Superman Returns Geoff Johns and Richard Donner love Superman Returns!

[Fatboy Roberts]

Have you read his Byrne book? They reviewed it over at AICN, it's apparently quite unintentionally comical in many spots.

Great artist. Terrible writer. Always thought so.

 

[Monstera]

Nope, what's the name of the book?

As a writer, I only know him through Man of Steel and other early Post-Crisis Superman. I'd say he can be good at concepts but mediocre in execution.

 

[Pickle-El]

I'll answer, since I've actually gotten way under his skin on this before:

He's here for the attention, and he takes it rather personally. He's dramatically exited a couple times and re-entered because he flat out likes the attention. He stumbled upon a posting style that garners him a LOT of it, negative or not. people know who he is, there's a persona and a general knowledge of what "Matt" is, and he likes that. In order to keep that up, he has to maintain the posting style he fell into.

He likes the notoriety and he likes seeing his name on the board, seeing other people quote him. And then, reinvigorated, he goes back to the community board and puffs out his chest, proud of validating his existence on the internet. He gets a rush out of being the underdog, raging against the machine, setting up straw men to knock over to lessen the idea that he's wasting time here running in place. He likes the feeling of net-battle.

Post of the year.

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

Nope, what's the name of the book?

As a writer, I only know him through Man of Steel and other early Post-Crisis Superman. I'd say he can be good at concepts but mediocre in execution.

crap. I don't remember off the top of my head. It was in last weeks AICN @$$holes column, they did a pretty in-depth review of it.

His ideas were mediocre, and his execution was god-awful. Hell, he made Hellboy a slog to read during those first few issues he was helping Mignola out. And then Mignola went on his own and the book ascended gloriously. Reading some of those Man of Steel Superman stories is a chore and a half because Byrne writes with such plodding joylessness.

 

[Monstera]

Okay, I'll look it up.

 

[Saint]

Have you read his Byrne book? They reviewed it over at AICN, it's apparently quite unintentionally comical in many spots.

Great artist. Terrible writer. Always thought so.

And a jerk, too.

 

[Pickle-El]

Buffy and Angel were hugely popular and ran for a combined 13 seasons (seven seasons of Buffy, five seasons of Angel). People like to trash Buffy in particular, but the real truth of it is most of the shows detractors didn't watch long enough. The show was weak in it's first season but evolved in an absolutely stellar program--especially in the later seasons.

In any case, I don't pay much mind to people who trash Buffy, because they're often the same people who think Smallville is quality television (which is laughable).

Oh.Snap.

 

[Monstera]

"Why does everybody hate me?" - John Byrne (MM VOL. 7, Part 4)

lol

 

[LadyVader]

Oh.Snap.

What's so snappy about it? Besides the fact that he messed up a simple calculation.

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

plus the term "hugely popular' is sort of a misnomer. It was popular, but if it was on a major network, it would have been canceled. Hell, it had to switch between junior networks at that to stay alive. It was a niche hit and had a good run, but it wasn't HUGELY POPULAR.

 

[Eros]

could we get back on Topic please?

 

[Saint]

What's so snappy about it? Besides the fact that he messed up a simple calculation.

Holy Christ, I did. That's just disturbing...

As for the "snap" part, I assume it was when I said Smallville is stagnant trash. But I didn't say stagnant. Or trash. But it's both of those things, too.

plus the term "hugely popular' is sort of a misnomer. It was popular, but if it was on a major network, it would have been canceled. Hell, it had to switch between junior networks at that to stay alive. It was a niche hit and had a good run, but it wasn't HUGELY POPULAR.

Yeah, I'll concede to that. It also occurs to me that I was arguing something irrelevant to my own point--which was that Joss Whedon kicks ass. You should know from experience that I don't care about "mass appeal," so I'm not sure why I bothered posting that in the first place...

 

[Nightwing1977]

Has Whedon ever written anything that has "mass appeal?"

LMAO! You're kidding, right? Guess you hate Buffy, Angel, & others so much that you just make up that he never wrote anything that has mass appeal. Boy, you are so wrong. What do you call when many fans demand they bring back Angel or Firefly or Buffy, etc. back on tv? Maybe it because of "mass appeal"? I thought so. I bet Buffy & Angel are the reason they brought in your fav. crappy show "Smallville".

And I disagree that a Wonder Woman movie won't work just because the leading character is female. Think "Alias" & "Buffy". While I'm aware they are tv shows, but if those 2 tv shows with strong female lead that are a big hit, it can work the same for WW. And the reason Elektra & Catwoman both failed wasn't because of the female lead. It was crappy story & some acting. If WW have some great acting & a good decent story, you can expect it to be a big hit. Bet on it.

