The Last Jedi General Episode VIII News/Speculation/SPOILER Thread - - Part 11

[chamber-music]

They left his training time for the audience to decide but seemed like months of training. On top of that they also have the plot device to mess with time and dimensions. Where as this movie picks up right after TFA and is only a matter of days or even a few weeks if that.

There is no time lapse scene like there is in Strange.

They said Doctor Strange has a photographic memory in the movie which is how he learned so quickly. There were scenes of him reading plenty of the magical books. Stranger also still struggled with his magical abilities through out the movie.

I didn't mind Kylo in TFA as I saw in him the want to be like Vader, but someone who would never attain that level ever. Kylo was missing the point of why Anakin became Vader. It wasn't out of being evil, it was out of love with help from a manipulative 'mentor' who pushed that love so much it became twisted into jealousy and resentment. And that is what made Kylo intriguing to me initially as he was a 'wannabe' but ultimately he would become a 'neverbe' as he lacked the reason to be unlike Vader.

Now, randomly he kills Snoke and takes over.

Vader only turned back because of his love for Luke and the fact Palpatine was going to kill him. It took the ultimate thing for a parent to see to push him back and turn on his master. Kylo, what was his motive really? the character has just become a villain for the sake of it now and all the initial premise in TFA has gone. I just don't hate him or love him like I did any other villain in Star Wars because there is no reason to do so. He is just 'there' as the trilogy baddie.

Kylo kills him because Snoke belittles him and treats him like a abused pet in need of his approval. We saw how angry Kylo got when Snoke mocked him for wearing the helmet.

Kylo's motivation is that he is insecure and conflicted. What better way to feel like your the big man than killing your boss and ruling the galaxy yourself? Kylo ruling is what he thinks would make him looks strong and worthy of the Vader's legacy.

I don't think Kylo would actually be good or that interested in the day to day ruling of the galaxy in the long term. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy that has the patients or interest for governance.

 

[DKDetective]

That becomes more related to Luke trying to restart the Jedi Order though. Unless he comes back as a force ghost teacher he won't be passing on what he learned to anyone else. I guess the closest he can come is to turn Ben back to the light side and have him do it.

I think it is pretty clear he will be back as a force ghost teacher, just like Qui-Gon and Old Ben. He made that clear to Leia, Rey, and Kylo. The film would not have put so much emphasis on Yoda's direction to pass on what he has learned if there is not going to be pay-off for it. I hope JJ runs with this in IX.

 

[danoyse]

I think it is pretty clear he will be back as a force ghost teacher, just like Qui-Gon and Old Ben. He made that clear to Leia, Rey, and Kylo.

Yeah, I got the impression that this is far from the last we see of him. He found his purpose. Hell, he seems ready to fight for something now.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think it is pretty clear he will be back as a force ghost teacher, just like Qui-Gon and Old Ben. He made that clear to Leia, Rey, and Kylo. The film would not have put so much emphasis on Yoda's direction to pass on what he has learned if there is not going to be pay-off for it. I hope JJ runs with this in IX.

We should probably pump the breaks on what we believe the film makes clear on what it's doing and where things are going .

 

[Mjölnir]

I think it is pretty clear he will be back as a force ghost teacher, just like Qui-Gon and Old Ben. He made that clear to Leia, Rey, and Kylo. The film would not have put so much emphasis on Yoda's direction to pass on what he has learned if there is not going to be pay-off for it. I hope JJ runs with this in IX.

I hope so too, but I also think there's a chance that they want to end the trilogy with just the new characters around.

 

[spiderman2]

Any one think Rey may be a clone?

 

[Iceman]

I think it is pretty clear he will be back as a force ghost teacher, just like Qui-Gon and Old Ben. He made that clear to Leia, Rey, and Kylo. The film would not have put so much emphasis on Yoda's direction to pass on what he has learned if there is not going to be pay-off for it. I hope JJ runs with this in IX.

It's interesting seeing Yoda's force ghost being able to do much more than we've seen from force ghosts before. Hopefully this opens the door for Luke to play an important part in IX.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Any one think Rey may be a clone?

Plenty of people do. The vast majority does not, mercifully.

 

[DKDetective]

It's interesting seeing Yoda's force ghost being able to do much more than we've seen from force ghosts before. Hopefully this opens the door for Luke to play an important part in IX.

