The Force Awakens General Star Wars Episode VII News/Speculation/SPOILER Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 34

[Snow Queen]

To me the worst thing was that song in the 3rd film, that part with the CGI creature singing. *shudders*

It's like they stop the movie to show you a bad music video.

 

[Broseph44]

To me the worst thing was that song in the 3rd film, that part with the CGI creature singing. *shudders*

The horrendous song at Jabba's yeah. Horrible. Also obviously as we all know the ****ing edit to show Greedo firing at Han first and the horrible edit of making hands head jerk out of the way of the shot.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's like they stop the movie to show you a bad music video.

It was cringe inducing. I couldn't stand it.

The horrendous song at Jabba's yeah. Horrible. Also obviously as we all know the ****ing edit to show Greedo firing at Han first and the horrible edit of making hands head jerk out of the way of the shot.

Yeah that one. My sis and I looked at each other with total WTF face during that scene.

I hate CGI being crow barred into old films.

 

[Marvolo]

 

[Snow Queen]

Seamless. Like they're really there.

 

[Broseph44]

Thanks for this Marvolo, I was just trying to get it out of my head haha

Seamless. Like they're really there.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

 

[BatLobster]

I don't want this to sound like I am hating on Lucas, but I really feel like those changes were a reaction to the reaction to the Prequels. Lucas really seem to take it hard, especially that many people considered it a separate entity. The OT and the PT. Not an overall saga.

So almost as to prove a point, he did stuff like this. Notice stuff that was mocked the most, namely Hayden and "Nooo" were added? I think the "Nooooo" is the biggest sin, but the Force Ghost situation is pretty close for me.

The Nooo is the worst for me, cause it actually hurts the scene. The Hayden ghost doesn't really bother me, though I know it probably should. I guess just because I can sorta see the merit of it, like if a newcomer to the saga watched the series in order it's something that puts a bit of a bow on it and ties the movies together. Recently my friend showed his wife the movies for the first time, they watched in order and ROTJ was her favorite because she loved that it had a happy ending, including the Hayden force ghost.

But yeah, Lucas definitely took it hard. To be honest, it's hard for any of us to fathom what that level of criticism and hatred would feel like- whether deserved or not. I bet I'd troll everyone a bit if I were in his position too. I guess I must have a spiteful streak in me too, but it makes perfect sense to me that he'd retaliate lol.

Anyway, for me it's all in the past. He passed the torch, he stepped aside. These days I prefer to view Lucas in a broader sense and just appreciate the good he accomplished. It's not that I don't think he deserves the criticism, but I think at the end of the day we're all flawed as human beings....he made Star Wars his life to a large degree, so a lot of his own personal quirks and flaws ended up embedded in the movies themselves. For better or worse, George Lucas will always be Star Wars to me. Even if TFA ends up being the best movie in the whole saga, JJ will still be the guy who was influenced by people like George and Spielberg and grew up to make his own kickass Star Wars movie. But he won't be synonymous with it. George will always be the OG. Lord knows he ****ed up plenty, but there is a certain level of respect I still think he deserves for turning the industry upside down and creating a world that has inspired countless millions to dream. To me there isn't even anyone else he can really be compared to in Hollywood. His whole career trajectory is completely unique and unprecedented.

I mean think about it this way...it wasn't until he saw Star Wars that James Cameron decided to quit his job as a truck driver and pursue his dream of making movies. So it goes even beyond inspiring the next generation of filmmakers (which it obviously did- Abrams, Jackson, Nolan, etc.), Star Wars was so powerful that it inspired a grown man to quit his job, and that guy went on to write/direct one of the greatest action movies of all time and oh, also wrote/directed a Best Picture winner. The impact of Star Wars just cannot be compared to anything. To me all of that is always the real headline of Lucas' life/career. All the missteps, yeah they're unfortunate and it's always sad to see an artist lose his way. But when you really step back and look and what he accomplished, for me personally it's just hard not to marvel at it. It's hard to imagine what movies would look like today without Star Wars. And of course, its success not all on his shoulders, film is collaborative and there are many key elements that made Star Wars what it was. That goes without saying. But somebody had to come up with the idea- those specific characters, those specific planets, those specific names for everything.

