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[MakeMinesMarvel]

All the images and gifs are getting really annoying. They don't help your arguements nearly as much as you think they do.

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[CyclopsWasRight]

This is nonsense. The four team members are all present and correct, Sue with her forcefields and invisibility, Thing with his rock body, etc.

Exactly. Saying this looks nothing like FF is like saying Avengers is nothing like Avengers since Thor doesn't have a helmet, Hawkeye isn't wearing pirate boots, Ant-Man wasn't a founder and Nick Fury is a different race.

Detailed are different, like with all comic book adaptions but the core is there.

No, it will have nothing to do with what happened during production or with the WOM. Those mean nothing to the ordinary people who account for most of a film's audience. Those people don't spend every waking hour on film blogs and forums.

The F4 movie has to appeal to a wide, mainstream audience. Clearly it has to resemble the source material in many ways, but Marvel's own deviations with Mandarin, creation of Ultron, origins of Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver, the powers of Scarlet Witch, show that getting every detail replicated from the comics pages isn't crucial. I hated the changes to Mandarin, the general audience didn't give a flying fig about that.

The only negative I've heard from a casual filmgoer is asking why the F4 are being rebooted - which clearly means the earlier films are remembered more fondly than the fans want to believe. (How cool would it have been if the earlier cast had been in the future of DoFP, though it would never have happened with Chris now playing Captain America and a reboot in the pipeline).

My only worry is that F4 will resemble the earlier film too much with showing the origins of the team + battle with Dr Doom. I hope they bring enough to the table that's new. Not sure the introduction of the Negative Zone will be enough for the GA to be excited.

In my view, F4 doesn't have as rich a mythology as the X-Men and is far more dated and rooted in campy 50s/60s sci-fi, so I'm wondering where they will take the series next. I'm hoping the film works, and works well, so that the new cast can meet the new X-Men cast at some point, with Singer somehow involved.

"Why is it being rebooted" is a comment I've heard a few times from GA.

These characters cross over very easily

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The Richards kids would be a great Segway into a crossover. The X-Men could come to discuss Franklins power level readings and the Four could take it as threat to the boy, them coming to take him away for example. Some X-Men could claim that he needs to be trained to control his abilities with them with Reed and co saying they'll manage it and a clash could occur.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Putting an FF team onscreen in which Johnny, Reed and Ben are all the same age is enough to render the Trank version FFINO in my opinion. Your mileage may vary. I don't want to further hijack this crossover fantasy thread, but I'll be available to further discuss Trank's "contemporary reimaginging" on the FF boards.

I have no horse in this race (not really interested in F4, I'll probably still see it as I watch all Marvel movies on the big screen; I missed the first Cap as I was travelling) but if the ages of Johnny, Reed and Ben is "enough to render this film FFINO" then those same changes in X-men (Psylocke, Gambit older than Storm, Scott and Jean; Jubilee the same age as the latter) must earn the movie XMINO?

 

[Zarex]

I have no horse in this race (not really interested in F4, I'll probably still see it as I watch all Marvel movies on the big screen; I missed the first Cap as I was travelling) but if the ages of Johnny, Reed and Ben is "enough to render this film FFINO" then those same changes in X-men (Psylocke, Gambit older than Storm, Scott and Jean; Jubilee the same age as the latter) must earn the movie XMINO?

Not at all. The relationship among the four characters are an enormous component of Marvel's First Family, and turning Johnny into a peer of Ben and Reed needlessly kills the big/little brother and surrogate father/son dynamic that has existed in every version of the FF ever. All in order for Trank to shoehorn a pal into a role in which he simply doesn't fit.

I don't find age adjustments nearly as important as it relates to the X-Men. Or the Avengers, for that matter. For one, their rosters are much more fluid, and the relationships in the other two teams are much closer to that of friends or work colleagues than family. I don't find the personal relationships between the X-Men (or Avengers) characters anywhere near as vital to the story as they are to the FF.

 

[Parker Wayne]

We're trying to move on to other topics

Too bad this thread became the official "Will Fantastic Four suck?" thread.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Ok so about Colossus in Deadpool... if Professor X sends him to talk to Deadpool do you think we'll finally get a red/yellow outfit and what kinda X-Men jokes are you expecting?

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Hope he's more than just just a one-scene cameo. They haven't cast an actor yet and the one known scene he's in is in the can.

I have no horse in this race (not really interested in F4, I'll probably still see it as I watch all Marvel movies on the big screen; I missed the first Cap as I was travelling) but if the ages of Johnny, Reed and Ben is "enough to render this film FFINO" then those same changes in X-men (Psylocke, Gambit older than Storm, Scott and Jean; Jubilee the same age as the latter) must earn the movie XMINO?

And considering Hank Pyms age. AMINO

 

[GuestStar2004]

Presumably colossus is an all CGI character whenever he is on screen, given he is fully mo cap any clothes he is wearing will be CGI made

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

The Savage Land debuted in X-Men #10 but Kazar/Sabu were a little older does anyone know if they're FoX characters or Disney?

Savage Land could play into a FOX Secret Invasion story if they wanted.

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[Zarex]

The Savage Land debuted in X-Men #10 but Kazar/Sabu were a little older does anyone know if they're FoX characters or Disney?

Savage Land could play into a FOX Secret Invasion story if they wanted.

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The Savage Land is at Marvel Studios. Included in the Sony leaks was a discussion in which Drew Goddard was pushing to use a Dinosaur Island in the Sinister Six movie, but execs at the studio were concerned Ike Perlmutter would lose his sh** if they used something so similar to TSL. With the two studios now working in concert I wouldn't be surprised if Spidey visits the TSL in his animated film.

