BvS Gal Gadot IS Wonder Woman! - Part 8

[Marvin]

Indeed. I was pronouncing it right the first time, but then changed when I saw something saying it was Ga-doh. I shall revert back to using the "t".

 

[Wildcard]

And going back to Gal, I wonder how many reporters are going to totally butcher her name when this movie comes out. I only really trust native reporters (in her case, Israeli) when it comes to proper pronunciation...

It'll be just as bad as it was with Antje Traue. Though, admittedly, I still don't know how to pronounce her name (completely) properly either.

 

[dnno1]

I think Jae Lee's WW looks very much like Gal. I'm a little surprised it hasn't been brought up before.

Wonder Woman
(by Jae Lee)

 

[DeadPresident]

This is getting ****ing inane. People have gone from "discussing" a casting choice to using this topic as personal resume for what supposedly makes them qualified to deliver commentary on said casting choice.

 

[Dark Raven]

Really depends on each woman's frame. Gal is clearly physically incapable of getting there, unless she does some extremely unhealthy things to her body.

Plus elite-athlete shape isn't like, required of everyone who starts a fitness program. You can decide how often you go the gym and how much you lift and how much you eat and what supplements you take, etc. There's a huge spectrum. It's not like one round of Crossfit = T2 Linda Hamilton.

Yeah, that's what I tell women too, because my arms are my most complimented feature. At least, compliments coming from women.


And going back to Gal, I wonder how many reporters are going to totally butcher her name when this movie comes out. I only really trust native reporters (in her case, Israeli) when it comes to proper pronunciation...

I foresee plenty of butchery. Ioan Gruffudd used to get it all the time (but his name admittedly looks difficult to pronounce unless you know how say his last name) and so did Ralph Fiennes (eg Ralf Fee-ennes instead of rhyming with "safe signs").

Hopefully in actual interviews she'll set them straight, unless she's too polite to do so.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I think the point people are trying to make is not that these images look like Gadot, but more so that someone with Gadot's frame can satisfyingly play WW.

I know that and I was saying her frame isn't the same as the animated pictures frames.

Animation holds as much weight as the comics in regards to their realistic merit. I, for one, think that your "ideal woman" argument is still coming from a man's perspective. Does WW really need DD's and hips to be attractive? I want to also point out that your definition of beauty is unique to you, especially when you compare it to a woman's perspective. She's not meant to be a sex symbol, but more the physical representation of feminine strength. This doesn't necessarily mean that she should be a body builder (I still think you should have used another image to support your point) as WW is still supposed to be beautiful, but it also doesn't mean she has to be incredibly curvaceous, either.

But Wonder Woman is a sex symbol just as much as she is anything else....it's not something I've projected onto her but something inherent in her character. Have you ever looked at any of the WW covers from the 40s? Again, I've never called for her to look like a porn star, just not a stick figure or boyish. I'm not just going off of what I think is attractive but what society on average as a whole considers to be "ideal". If you take a poll of 1000 you'll find the results to be similar. I'm not going off of what appeals to me solely personally because obviously that's not for everyone.

I do, however, think that her figure will change more favorably to what you want as she continues to train.

I doubt it but we'll see.

 

[Wildcard]

I may have to retire from this thread.

The fact that some people are still picking fun at her weight, even as she busts her ass to get in shape for this role, is ****ing despicable.

Instead of getting petty and juvenile and borderline mysogynistic with the actress, if you still have a fundamental issue with her playing the character, take it up with the man who hired her in the first place.

Agreed, and it's really a shame. I'm happy with her progress...it'd be different if she literally looked exactly the same as when the casting was announced but she's been making noticeable gains.

Some people truly aren't ever satisfied no matter what happens.

 

[dnno1]

I foresee plenty of butchery. Ioan Gruffudd used to get it all the time (but his name admittedly looks difficult to pronounce unless you know how say his last name) and so did Ralph Fiennes (eg Ralf Fee-ennes instead of rhyming with "safe signs").

Hopefully in actual interviews she'll set them straight, unless she's too polite to do so.

Hopefully they will realize the pronunciation when they introduce her at ComicCon (I hope she will be there).

 

[X Knight]

Wonder Woman
(by Jae Lee)

uh-oh. WW doesn't have any muscle definition.

 

[Wildcard]

uh-oh. WW doesn't have any muscle definition.

The funny thing about people who want a perfect WW is it's so contradictory. They want her to be sexy, but also want her to be huge in terms of muscle definition. That's fine in the comic books but in live action it needs to be more balanced...she ain't gotta look like a bodybuilder, just someone in very good physical condition.

 

[Marvin]

The super soldier serum was intended to make a physically perfect person, not a roid freak - we have no idea what that would be like. It stands to reason that the person would meet many peoples ideal attractive man.

It stands to reason that the serum would have an effect on his muscle mass and bone density along with a few other things according to comic book science fiction. Either way the casting should reflect that in some way...ie Chris Evans has really big muscles. Where do you find this same rhetoric for the casting of wonder woman outside of the superficial reasons.

Where do you get the idea that she's supposed to look like walking physical perfection? With cap it's kinda right there in the explanation for his powers(sometimes).

And no, all women adapted for animation do not have Wonder Woman's build for the cartoons. They too are adjusted accordingly.

Correct. They design the characters accordingly. Big women are drawn big, buff women are drawn buff and woman that look like wonder woman are drawn like wonder woman.

Seems like it has more to do with design than it does with animation.

 

[X Knight]

The funny thing about people who want a perfect WW is it's so contradictory. They want her to be sexy, but also want her to be huge in terms of muscle definition. That's fine in the comic books but in live action it needs to be more balanced...she ain't gotta look like a bodybuilder, just someone in very good physical condition.

exactly!!

and from what she showed in that recent pic with her arm muscle, it looks like she's on her way.

she has to be lean, ripped, and sexy. not so crazy ripped with insane muscle definition. nor does she have to be bodybuilder bulky ( hell no! ).

she should have a lean, athletic look with functional muscles befitting of a warrior.

and I see no reason why Gal can't achieve that through proper training and diet.

