Fox vs. Sony - who is worse?

[Filmfreak]

Bleh. Hahahah Have you seen the new FF Film? That destroys your argument entirely.

No I haven't and it doesn't.
But I'm pretty sure it's absolutely terrible, that's why I didn't exclude it in my assessment. Even if I end up not hating it which I doubt it, everyone else does so it can definitely be considered a royal flop. And there is no excuse in failing miserably for the third time with the general consensus. They just don't know what to do with the franchise, it's obvious. And that's coming from someone who wasn't particularly negative on the reboot since day one.

I'm just saying that ever since Rothman left they're in a very good place with the X-Men movies and seem to have learned from past mistakes while at the same time adapt into the new age of comic book movies. You can see that not just in the better quality of their movies but in how they become more comic accurate, compared to previous ones at least. They listen to what fans want a lot more so than they did in the past. I'm sure that the latest FF movie and hopefully the last attempt by Fox was just a stumble that doesn't represent the state the studio is currently. But we shall see.

Also I completely agree with what other users have said above about Fox and possibly even Sony's track record compared to the MCU. The MCU is more consistent in quality and their worst is better than the other two studios' but at the same time their best isn't. I can think of at least 2 or 3 Fox movies and a Sony one that are better than anything the MCU has released so far cinematically. Except for Netflix's DD maybe. That doesn't erase all the bad ones of course, it's not black and white. I don't understand why some people see it that way.

 

[TheSpectacular]

The way I see it

Sony: 3 Good Spidey films, 2 meh to mediocre Spidey films

Fox: 2 Good X-Men Films, the rest

 

[Thoix]

Fox

• Daredevil: 0/1
• Elektra: 0/1
• Fantastic Four: 0/3
• Kingsman: 1/1
• X-Men: 5/7

Overall: 6/13


Sony

• Ghost Rider: 0/2
• Men in Black: 2/3
• Spider-Man: 3/5

Overall: 5/10


WORST OFFENDER: FOX

Sony has the better track record, but I do prefer Fox over Sony in terms of the last few years.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Strangely, the fan community is convinced that Marvel Studios is the only one that "counts." Even though they have not made a movie as good as Spider-Man 2...or even X-Men: First Class (in my opinion), never mind The Dark Knight, Batman Begins or Superman: The Movie.

But yes, there is a huge portion of Marvel fans that think everything else is inferior simply because it wasn't made by Marvel Studios.

...with that said, Marvel Studios has far more consistency than the other studios. It does not hit the highs of The Dark Knight and Spider-Man 2, but it also avoids the lows of Batman & Robin and The Amazing Spider-Man 2. They are consistently average. For many fans though that is more than enough, because you know you will not get one outright awful movie.

Guess you haven't seen Iron Man, Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, or Captain America: Winter Soldier?

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To answer the original question, Fox is worse

Those are easily put alongside the likes of the Dark Knight and Spider-Man 2. The critics, fans and most important the GA agree.

 

[DACrowe]

Guess you haven't seen Iron Man, Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, or Captain America: Winter Soldier?

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To answer the original question, Fox is worse

Those are easily put alongside the likes of the Dark Knight and Spider-Man 2. The critics, fans and most important the GA agree.

I've seen them all. Loved Avengers and Guardians too.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I don't see many posts about that Fox should give up the X-Men rights at all. I'd even call it downright rare with the amount of people I see posting their opinions. I see lots of praise for the X-Men franchise though, with the exception for the movies that are generally panned. If a huge part of the Marvel fanbase had that opinion I'd expect to see posts about it all the time..

It lessened a lot since X-Men Days of Future Past. But before that was much more frequent

Fox

• Daredevil: 0/1
• Elektra: 0/1
• Fantastic Four: 0/3
• Kingsman: 1/1
• X-Men: 5/7

Overall: 6/13


Sony

• Ghost Rider: 0/2
• Men in Black: 2/3
• Spider-Man: 3/5

Overall: 5/10


WORST OFFENDER: FOX

Sony has the better track record, but I do prefer Fox over Sony in terms of the last few years.

This is a good overview of the overall track record.

