Sequels FOX Shared Universe

[Hellion]

You could make the argument that the FF's were supposed to with that deleted scene with Reed's "shapeshifting" or whatever you'd like to call it...

...but alas, that was a deleted scene...

 

[Parker Wayne]

Spoiler

Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answers?

And yet X-Men Origins is being kept in even though everone clearly ignored that movie's existence since?

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

And yet X-Men Origins is being kept in even though everone clearly ignored that movie's existence since?

Every X-Men film has been erased from the Mutant Cinematic Universe continuity except X-Men: First Class & X-Men: DoFP.

The past: a new and uncertain world. A world of endless possibilities and infinite outcomes. Countless choices define our fate: each choice, each moment, a moment in the ripple of time. Enough ripple, and you change the tide... for the future is never truly set.

 

[DigificWriter]

Every X-Men film has been erased from the Mutant Cinematic Universe continuity except X-Men: First Class & X-Men: DoFP.

I disagree, and firmly believe that Singer clearly pulled a Star Trek '09/FRINGE Season 4 with DoFP, keeping all of the previous film's relevance intact while simultaneously creating a "blank slate" of sorts for the franchise going forward.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Even though I call X2 best X-Men film i have to agree with makeminesmarvel

Now as long as they don't ignore ending of DOFP the previous films can still be seen as carrying on from first leading into apocalypic future of DOFP even though there will always be contunity problems between FC and other films.But,retcon's Is X-Men tradation if you know comics.

 

[def28]

Retcons are gonna happen to anything that wasn't planned in advance.

X1-Origins were not planned to go into First Class. The move in DOFP was a smart one to save the franchise as well as be respectful to the older films. You can look at it any way you want. It's still connected, the changing of the past is literally part of the storyline. It's just not essential to future story telling.

I don't see the issue or why this is a constant debate.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

For me the only issue left to be resolved is how to bring in the Apocalypse cast into the crossover since they're back in the 80s and most of the other films in Phase II are set in present day.

FF, Deadpool, W3, FF2...all present day. Maybe the FF travel to a dimension where its the 90s, allowing the untitled 2018 X-Men film to do the usual ten year time leap forward as with DOFP & Apocalypse.

The trouble with that is that Deadpool would have to sit out the crossover.

Cool pic.

Why do you even care if FOX has a shared universe? What satisfaction do you get coming here saying things nobody cares about. Your just messing up our thread.

 

[DigificWriter]

Production-wise, Hugh Jackman's final Wolverine film is still being considered "Wolverine 3", and I firmly believe that he and Mangold will find a way to acknowledge what happened in The Wolverine even though its events happened before the timeline got changed.

I also firmly believe that DoFP itself clearly illustrates that the previous films still exist and still happened, but that, like Star Trek '09/FRINGE S4, the slate has been 'wiped clean', as it were, and we're now dealing with a parallel/alternate reality situation.

 

[def28]

Production-wise, Hugh Jackman's final Wolverine film is still being considered "Wolverine 3", and I firmly believe that he and Mangold will find a way to acknowledge what happened in The Wolverine even though its events happened before the timeline got changed.

I also firmly believe that DoFP itself clearly illustrates that the previous films still exist and still happened, but that, like Star Trek '09/FRINGE S4, the slate has been 'wiped clean', as it were, and we're now dealing with a parallel/alternate reality situation.

I hope The Wolverine does take note of previous stories. I really liked Yukio.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

I hope The Wolverine does take note of previous stories. I really liked Yukio.

She moved onto DC hopefully she comes back I love her

 

[Parker Wayne]

Every X-Men film has been erased from the Mutant Cinematic Universe continuity except X-Men: First Class & X-Men: DoFP.

X-Men Origins Wolverine was the only one erased from continuity before DOFP.

 

[Parker Wayne]

Why do you even care if FOX has a shared universe? What satisfaction do you get coming here saying things nobody cares about. Your just messing up our thread.

I agree with this.

All I've said, and will continue to say, is that the Fox shared universe ain't happening. That is not off-topic, or trolling, or anything problematic. The fact that someone with an opposing viewpoint is so unwelcome in these parts is astounding.

It is obviously problematic when the thread is about the discussion of one and you keep saying one won't happen.

 

[Picard Stewart]

I thought you don't try to pass your opinion off as a fact. And you wonder why X-Fans don't like you.

Why do you even care if FOX has a shared universe? What satisfaction do you get coming here saying things nobody cares about. Your just messing up our thread.

Let the guy hope. Hope and reality are two very different things.

When FF fares better with the critics than AOU his worst fears will be realized, and 90% of the SHH boards will be eating crow for years.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

X-Men Origins Wolverine was the only one erased from continuity before DOFP.

No it wasn't. There was footage from it in DOFP when Wolverine's mind is read, and in The Wolverine, you hear Wolverine breifly calling out for Kayla, mentally, when he's waking up in Viper's lab near the end.