 

[Dark Raven]

It'll be just as bad as it was with Antje Traue. Though, admittedly, I still don't know how to pronounce her name (completely) properly either.

I have no idea how to pronounce her name either. But in her case it doesn't look easy to pronounce. At least with Gal, people can more easily make an attempt to pronounce it, because it doesn't look difficult. It's just that they might go for a more French pronunciation because they impose certain preconceptions on her name from previous similar examples (eg Bridget Bardot, or "Waiting for Godot").

 

[Capt. Marvelous]

Michael Turner's Wonder Woman is the first one that comes to mind. Also how she was portrayed during her first several years. But I wouldn't call Gal Gadot a waif, especially after the recent photo, and considering that she's only going to gain even more bulk and muscle in the coming months.

Michael Turner's Wonder Woman is still quite curvy.

I don't see any similarities to Gadot's body type.

Not sure what your point is by bringing up the Turner example.

 

[MrsKent26]

WW has had many different looks over the years.

I'm not sure when some people are going to understand that when a character exists for over 60 years or so, there are going to be many different interpretations of that character. This will only be more pronounced when the character starts to make it into live action and animation. Each artist that handles the character sees them slightly differently and has the right and tendency to put their own interpretation into the mix. And this is a good thing. Long-running characters need to and always will change with the times in order to survive. People are certainly allowed to dislike this, but they should also realize that it is a reality and won't likely stop.

 

[golfguy22]

I know that and I was saying her frame isn't the same as the animated pictures frames.



But Wonder Woman is a sex symbol just as much as she is anything else....it's not something I've projected onto her but something inherent in her character. Have you ever looked at any of the WW covers from the 40s? Again, I've never called for her to look like a porn star, just not a stick figure or boyish. I'm not just going off of what I think is attractive but what society on average as a whole considers to be "ideal". If you take a poll of 1000 you'll find the results to be similar. I'm not going off of what appeals to me solely personally because obviously that's not for everyone.



I doubt it but we'll see.

I am having a bit of difficulty understanding how the animation stills are so much different from Gadot's current frame. Could you describe the differences you see? Also, WW is a sex symbol currently for all the wrong reasons. Most of the time, she's drawn like a porn actress. I am not knocking porn stars, but it's not necessarily a flattering image to project onto women, especially one who's supposed to be strong inspiring figure to all females. She's been drawn a multitude of ways, however, and some are drawn not too differently than where Gadot's at now. I don't see how a waistline of breasts take away from her character. Also, if you really want to delve into mythos, Aphrodite's supposed to be the most beautiful in the eyes of the Greeks, and their definition of beautiful can be very different from what you theorize to be our modern society's preference. Also, women may have a completely different description of the "perfect" woman in their eyes. Curves are subjective.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I don't see any similarities to Gadot's body type.

Both have freaking wide and gorgeous cheekbones.

Nevermind, it's OT. t:

 

[Kevin Smith]

This is getting ****ing inane. People have gone from "discussing" a casting choice to using this topic as personal resume for what supposedly makes them qualified to deliver commentary on said casting choice.

Weren't you the person who asked what made a person so qualified to determine what was and wasn't the right way to adapt a character? Or do I have the wrong guy...?

 

[C. Lee]

For the record folks...when I say to stop the petty arguing and name calling....I MEAN EVERY DAMN PERSON ON HERE.

 

[golfguy22]

Michael Turner's Wonder Woman is still quite curvy.

I don't see any similarities to Gadot's body type.

Not sure what your point is by bringing up the Turner example.

Yet she also has the ridiculously abnormal muscle definition which you and Kev despise. If you defend her curves here (which are still unrealistic btw) how do you invalidate the musculature? Can you choose one or the other? I am not trying to corner you here, but I just need some justification.

 

[Marvin]

I am having a bit of difficulty understanding how the animation stills are so much different from Gadot's current frame. Could you describe the differences you see? Also, WW is a sex symbol currently for all the wrong reasons. Most of the time, she's drawn like a porn actress. I am not knocking porn stars, but it's not necessarily a flattering image to project onto women, especially one who's supposed to be strong inspiring figure to all females. She's been drawn a multitude of ways, however, and some are drawn not too differently than where Gadot's at now. I don't see how a waistline of breasts take away from her character. Also, if you really want to delve into mythos, Aphrodite's supposed to be the most beautiful in the eyes of the Greeks, and their definition of beautiful can be very different from what you theorize to be our modern society's preference. Also, women may have a completely different description of the "perfect" woman in their eyes. Curves are subjective.

This.

The comments section to the Gal picture on the site that shall not be named, is close to a thousand already. The attention bestowed to all things DC is certainly a mixed bag.
For a gym picture no less.

 

[X Knight]

are we really comparing real human bodies to fictional drawn/animated bodies??

c'mon, people. Gal will look fine for the role.

 

[John-An]

The first pic is definitely what I am hoping.

I kinda agree with that.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

are we really comparing real human bodies to fictional drawn/animated bodies??

c'mon, people. Gal will look fine for the role.

This.

 

[Capt. Marvelous]

Yet she also has the ridiculously abnormal muscle definition which you and Kev despise. If you defend her curves here (which are still unrealistic btw) how do you invalidate the musculature? Can you choose one or the other? I am not trying to corner you here, but I just need some justification.

How exactly is a woman having curves unrealistic?

You aren't making much sense.


My point was WW has always been portrayed as curvy and athletic. She isn't Wonder Waif.