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[Flint Marko]

Even if F4 doesn't do that well, it won't be because of closeness (or not) to the comic books.

Obviously, I never said otherwise. If the movie doesn't do that well, it'll probably be because of how tumultuous the production has been and an inability to overcome the overwhelmingly negative WOM on the project that has been building for the better part of the year. And with a significant portion of the fanbase not on board with the movie it could probably use all the help it could get.

The idea that the criticism directed towards FFINO is because of posters picking on poor widdle FOX is totally and laughably wrong. So why is it that FOX's recent X-Men films have been widely lauded by many of these same posters? And virtually everything that we've been seeing from Deadpool has been praised?

If Marvel Studios tried to pass off the joke known as FFINO as a proper interpretation of Marvel's First Family they would receive a similar amount of criticism from long time fans of the FF. But you know that already

Quote for truth. I've said more than enough great things about both DOFP and Deadpool, but it's funny how quickly that gets forgotten the second you criticize Fox for another completely unrelated production.

Strangely, I can handle an impenetrable wall of negativity over the random timeline/continuity discussions or OT actor whining.

Look, there is at least one poster in the FF forums that is just pure MCU fanboy. But, he also has his mirror counterpart. The vast majority have legitimate criticisms. You just have to not take it personally. I mean, I'm interested in the movie, but I have to acknowledge the Doom as a blogger jokes just write themselves.

No one here should take it personally, yet unfortunately we have folks around here who can't handle any criticisms or differing view points without getting petty:

I started reading your post and began seeing a genuinely unbiased opinion - until I arrived at the above statement.

You're exactly the type of poster that makes those FF forums unbearable and hopefully the film's success can disarm you and the rest of the rabid Disney fandom that's so prevalent here in SHH.

Originally I wanted Trank's FF to succeed because I'm a UFF fan and I like everyone involved with the project, starting with Trank. Now I want it to succeed for both the above and to vanquish the internet monstrosity that is the Disney fan's vendetta against Fox's UFF adaptation.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

I hope we get a Starjammers movie down the line. They'll be this franchise's GOTG.

Another villain group X-Men & Fantastic Four have in common

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[MakeMinesMarvel]

I always liked the art on the 98 Annual

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[Picard Stewart]

Obviously, I never said otherwise. If the movie doesn't do that well, it'll probably be because of how tumultuous the production has been and an inability to overcome the overwhelmingly negative WOM on the project that has been building for the better part of the year. And with a significant portion of the fanbase not on board with the movie it could probably use all the help it could get.



Quote for truth. I've said more than enough great things about both DOFP and Deadpool, but it's funny how quickly that gets forgotten the second you criticize Fox for another completely unrelated production. No one here should take it personally, yet unfortunately we have folks around here who can't handle any criticisms or differing view points without getting petty:

Its not personal. Its annoying when people attack a movie they haven't seen and insult those of us who wanna see it with garbage like "FFINO" or "The FF are wearing garbage bags, yadda yadda..."

All you do is annoy. You've pretty much ruined the FF forums with the anti-Fox agenda you've subscribed to for whatever nonsensical misplaced allegiance to Disney.

Anyway, come August, all those ridiculous statements of hate directed at Trank's FF will be nothing more than wasted time when "FFINO" outdoes AOU (Avengers: Age of Ultron-in-name-only) critically.

 

[Picard Stewart]

Another villain group X-Men & Fantastic Four have in common

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Would calling the crossover X4 be confusing?

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Sounds like a nice movie but I'm bias

The X-Men and the Fantastic Four team up in this heart-pounding adventure! Can the two teams put their differences aside to stop a creeping menace from outer space that threatens our planet's very existence? Even as the heroes trek into the stars, the real threat to their mission might just be among themselves! It's the X-Men and Fantastic Four versus... the X-Men and Fantastic Four?! An unexpected adversary turns Marvel's two greatest hero families against one another.

 

[Picard Stewart]

Would calling the crossover X4 be confusing?

It's funny you bring that up. I was looking at this yesterday and noticed something.

1. First Class (2011)
2. Days of Future Past (2014)
3. Apocalypse (2016)
4. Untitled (2018)

Coincidence or revelation?

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[psylockolussus]

Oh dear studio wars again.

Fox will be fine with the latest Fantastic Four film and it will be the surprise hit of the year, both in Rotten Tomatoes and box-office performance.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Given how much (some) people want it to and expect it to fail, anything above failure would be a blow to them. So a small profit and a non-rotten rating would be enough reduce them to tears.

I reckon it'll be above 60% RT minimum. I doubt the box office will be anything to write home about but it'll be enough to greenlight the sequel

And this is where some empathy is needed. I am not a fan of the FF, so the changes don't bother me. But, I do have the ability to understand where those that are upset with the changes are coming from. To them, this is FFINO. Which is fine. Different people have different markers to which they are looking for.