For recent output (last five movies), which is more indicative of current practice IMO:

Fox

• Fantastic Four: 0/1
• Kingsman: 1/1
• X-Men: 3/3

Overall: 4/5

Sony

• Ghost Rider: 0/1
• Men in Black: 1/1
• Spider-Man: 1/3

Overall: 2/5

 

[Thoix]

It lessened a lot since X-Men Days of Future Past. But before that was much more frequent



This is a good overview of the overall track record.

For recent output (last five movies), which is more indicative of current practice IMO:

Fox

• Fantastic Four: 0/1
• Kingsman: 1/1
• X-Men: 3/3

Overall: 4/5

Sony

• Ghost Rider: 0/1
• Men in Black: 1/1
• Spider-Man: 1/3

Overall: 2/5

I think this is a good overview of their recent track records.

Even though Fox certainly dropped the ball with Fantastic Four, I can't see them failing with their next big three movies: Deadpool, X-Men: Apocalypse, and Wolverine 3. Meanwhile, I'm not really sure what Sony is up to.

 

[Green Goblin]

Wonder how the poll would look after the marvel deal and fant4stic.

 

[Flint Marko]

It lessened a lot since X-Men Days of Future Past. But before that was much more frequent



This is a good overview of the overall track record.

For recent output (last five movies), which is more indicative of current practice IMO:

Fox

• Fantastic Four: 0/1
• Kingsman: 1/1
• X-Men: 3/3

Overall: 4/5

Sony

• Ghost Rider: 0/1
• Men in Black: 1/1
• Spider-Man: 1/3

Overall: 2/5

So a spider-man movie from 2007 is going to be counted, but an X-men movie from 2009 is not? I guess Origins never happened.
Also, again, you've argued countless times that the ASM franchise should have continued. It's odd that you're now counting them as failures when you were so quick to defend them previously.

 

[TeeKay]

Flint I'll repost this here..
So I decided to finish watching the FF film this morning after having not be able to sit through all of it yesterday. **** that, the last 10 minutes of this film is absolutely. Doom shows up and gets defeated in less than 10 minutes. Bleh.

Okay fair enough. Trank wanted to "reinvent" the franchise. How about making a good movie first and foremost? If you can't even tell a proper good story with a cohesive screenplay and characters, how do you expect to adapt the FF. Like Ben and Sue share no dialogue in this film yet there on the the same team. I was damn speechless at that point.

I've always said, I'll put a good story first before anything else when adapting these CBM properties. Surely, I thought we had moved on from the bad cbms. Heck Green Lantern is a masterpiece compared to this. Fox has managed to make the worst CBM of all time post 2008.

The FF are really beyond repair at this point. This is no longer about Marvel getting the film rights back. I just want this franchise to be put on shelf for a few years. Horrible. I mean we literally live in a world where Ant-Man, fricken Ant-Man makes more money than this? GotG? Should I say more? This movie broke me.

 

[starscream22]

I selected both!

I was willing to give ASM2 a chance and Sony blew it. But despite all the success that last Fox-men movie got for erasing like 80% of its continuity they turn around and treat F4's reboot like they did Elektra.

Until those 3 franches have reverted they are NOT considered Marvel films to me PERIOD!

Amen!

1 down (kinda) and 2 to go!

 

[Tony Stark]

Fox easily. Sony produced the Raimi Spider-man films the 2nd of which is considered one of the best, if not the best superhero films of all time.

Fox produced 3 good X-men films (not great or game changing), two ****ty ones and two OK ones.

They both have produced some of the worst comic book movies of all time between Daredevil and Ghost Rider, but Fox takes the cake producing the worst CBM of all time in Tranktastic Four.

 

[Iceman]

The recent F4 could have a big impact on this thread. t:

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Sony
Spider-Man - 3/5
Spider-Man 2 - 4/5
Spider-Man 3 - 2/5
Amazing Spider-Man - 4/5
Amazing Spider-Man 2 - 3/5
Ghost Rider - 1/5
Ghost Rider 2 - 1/5

20/35 (2 bonus points for playing ball with Marvel)
57% positive

Fox
Fantastic Four - 1/5
Fantastic Four 2 - 1/5
Fantastic 4 (2015) - 2/5
Daredevil - 2/5
Elektra - 1/5
X-Men - 3/5
X-Men 2 - 4/5
X-Men 3 - 2/5
X-Men FC - 4/5
X-Men DoFP - 5/5
Wolverine: Origins - 1/5
Wolverine - 3/5

30/60 (bonus point for having more attempts overall)
50% positive

Fox is worse, but not by much.