I just think it's kind of a shame that today's generation of fans/kids are growing up in a nerd culture with such a prevalent "f*** Lucas!" attitude, that many not stop to think about how important and game-changing Lucas' accomplishments really were. Sorry for the rant, just had to get that off my chest.

Carry on! t:

 

[Octoberist]

I don't see why the musical scene had to be sooooooooo long. And tonally it's weird because the next scene afterwards, the poor slavegirl gets eaten.

Are we to think that Jabba's palace is suppose to be a fun place to be at, with this musical assemble? The previous version was also kinda trite but at least it was brief and not so 'in-your-face'.

 

[Broseph44]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

To me the worst thing was that song in the 3rd film, that part with the CGI creature singing. *shudders*

It is a bad, bad scene. But it also isn't an emotional high point of the entire series.

 

[Octoberist]

Did you like seeing the CGI tonsils of that alien dude? Like he was breaking the fourth wall or something.

 

[Octoberist]

I do find it funny that 'Greedo has to shoot first' because it's a "Family Film" and whatever reason that Lucasfilm had at the time (remember that non-human like aliens are okay to kill) but it's okay to have this Alien girl barely wearing anything. And slave girls.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Nooo is the worst for me, cause it actually hurts the scene. The Hayden ghost doesn't really bother me, though I know it probably should. I guess just because I can sorta see the merit of it, like if a newcomer to the saga watched the series in order it's something that puts a bit of a bow on it and ties the movies together. Recently my friend showed his wife the movies for the first time, they watched in order and ROTJ was her favorite because she loved that it had a happy ending, including the Hayden force ghost.

But yeah, Lucas definitely took it hard. To be honest, it's hard for any of us to fathom what that level of criticism and hatred would feel like- whether deserved or not. I bet I'd troll everyone a bit if I were in his position too. I guess I must have a spiteful streak in me too, but it makes perfect sense to me that he'd retaliate lol.

Anyway, for me it's all in the past. He passed the torch, he stepped aside. These days I prefer to view Lucas in a broader sense and just appreciate the good he accomplished. It's not that I don't think he deserves the criticism, but I think at the end of the day we're all flawed as human beings....he made Star Wars his life to a large degree, so a lot of his own personal quirks and flaws ended up embedded in the movies themselves. For better or worse, George Lucas will always be Star Wars to me. Even if TFA ends up being the best movie in the whole saga, JJ will still be the guy who was influenced by people like George and Spielberg and grew up to make his own kickass Star Wars movie. But he won't be synonymous with it. George will always be the OG. Lord knows he ****ed up plenty, but there is a certain level of respect I still think he deserves for turning the industry upside down and creating a world that has inspired countless millions to dream. To me there isn't even anyone else he can really be compared to in Hollywood. His whole career trajectory is completely unique and unprecedented.

I mean think about it this way...it wasn't until he saw Star Wars that James Cameron decided to quit his job as a truck driver and pursue his dream of making movies. So it goes even beyond inspiring the next generation of filmmakers (which it obviously did- Abrams, Jackson, Nolan, etc.), Star Wars was so powerful that it inspired a grown man to quit his job, and that guy went on to write/direct one of the greatest action movies of all time and oh, also wrote/directed a Best Picture winner. The impact of Star Wars just cannot be compared to anything. To me all of that is always the real headline of Lucas' life/career. All the missteps, yeah they're unfortunate and it's always sad to see an artist lose his way. But when you really step back and look and what he accomplished, for me personally it's just hard not to marvel at it. It's hard to imagine what movies would look like today without Star Wars. And of course, its success not all on his shoulders, film is collaborative and there are many key elements that made Star Wars what it was. That goes without saying. But somebody had to come up with the idea- those specific characters, those specific planets, those specific names for everything.

