Fox vs. Sony - who is worse?

[First Avenger]

They thought they did. They had faith in Trank to provide a better movie then late into the production it seemed that wasn't happening.

It was misplaced trust, an error on their part but that has no correlation on whether a F4 movie should or should not have been made in the first place.

Their goal with the reboot was to create a sustainable F4 franchise. They failed. But that doesn't mean they as a business shouldn't have tried.

The property holds value and in a current marketplace supporting the subject matter there was no reason not to try and kickstart a franchise.

Making a movie to start an ongoing franchise and failing is still a better business move than letting the property out of their hands for nothing.

In risk vs reward terms the latter would net them $0 whereas the former could lose them some money or gain them a lot down the road.

They lost money, not a ton due to conservative budgeting but still lost money, but if the gamble had paid off they'd have made a lot more than the $0 for not utilising the property at all.

In the end the risk of making the movie was more economically sound than not and losing the potential income from it.

You don't follow the news,do you?

 

[TeeKay]

You don't follow the news,do you?

Oh he does. He doesn't care and ignores facts.

 

[Flint Marko]

So from what we've just been told:

There's no pettiness or hostility from Fox's end.

It's also a poor business move to let a property out of their hands for nothing.

They let Daredevil out of their hands for nothing. Marvel, if you recall, offered them an extension on the rights in favor of letting two characters that Fox will never use again come back home. Fox rejected the deal, and Daredevil came back home.

All this, as was just stated, is a poor business move.

But, again, there's no hostility or pettiness from Fox?

 

[TeeKay]

So from what we've just been told:

There's no pettiness or hostility from Fox's end.

It's also a poor business move to let a property out of their hands for nothing.

They let Daredevil out of their hands for nothing. Marvel, if you recall, offered them an extension on the rights in favor of letting two characters that Fox will never use again come back home. Fox rejected the deal, and Daredevil came back home.

All this, as was just stated, is a poor business move.

But, again, there's no hostility or pettiness from Fox?

And in the end, they are the ones who lost because...

And a $60 million dollars loss.

 

[First Avenger]

Lol.

 

[Kermit_The_Frog]

It would've been more rational to devote more time and effort into making it as commercially viable and successful as possible rather than not keeping on top of things and leaving it solely to a relatively in-experienced director of giving up a valuable property

Their mistake was not in making the movie but in not being pro-active enough to ensure the best movie possible

Their mistake was also constantly butting in and cutting so much stuff out of the movie. Why agree on a vision with the Director when you're just gonna bigfoot in and change this and that anyway? But that's beside the point.

Let's not act like Marvel has a Halo over their head during all this. They've been petty as well.

 

[Havok83]

So from what we've just been told:

There's no pettiness or hostility from Fox's end.

It's also a poor business move to let a property out of their hands for nothing.

They let Daredevil out of their hands for nothing. Marvel, if you recall, offered them an extension on the rights in favor of letting two characters that Fox will never use again come back home. Fox rejected the deal, and Daredevil came back home.

All this, as was just stated, is a poor business move.

But, again, there's no hostility or pettiness from Fox?

what two characters?

 

[Majik1387]

I think he's referring to Daredevil and Blade.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

what two characters?

Galactus and the Silver Surfer.

 

[Flint Marko]

what two characters?

Silver Surfer and Galactus. Marvel wanted to use them in Infinity War, but Fox rejected the deal and flushed millions of dollars down the drain by letting their daredevil project go to waste.
This was what really set the two companies at odds with one another. Everything that Marvel is criticized for doing with the X-men and the FF properties happened afterwards as a reaction to Fox's initial pettiness. This fact is regularly brushed under the rug by people who want to pretend Marvel is the big bad instigator who should gladly help a competing company make money off of their IP's.

 

[TeeKay]

And guess who got the last laugh in all of this?

 

[Mad Ones]

Not the fans.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

So from what we've just been told:

There's no pettiness or hostility from Fox's end.

It's also a poor business move to let a property out of their hands for nothing.

They let Daredevil out of their hands for nothing. Marvel, if you recall, offered them an extension on the rights in favor of letting two characters that Fox will never use again come back home. Fox rejected the deal, and Daredevil came back home.

All this, as was just stated, is a poor business move.

But, again, there's no hostility or pettiness from Fox?

Rejecting that offer was not hostile or petty it was a decision. Just because you wanted them to accept it doesn't mean that by not accepting it they're being petty or greedy or against you.

You and others think that everything they do regarding rights is just to stick it to those who want them in the MCU but that's not a factor at all. They're a corporation, they think in business and numbers and the decisions they make are done so for business reasons, whether those decisions are good or bad financially is another matter. If you took a step outside your entitlement mindset you'd realise that them making movies with the rights they control isn't done to crush your dreams but just standard movie industry business to make the most of what you have.