Marvel/Disney [For fun]
Iron Man - 5/5
Iron Man 2 - 4/5
Iron Man 3 - 4/5
Thor - 3/5
Thor: TDW - 4/5
Cap: TFA - 4/5
Cap: TWS - 5/5
Avengers - 5/5
Avengers 2 - 5/5
Incredible Hulk - 5/5
GotG - 5/5
Ant Man - 4/5
Daredevil - 5/5
Agents of SHIELD - 2/5
Agent Carter - 3/5

65/75 (2 bonus points for one-shots, tie-in comics, post-credit scenes, stan lee cameos, easter eggs, phase 3 prospects, howard the duck and just being Marvel)
87% positive

 

[Greens]

Thor: TDW - 4/5
Incredible Hulk - 5/5

Huh?

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Huh?

4 is the number that follows 3.
5 is one larger than 4.

Do you still need help?

 

[spider-neil]

Fox is worse. Nothing Sony has produced comes CLOSE to the ****fest that is Fant4stic Four. That movie is the worse superhero movie I have ever seen and I've seen Batman and Robin.

 

[Greens]

4 is the number that follows 3.
5 is one larger than 4.

Do you still need help?

No, that's okay. Thanks.

 

[Wraith]

Fox might be worse overall. It may seem like Sony is worse because of how often they screw up a big character like Spiderman but if you count all of Fox's screwups with the F4 and others over the years they're way worse.

 

[lordofthenerds]

I'll do my ratings in the same style as pr0xyt0xin (because I liked his style)...

Sony
Spider-Man - 4/5
Spider-Man 2 - 5/5
Spider-Man 3 - 2/5
Amazing Spider-Man - 4/5
Amazing Spider-Man 2 - 2/5
Ghost Rider - 1/5
Ghost Rider 2 - 1/5
19/35
54%

Fox
Fantastic Four - 2/5
Fantastic Four 2 - 1/5
Fantastic Four (2015) - 1/5
Daredevil - 2/5
Elektra - 1/5
X-Men - 4/5
X-Men 2 - 5/5
X-Men 3 - 2/5
X-Men FC - 3/5
X-Men DoFP - 5/5
Wolverine: Origins - 1/5
Wolverine - 3/5
30/60
50%

Marvel/Disney (only counting movies)
Iron Man - 5/5
Iron Man 2 - 3/5
Iron Man 3 - 4/5
Thor - 4/5
Thor: TDW - 2/5
Cap: TFA - 4/5
Cap: TWS - 5/5
Avengers - 4/5
Avengers 2 - 4/5
Incredible Hulk - 3/5
GotG - 5/5
Ant Man - 3/5
46/60
77%

 

[Blind_Lawyer]

Huh?

I didn't mind Thor: Dark World. But to rate Incredible Hulk as perfect is blowing my mind too.

Ah well, to each their own.

 

[KingCheops]

Fox is worse. Nothing Sony has produced comes CLOSE to the ****fest that is Fant4stic Four. That movie is the worse superhero movie I have ever seen and I've seen Batman and Robin.

That's when you know you hit rock bottom.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I didn't mind Thor: Dark World. But to rate Incredible Hulk as perfect is blowing my mind too.

Ah well, to each their own.

I did a little rounding. TIH was like a 9/10 to me. Great movie. One of my favorites. But i also rounded Thor and AoS down so it evens out.

 

[Blind_Lawyer]

I did a little rounding. TIH was like a 9/10 to me. Great movie. One of my favorites. But i also rounded Thor and AoS down so it evens out.

Wow. I don't think I ever met anyone who really liked that movie. But I like Agents of SHIELD. So, we're even.

Of course, I've only seen one and half seasons. It may to got hell after that. I don't know. But I keep waiting for it to suck based on popular reactions.

 

[Spiderine]

Sony actually believed they were making good Spidey films. They expected ASM2 to be a billion dollar flick. They seriously believed that ****.

FOX knew all along F4F was going to be a turd pop. Nothing but a cheap rights grab. They didn't respect the property anymore than Sony respected GR. In the end Sony wised up and came crawling to Marvel but they are down to only one hero.

FOX will milk its Xmen to death but if they do what should be expected with the FF franchise all is forgiven from me. Do whats right morons.