Thing is calling it FFINO is stating that it's factually not like any FF, which just isn't true.
A more accurate term would be "Its not like MY FF" as that explains the dislike but doesn't dismiss that this is FF, just an adaption of one of the many official versions out there all of which are valid.

You see, I understand that and would be ok with all of it, except most of the arguments I hear mostly begin and end with "Marvel Studios isn't making it, so this is gonna suck" or "I hope this movie fails so Marvel can get back the rights and do it properly."

For the sake of argument, if this movie (same cast, same director, same tone, same etc.) was being released under Marvel Studios, I hardly doubt people would find this much fault with it like they're doing because it's being made by FOX.

Its not personal. Its annoying when people attack a movie they haven't seen and insult those of us who wanna see it with garbage like "FFINO" or "The FF are wearing garbage bags, yadda yadda..."

All you do is annoy. You've pretty much ruined the FF forums with the anti-Fox agenda you've subscribed to for whatever nonsensical misplaced allegiance to Disney.

Anyway, come August, all those ridiculous statements of hate directed at Trank's FF will be nothing more than wasted time when "FFINO" outdoes AOU (Avengers: Age of Ultron-in-name-only) critically.

Interesting how AOU isnt referred as AOUINO when it's not based on that comic at all and is by definition "in name only"

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

X-Men & Fantastic Four are always drawn beautifully together

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[marvelrobbins]

Given how much (some) people want it to and expect it to fail, anything above failure is a blow to them. So a small profit and a non-rotten rating would be enough reduce them to tears.

I reckon it'll be above 60% RT minimum

The first Amazing Spider-man sits at 72% on rt and Superman Returns sits at 76% on RT.Iron Man 2 which was heavily critzed as being nothing more than a
advesment for avengers sits at 73%.I say with track record of those Involved if final film looks as good as trailers FF will be in 70's at least.

People forget Josh Trank was very much in demand after Chronicle.A film with a 85% rating on RT.I have seen chronicle and desperate what haters say FF looks nothing like it.I have no idea of what's the truth with how Trank Is In real life.

Any critism leveled at any MCU film is mild compared to what people level at X-men films but even more to FF.The new terminator film doesn't have hate leveled at it that FF does.The FFINO and fox track record doesn't hold water.They are excuses.Trailer clearly shows Doom is more than blogger and leaked set pics isn't his final look.

Being based on UFF is based on comics.It's just not the ones you prefer.I could say same with The ultimates elements In MCU.Trying to bring up the story films is fail.They have as much in common with this film as new X-Men films do with last stand and Origins.

The haters love to bring up the "grounded" comment and Kate Mara saying she was told she was told not to read comics ignoring simon Kinberg saying film is based on varioys comics and that was because there wasn't one practully run.The trailer makes it clear others comments have been overblown.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Ultimate versions crossover as well

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

These characters cross over very easily

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[Zarex]

Interesting how AOU isnt referred as AOUINO when it's not based on that comic at all and is by definition "in name only"

We don't call it AOUINO for the same reason we don't call X Men: First Class XM:FCINO. Age of Ultron may have virtually nothing in common with the comic book story line, but the Avengers TEAM was recognizable to anyone that had ever picked up a comic book. First Class may have featured an different line up from the comic book First Class, but a team with Banshee, Havok, Beast and Professor X in yellow and blue costumes screams X-Men.

The team Trank and Kinberg have put together does not resemble any version of the FF ever. It has earned the title FFINO. If you want to have a further discussion, feel free to join me on the FF board.

 

[X-Maniac]

Obviously, I never said otherwise. If the movie doesn't do that well, it'll probably be because of how tumultuous the production has been and an inability to overcome the overwhelmingly negative WOM on the project that has been building for the better part of the year. And with a significant portion of the fanbase not on board with the movie it could probably use all the help it could get

No, it will have nothing to do with what happened during production or with the WOM. Those mean nothing to the ordinary people who account for most of a film's audience. Those people don't spend every waking hour on film blogs and forums.

The F4 movie has to appeal to a wide, mainstream audience. Clearly it has to resemble the source material in many ways, but Marvel's own deviations with Mandarin, creation of Ultron, origins of Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver, the powers of Scarlet Witch, show that getting every detail replicated from the comics pages isn't crucial. I hated the changes to Mandarin, the general audience didn't give a flying fig about that.

The only negative I've heard from a casual filmgoer is asking why the F4 are being rebooted - which clearly means the earlier films are remembered more fondly than the fans want to believe. (How cool would it have been if the earlier cast had been in the future of DoFP, though it would never have happened with Chris now playing Captain America and a reboot in the pipeline).