But yes it was a poor business decision to not capitalise on Daredevil when they had the chance and in hindsight probably would've been better to keep that property for those two characters but they chose the fully intact larger scale property over the smaller scale one. They viewed one as having more franchise potential than the other and stuck with that. It Didn't pay off, they made mistakes, all companies do.

 

[TeeKay]

Not the fans.

A lot of us did. We saw what was coming despite being told we would be wrong.

 

[Flint Marko]

You and others think that everything they do regarding rights is just to stick it to those who want them in the MCU but that's not a factor at all. They're a corporation, they think in business and numbers and the decisions they make are done so for business reasons, whether those decisions are good or bad financially is another matter. If you took a step outside your entitlement mindset you'd realise that them making movies with the rights they control isn't done to crush your dreams but just standard movie industry business to make the most of what you have.

I'm going to copy and paste this as a response the next time I see you complain about Marvel "screwing over" the X-men and FF fans.

 

[Mad Ones]

A lot of us did. We saw what was coming despite being told we would be wrong.

Congrats? Your prize is a crappy FF movie, no FF comics, no FF or X-men promotion, merchandise, or cartoons, and desperate attempts at making the Inhumans happen.

 

[TeeKay]

Rejecting that offer was not hostile or petty it was a decision. Just because you wanted them to accept it doesn't mean that by not accepting it they're being petty or greedy or against you.

It was because they made the FF for the wrong reasons.

You and others think that everything they do regarding rights is just to stick it to those who want them in the MCU but that's not a factor at all. They're a corporation, they think in business and numbers and the decisions they make are done so for business reasons, whether those decisions are good or bad financially is another matter. If you took a step outside your entitlement mindset you'd realise that them making movies with the rights they control isn't done to crush your dreams but just standard movie industry business to make the most of what you have.

This post will become handy in the future. I'm bookmarking it.

But yes it was a poor business decision to not capitalise on Daredevil when they had the chance and in hindsight probably would've been better to keep that property for those two characters but they chose the fully intact larger scale property over the smaller scale one. They viewed one as having more franchise potential than the other and stuck with that. It Didn't pay off, they made mistakes, all companies do.

This wasn't a mistake. They knew exactly what they're doing. I'd be more forgiving is there was actually heart and passion for the project. They had No vision. They thought they could get away with this cheap rights grab but they didn't.

 

[regnak]

Their mistake was also constantly butting in and cutting so much stuff out of the movie. Why agree on a vision with the Director when you're just gonna bigfoot in and change this and that anyway? But that's beside the point.

No their mistake was trying to do it on the cheap. They started with a rumored budget of $80 million and got up to $122 million with the cost overruns. OTOH they budgeted over $150 million for Gambit. FF done right would need at least that much and someone who knows how to do it like Paul Dini. Fox put forth a half assed effort, tried to fix it when things looked bad and failed miserably.

Even with all the overruns FF had a smaller budget than Ant Man ... think about that.

 

[TeeKay]

Congrats? Your prize is no FF comics, no FF or X-men promotion, merchandise, or cartoons, and desperate attempts at making the Inhumans happen.

And that's thanks to who?

 

[Havok83]

Congrats? Your prize is a crappy FF movie, no FF comics, no FF or X-men promotion, merchandise, or cartoons, and desperate attempts at making the Inhumans happen.

IA. As an X-men fan, I hate what the outcome on this has done to the franchise

 

[Mad Ones]

And that's thanks to who?

The studio wars that according to you are giving the fans the "last laugh"

 

[TeeKay]

The studio wars that according to you are giving the fans the "last laugh"

You know what? Feige should have the last laugh. And so should we. This movie should be a lesson to all movie studios not to do half arsed films with no heart and soul. If Marvel or DC can't get away with it, nor should Fox.

 

[Mad Ones]

You know what? Feige should have the last laugh. And so should we. This movie should be a lesson to all movie studios not to do half arsed films with no heart and soul. If Marvel or DC can't get away with it, nor should Fox.

No one should be laughing when a brand gets damaged. I just don't get this mentality. Good comic book movies are good for everyone. Bad comic book movies are bad for everyone. Fans have to be the only people giddy when a bad movie is made.

 

[TeeKay]

No one should be laughing when a brand gets damaged. I just don't get this mentality. Good comic book movies are good for everyone. Bad comic book movies are bad for everyone. Fans have to be the only people giddy when a bad movie is made.

You don't get the mentality? Four times. FOUR fricken times Fox has burnt us. Yeah its totally funny at this point considering the BTS shenanigans and the motivation for having this this train wreck made. And of course you have the people who were defending the flick to their death. This what's funny to me the most.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

And that's thanks to who?

First one Fox, the rest Marvel.