I think Luke's passing solves the narrative problem they were having of telling a story of a new generation of Jedi with Luke still around. When writing TFA, they kept having problems where Luke basically just stole the spotlight from Rey as soon as he entered the story. As a force ghost, he can be there as a fount of wisdom and guide Rey without taking over as the hero.

By the way, I really hope Luke's force ghost has his idealized appearance from the flashbacks and force projection. The hair and beard style is such a perfect progression of Luke's ROTJ look and is what I always dreamed Jedi Master Luke should look like. Looks so much better than the scraggly look JJ came up with.

 

[danoyse]

Any one think Rey may be a clone?

I think Rey is just Rey.

 

[Lionbush]

Plenty of people do. The vast majority does not, mercifully.

If it goes that way they can send me the way of Luke...

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Is he gonna be upset if Rey doesn't turn out to be a clone in Ep 9?

 

[007]

Being a clone would be an improvement on bring a no one

 

[007]

Is he gonna be upset if Rey doesn't turn out to be a clone in Ep 9?

It no longer matters, they've killed the trilogy already.

 

[Sithborg]

Being a clone would be an improvement on bring a no one

She is not a no one anymore, though. That is sort of the whole point of the movie.

 

[JOE]

Being a clone would be an improvement on bring a no one

I don't believe so.

Being a "no one" ties into the whole "choose your own destiny" rather than fulfilling one already set out for you. If she was a Skywalker she'd be destined to bring balance. Same goes with a Kenobi or any other Jedi because of their ancestors. As a jedi from non-jedi parents, she can be whoever she wants to be. And whoever she choses won't be a "no one".

 

[Young Skywalker]

I don't believe so.

Being a "no one" ties into the whole "choose your own destiny" rather than fulfilling one already set out for you. If she was a Skywalker she'd be destined to bring balance. Same goes with a Kenobi or any other Jedi because of their ancestors. As a jedi from non-jedi parents, she can be whoever she wants to be. And whoever she choses won't be a "no one".

I don't think her being a Skywalker would mean that she's destined to become a Jedi. Look at what happened with Anakin and Kylo. The ironic part is that the journey she's taking is basically the same as Luke's in the OT, anyway.

 

[danoyse]

She is not a no one anymore, though. That is sort of the whole point of the movie.

Characters only count if they share DNA with Darth Vader, apparently.

 

[danoyse]

I don't believe so.

Being a "no one" ties into the whole "choose your own destiny" rather than fulfilling one already set out for you. If she was a Skywalker she'd be destined to bring balance. Same goes with a Kenobi or any other Jedi because of their ancestors. As a jedi from non-jedi parents, she can be whoever she wants to be. And whoever she choses won't be a "no one".

And it means that a no one can be someone. More than they ever thought they could be.

 

[Mjölnir]

Any one think Rey may be a clone?

Rey is kind of a Luke clone, but only on a meta level. I don't think there's any chance of that being in the story.

 

[Lionbush]

Characters only count if they share DNA with Darth Vader, apparently.

Think you missed the point...

 

[danoyse]

Think you missed the point...

Nope, I didn't.

 

[Iceman]

I think Luke's passing solves the narrative problem they were having of telling a story of a new generation of Jedi with Luke still around. When writing TFA, they kept having problems where Luke basically just stole the spotlight from Rey as soon as he entered the story. As a force ghost, he can be there as a fount of wisdom and guide Rey without taking over as the hero.

By the way, I really hope Luke's force ghost has his idealized appearance from the flashbacks and force projection. The hair and beard style is such a perfect progression of Luke's ROTJ look and is what I always dreamed Jedi Master Luke should look like. Looks so much better than the scraggly look JJ came up with.

It could all help make IX work.

Yes good call. Was great seeing him like that. I loved the RotJ look and I'm glad we're getting something akin to Luke in his prime past RotJ rather than more old bum Luke. t:

 

[DKDetective]

And it means that a no one can be someone. More than they ever thought they could be.

It jives with the themes of TLJ, but the vision of her parents in TFA leaving makes no sense now. The clear implication was they left Jakku. Her being sold for drinking money by people who stayed on Jakku doesn't seem to jive with people who had a ship or who could afford to book passage. It could just be sloppy storytelling from JJ that Rian couldn't clean up. Although he said he watched that vision over and over again in planning TLJ.

 

[Lionbush]

Nope, I didn't.

Yeah you did.