My only worry is that F4 will resemble the earlier film too much with showing the origins of the team + battle with Dr Doom. I hope they bring enough to the table that's new. Not sure the introduction of the Negative Zone will be enough for the GA to be excited.

In my view, F4 doesn't have as rich a mythology as the X-Men and is far more dated and rooted in campy 50s/60s sci-fi, so I'm wondering where they will take the series next. I'm hoping the film works, and works well, so that the new cast can meet the new X-Men cast at some point, with Singer somehow involved.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

so I'm wondering where they will take the series next.

 

[X-Maniac]

The team Trank and Kinberg have put together does not resemble any version of the FF ever.

This is nonsense. The four team members are all present and correct, Sue with her forcefields and invisibility, Thing with his rock body, etc.

Yes, Johnny Storm is black this time, but the GA won't really care about that if he embodies the character. Doom has a surname that isn't so obviously one of those comic book names-that's-obviously-like-the-codename thing, though it's the one thing that's a bit odd to me (though not that much more than Gotham changing Oswald Cobblepot to Kapelput).

Whether it will be a well-made, successful film is what matters.

I don't see where they've messed up with the characters. I'm still giving it a chance.

 

[Zarex]

This is nonsense. The four team members are all present and correct, Sue with her forcefields and invisibility, Thing with his rock body, etc.

Yes, Johnny Storm is black this time, but the GA won't really care about that if he embodies the character. Doom has a surname that isn't so obviously one of those comic book names-that's-obviously-like-the-codename thing, though it's the one thing that's a bit odd to me (though not that much more than Gotham changing Oswald Cobblepot to Kapelput).

Whether it will be a well-made, successful film is what matters.

I don't see where they've messed up with the characters. I'm still giving it a chance.

Putting an FF team onscreen in which Johnny, Reed and Ben are all the same age is enough to render the Trank version FFINO in my opinion. Your mileage may vary. I don't want to further hijack this crossover fantasy thread, but I'll be available to further discuss Trank's "contemporary reimaginging" on the FF boards.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

I don't want to further hijack this crossover thread

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[marvelrobbins]

The ages in UFF are much closer than FF.Besides ages in all comic book adaptians often very.

The Idea GA won't be Intrested in FF has no realvence in reality.The 2005 FF made more money domesticly than first class did with only 27% on RT and rise
of silver surfer made almost as much money domesticly than the wolverine did with 37% on RT.Imagine what a good FF film could do.

 

[Flint Marko]

No, it will have nothing to do with what happened during production or with the WOM. Those mean nothing to the ordinary people who account for most of a film's audience. Those people don't spend every waking hour on film blogs and forums.

My basic point was that if it ends up being an awful movie, it will probably be due to the multiple issues faced during the production. When the studio itself admits that "there were some bumps in the road" that doesn't exactly seem like a reassuring sign.

The F4 movie has to appeal to a wide, mainstream audience. Clearly it has to resemble the source material in many ways, but Marvel's own deviations with Mandarin, creation of Ultron, origins of Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver, the powers of Scarlet Witch, show that getting every detail replicated from the comics pages isn't crucial. I hated the changes to Mandarin, the general audience didn't give a flying fig about that.

Those changes are not comparable to completely revamping almost everything about the F4. They're all the same age, Doom is a blogger, Johnny and Sue are no longer related, etc. Any one of those things amount to bigger fundamental changes to Marvel's first family than changing around a C-lister like the Mandarin.

Its not personal. Its annoying when people attack a movie they haven't seen and insult those of us who wanna see it with garbage like "FFINO" or "The FF are wearing garbage bags, yadda yadda..."

All you do is annoy. You've pretty much ruined the FF forums with the anti-Fox agenda you've subscribed to for whatever nonsensical misplaced allegiance to Disney.

Anyway, come August, all those ridiculous statements of hate directed at Trank's FF will be nothing more than wasted time when "FFINO" outdoes AOU (Avengers: Age of Ultron-in-name-only) critically.

You need to get thicker skin if "FFINO" honestly annoys you that much. That isn't insulting to people looking forward to it, it's a commentary on how little the film resembles the source material and like it or not it's a fair accusation.

Given how much (some) people want it to and expect it to fail, anything above failure would be a blow to them. So a small profit and a non-rotten rating would be enough reduce them to tears.

FFINO could gross a billion dollars and get a 10000% on RT, wouldn't affect my day in the slightest. I still stand by my prediction that it'll be a modest hit.

Interesting how AOU isnt referred as AOUINO when it's not based on that comic at all and is by definition "in name only"

....Wow.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

FoX really has all the cool interesting characters they need to introduce The Watcher

 

[Sithborg]

All the images and gifs are getting really annoying. They don't help your arguements nearly as much as you think they do.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

My basic point was that blah blah blah blah blah

We're trying to move on to other topics