Just because people didn't like XMO:W doesn't mean it didn't count. Likewise TLS. But y'all can rejoice anyway because now they are erased, just along with X1 and X2

 

[DigificWriter]

No it wasn't. There was footage from it in DOFP when Wolverine's mind is read, and in The Wolverine, you hear Wolverine breifly calling out for Kayla, mentally, when he's waking up in Viper's lab near the end.

Just because people didn't like XMO:W doesn't mean it didn't count. Likewise TLS. But y'all can rejoice anyway because now they are erased, just along with X1 and X2

No, they're not (erased). They still happened and still exist; all that Singer did with DoFP was to pull a Star Trek '09/FRINGE Season 4 and introduce us to an alternate timeline/universe that is built directly off of what came before, but with a 'clean slate' going forward.

 

[Flint Marko]

It is obviously problematic when the thread is about the discussion of one and you keep saying one won't happen.

I thought you don't try to pass your opinion off as a fact. And you wonder why X-Fans don't like you.

Why do you even care if FOX has a shared universe? What satisfaction do you get coming here saying things nobody cares about. Your just messing up our thread.

I fail to see how I'm messing up anything or being problematic. Go back and look at every post of mine and point me to where I have crossed the line. I have simply said that I don't think an FF/X-men crossover will happen nor do I see a reason that it should, and I've asked for some people to explain why they want one so bad. That's perfectly fine for me to say, this is a discussion based forum after all.
Here's something fun though, speaking of problematic behavior. I went back and found the first thing I posted in this thread, and look at how quickly someone tried to start a pissing contest.

The X-men and the FF teaming up makes no sense. There would be no real need for that movie, and Fox would not sully how good their X-men franchise is doing right now by bringing in the FFINO.

You MCU fans swarm anything that other people like that doesn't involve you.

Not being able to handle someone with an opposing view point or respond to them in a mature way is far more problematic then anything I've done here or elsewhere.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Hmmmmm continuing to call a movie we want to see "Fantastic Four in name only" really shows your not trying to start mess...

 

[Parker Wayne]

No it wasn't. There was footage from it in DOFP when Wolverine's mind is read, and in The Wolverine, you hear Wolverine breifly calling out for Kayla, mentally, when he's waking up in Viper's lab near the end.

Just because people didn't like XMO:W doesn't mean it didn't count. Likewise TLS. But y'all can rejoice anyway because now they are erased, just along with X1 and X2

I only thought it didn't count because of Emma Frost and other events not meshing up with the events of First Class, but with DOFP happening it's hard to say whether it did or not.

But like you said, it doesn't matter anymore because the events of everything up the First Class have been retconned.

 

[Sithborg]

Hmmmmm continuing to call a movie we want to see "Fantastic Four in name only" really shows your not trying to start mess...

And this is where some empathy is needed. I am not a fan of the FF, so the changes don't bother me. But, I do have the ability to understand where those that are upset with the changes are coming from. To them, this is FFINO. Which is fine. Different people have different markers to which they are looking for.

Besides, I'm not eager for a crossover, even if it was possible. The X-universe is large enough to sustain a universe themselves. And we are unsure just how the FF are going to turn out.

 

[Parker Wayne]

I think it's fine to you (and fine to me, personally as I never really grew up a fan of The Fantastic Four outside of Human Torch), but there are many posters in which it rubs the wrong way.

Hell, that mentality with the Fantastic Four movie is the reason why the Fantastic Four forums are unbearable right now.

 

[def28]

And this is where some empathy is needed. I am not a fan of the FF, so the changes don't bother me. But, I do have the ability to understand where those that are upset with the changes are coming from. To them, this is FFINO. Which is fine. Different people have different markers to which they are looking for.

Besides, I'm not eager for a crossover, even if it was possible. The X-universe is large enough to sustain a universe themselves. And we are unsure just how the FF are going to turn out.

Agreed. This should be more then obvious now with the X-franchise having 5 properties.

 

[Parker Wayne]

Yeah, I agree with that also.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

X-Men & Fantastic Four work wonderfully together.

Silver Surfer too

 

[Parker Wayne]

I think if they were to cross over, you could introduce some of the more cosmic X-Men ideas like the Shi'ar.

 

[Kermit_The_Frog]

And this is where some empathy is needed. I am not a fan of the FF, so the changes don't bother me. But, I do have the ability to understand where those that are upset with the changes are coming from. To them, this is FFINO. Which is fine. Different people have different markers to which they are looking for.

You see, I understand that and would be ok with all of it, except most of the arguments I hear mostly begin and end with "Marvel Studios isn't making it, so this is gonna suck" or "I hope this movie fails so Marvel can get back the rights and do it properly."

For the sake of argument, if this movie (same cast, same director, same tone, same etc.) was being released under Marvel Studios, I hardly doubt people would find this much fault with it like they're doing because it's being made by FOX.