I just think it's kind of a shame that today's generation of fans/kids are growing up in a nerd culture with such a prevalent "f*** Lucas!" attitude, that many not stop to think about how important and game-changing Lucas' accomplishments really were. Sorry for the rant, just had to get that off my chest.

Carry on! t:

The problem with giving Lucas credit is he wants all the credit. To the point that he lies about how Star Wars was made and refuses to give credit to those that help him make his movie. If Star Wars was up to Lucas and Lucas alone, the original movie may have well been a prequel level disaster. And that is the thing. Lucas came up with a fantastic idea, but he wasn't the one that brought it to life. Not on his own.

It is Lucas' own bitterness that has tainted his legacy in many people's eyes. It is actually way worse then "blank Lucas". It is actually rather sad.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

So, so awful.

It is a bad, bad scene. But it also isn't an emotional high point of the entire series.

I kinda don't remember the scene without the nooo because I probably only half watched the originals when I was younger. I do think that the noooo and the Hayden rape face ghost were terrible changes though.

 

[Snow Queen]

My god, his neck must be missing most of the bones in it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I kinda don't remember the scene without the nooo because I probably only half watched the originals when I was younger. I do think that the noooo and the Hayden rape face ghost were terrible changes though.

The "nooo" wasn't added until the blu-rays. So you never saw Star Wars before 2011? I think we need to have a talk about our relationship Snow.

Little Darth's little mind could never forget the perfection of Luke, Vader and the Emperor. RotJ has a lot of problems, but God to love Luke and Vader's story. IT is utter perfection imo.

 

[Octoberist]

I heard that Lucas is a nice guy, but yeah it seems like he doesn't like to share too much credit due to his hubris. It depends on the scenario I guess. Does he often thank Kasdan for his HUGE contributions to the Star Wars franchise? I'm sure he did right?

 

[Snow Queen]

The "nooo" wasn't added until the blu-rays. So you never saw Star Wars before 2011? I think we need to have a talk about our relationship Snow.

Hey, hey, what did I do?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The "nooo" wasn't added until the blu-rays. So you never saw Star Wars before 2011? I think we need to have a talk about our relationship Snow.

Okay maybe I don't know what the hell I remember because I've never seen the blu ray version. Maybe I saw the nooo part on Youtube or something and got mixed up. Consider this a blonde moment.

 

[Octoberist]

I know that Jason Ward (who seems to be a sweet guy) of Making Star Wars thinks the 2011 version IS the definite versions of the original films. If all else, at least say the 2004 versions are the definite version, not the 2011..with the 'nooooo' and CGI Sebulba being in Jabba's palace for no reason.

But at least I can agree with Jason that all the versions should be made available.

 

[Brother Jack]

Overall Jedi has the worst changes. Also has one of the best:

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[DarthSkywalker]

Hey, hey, what did I do?

Everything. Yes, I am blaming you for this.

Okay maybe I don't know what the hell I remember because I've never seen the blu ray version. Maybe I saw the nooo part on Youtube or something and got mixed up. Consider this a blonde moment.

All the Henry syrupy baths have gone to your head love.

 

[Snow Queen]

Everything. Yes, I am blaming you for this.

Sounds fair.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I know that Jason Ward (who seems to be a sweet guy) of Making Star Wars thinks the 2011 version IS the definite versions of the original films. If all else, at least say the 2004 versions are the definite version, not the 2011..with the 'nooooo' and CGI Sebulba being in Jabba's palace for no reason.

But at least I can agree with Jason that all the versions should be made available.

Jason seems like a good guy, but he gets insanely defensive over the prequels and it shows an ugly side. His views on the 2011 versions is clearly influenced by this. Watching him talk in a measured manner about the chance of the originals seeing the light of day is hilarious, because he would spend a lot of time on his podcast saying rather horrible things about those that wanted to see them. He'd also go out of his way to mock us by saying that Lucas would never allow it to happen.