The Savage Land is probably similar to the situation with Big Hero 6 (Marvel has the name but FOX has Sunfire and Silver Samurai) and Alpha Flight (Marvel filed for trademark protection on the name, but the Hudsons and perhaps a few more team members are at FOX). My guess is Ka-Zar and Zabu are at Marvel and Sauron is at FOX.

 

[Orba]

In the Sony Hack emails Sony said that Marvel held the rights for the Savage Land. Apparently Drew Goddard wanted to have an island in his Sinister Six film that would have been an awful lot like the Savage Land and it was making the Sony lawyers nervous.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

The Savage Land debuted in X-Men #10 but Kazar/Sabu were a little older does anyone know if they're FoX characters or Disney?

Savage Land could play into a FOX Secret Invasion story if they wanted.

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From the Marvel Studios Wikipedia article:

In April 2010, rumors circulated that Marvel was looking to create $20–40 million movies based on properties such as Doctor Strange, Ka-Zar, Luke Cage, Dazzler, and Power Pack.[53] Kevin Feige responded by saying, while budgets are generally never discussed early in development, Marvel was considering films for all characters mentioned in the rumor, except Dazzler, whose rights were at Fox.[54]

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Ok so no Savage Land :-( ....

 

[Lip]

Does Fox hold the rights of Captain Britain?

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Hopefully they do but maybe they just can't use the code name. I'd love to see him in this universe

 

[Orba]

Does Fox hold the rights of Captain Britain?

No-one is really sure, my leaning is that he is probably with Marvel. Excalibur is an X-Men spinoff which probably puts it with the X-Men rights (unless the rights contract specifies otherwise) but Captain Britain predates Excalibur when he had his own comics with Marvel UK. Also he is not a Mutant which would have again put him with the X-Men rights.

But the whole rights thing tends to be very hazy with lots of guessing until someone in authority makes a statement about it.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Would be cool to see a British hero in Britain

 

[Orba]

Just thought of another thing about the Captain Britain rights, AoS has the character of Lance Hunter who's origin and much of his early appearances were in Captain Britain Weekly.

 

[kevork89]

Yeah I would think he is with Marvel. His one main connection to X-Men was his sister Betsy.

 

[Lip]

A few years ago I'd say Wanda and Pietro were with Fox.

I mean, if Marvel can use the twins because they hold the rights of Avengers, Fox could use Captain Britain because they hold the rights of Excalibur, right? Isn't it the same with Alpha Flight? Couldn't Fox use the non-mutant characters of the team?

Does anybody else know what franchise/characters/teams might be in some sort of limbo between Fox and Marvel?

 

[Orba]

A few years ago I'd say Wanda and Pietro were with Fox.

I mean, if Marvel can use the twins because they hold the rights of Avengers, Fox could use Captain Britain because they hold the rights of Excalibur, right? Isn't it the same with Alpha Flight? Couldn't Fox use the non-mutant characters of the team?

Does anybody else know what franchise/characters/teams might be in some sort of limbo between Fox and Marvel?

The only other characters that jump to mind are the Skrulls, apparently both Marvel and Fox share the characters but Fox have the rights to the Super Skrulls.

As I understand it the reason Marvel still are able to use the twins is that Marvel had clauses included in the rights agreement that specifically allowed them to use the characters even though they were also a part of the X-Men rights. If that is the case then it seems that when it comes to rights small appearances in their origins don't have much impact on who owns the rights (like Wolverine in Hulk, Sabretooth in Ironfist, or Rogue in Avengers) but if they had a few appearances then they are separate unless the rights contract specified. Like with the twins appearances in X-Men before moving to Avengers for the next few decades.

So with Captain Britain he existed separate from X-Men characters for over 10 years and even had his own comic. All that could solidify him as separate set of rights.

 

[Eddie]

A few years ago I'd say Wanda and Pietro were with Fox.

I mean, if Marvel can use the twins because they hold the rights of Avengers, Fox could use Captain Britain because they hold the rights of Excalibur, right? Isn't it the same with Alpha Flight? Couldn't Fox use the non-mutant characters of the team?

Does anybody else know what franchise/characters/teams might be in some sort of limbo between Fox and Marvel?

Nobody knows for sure, but a few potential candidates are:

Alpha Flight (Marvel/Disney has Big Hero 6, which ties into the team, and they referenced Department H on AoS)
Sauron/Mutates (Marvel has the Savage Land, so these characters could have been excluded, similar to the Kree being excluded from the FF package)
SWORD (premiered in X-Men, but there's a background Easter Egg in AoS)
Animal versions of characters from alternate universes (Sony couldn't use Spider-Ham despite having access to some AU Spideys)

Again, these are just a few possibilities, nothing hard. It's also worth noting that a ton of really obscure minor characters could be "frozen", ala Hypno-Hustler and Santa Claus Burglar with the Spidey deal.

 

[Orba]

Actually another character that seems a bit hazy is Viper (who appeared in The Wolverine), Fox have the character of Viper but you have to assume that Marvel retain the character Madam Hydra (even though they are the same person).

 

[Eddie]

That one was super weird. There's actually an interview with Hugh Jackman where he claims that Marvel and Fox were talking with each other quite a bit during the production of The Wolverine. It's possible some sort of compromise was made in regards to Viper.

 

[Sullstar]

I wouldn't be surprised if the studios didn't even know who owns Captain Britain