 

[Action ACE]

Post of the year.

I second that.

 

[retconned]

Buffy and Angel were hugely popular and ran for a combined 13 seasons (seven seasons of Buffy, five seasons of Angel). People like to trash Buffy in particular, but the real truth of it is most of the shows detractors didn't watch long enough. The show was weak in it's first season but evolved in an absolutely stellar program--especially in the later seasons.

In any case, I don't pay much mind to people who trash Buffy, because they're often the same people who think Smallville is quality television (which is laughable).

Very well meaning post

 

[Kane]

And I disagree that a Wonder Woman movie won't work just because the leading character is female. Think "Alias" & "Buffy". While I'm aware they are tv shows, but if those 2 tv shows with strong female lead that are a big hit, it can work the same for WW. And the reason Elektra & Catwoman both failed wasn't because of the female lead. It was crappy story & some acting. If WW have some great acting & a good decent story, you can expect it to be a big hit. Bet on it.

I disagree and would bet against it, boys wouldnt buy WW toys or drag their families to go see it. They wouldnt jump up and down over WW as they do for Batman and Superman.

The film could make a decent revenue but nowhere close to Batman and Superman.

GL and Flash had the most potential to make the most money after SR.

 

[Eros]

i really don't care to see a wonderwoman movie, and i dun think anyone else outside her comic fanbase will. I have yet to see a huge mega blockbuster movie with a female lead.

 

[Kane]

Well Im not sure if Tomb Raider counts, then again.. she wasnt exactly a superhero from a comicbook.


Then you take a comicbook superhero like Aeon Flux and use an academy award winning actress (whos on the Hollywood Top lists) and it still fails.

Personally I dont think WW's chances are that great.

 

[Bullseye]

If Superman Returns was good enough for Geoff Johns, that it will be good enough for me.

 

[retconned]

For GL to succeed, they would need to find a Producer, Writer, and Director that take the material seriously and dedicate themselves to making a great movie. A director with a good flare for sci-fi action and compelling storytelling ability because lets face it, of all the superheroes, Lantern has the most sci-fi appeal. And the writer would need to actually make Hal Jordan interesting. And yes, thats the Lantern who would be used in the movie.

As far as The Flash goes, Ill be in the minority here but I think Flash would be better suited for a live action tv series if the right people where behind it, not the Smallville guys, Gough and Miller.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Well Im not sure if Tomb Raider counts, then again.. she wasnt exactly a superhero from a comicbook.

But the character feel like a superhero with being a strong female lead. Just like Wonder Woman. And people forgot about Xena too. She has a big mass appeal all over the world & she in someway a copy of Wonder Woman. If Xena can appeal to the mass, then WW can do better since she's may be the insipration for Xena.

Then you take a comicbook superhero like Aeon Flux and use an academy award winning actress (whos on the Hollywood Top lists) and it still fails.

Uh....Aeon Flux was from MTV's adult cartoon, not comic book. And like I said before, movies like Aeon Flux, Catwoman, Elektra, etc. are failure because of how the movie is made. Not the female lead. Seriously guys, think please. It not the female lead, it the story & acting!! I hope none of you guys are saying "Women shouldn't be the lead. Men should".

Personally I dont think WW's chances are that great.

Well, we'll have to wait & see, shall we? Are you willing to eat crows if the chances are great?

 

[Cosmic]

Yeah I don't think he's seen it or will see it judging from that thread. Anyway, Byrne locked it. Guy is practically colicky, crying into his little Byrne bib and throwing his little Byrne rattle around the room.

I don't have time to read the whole thread. I just read Byrne's posts on the last 10 pages or so, and saw no claim that he'd seen SR, or that he'd never see it. So, it just seems to me that people here are once again putting words into his mouth to make themselves look smart, because he's such an easy target.

And anyway, if he doesn't like some things he's seen or heard regarding the movie, to the point where he refuses to pay to see it, then fine. I really don't see what's so wrong about that. The real crybabies are the posters in here, who feel personally offended when someone denounces their favorite upcoming movie.

 

[Saint]

i really don't care to see a wonderwoman movie, and i dun think anyone else outside her comic fanbase will. I have yet to see a huge mega blockbuster movie with a female lead.

"Aliens." You lose.

Also--I have never purchased a Wonder Woman comic in my life, so I am the definition of "outside her fanbase"--and I still look forward to the film. As such, you lose a second time.

 

[Monstera]

And anyway, if he doesn't like some things he's seen or heard regarding the movie, to the point where he refuses to pay to see it, then fine. I really don't see what's so wrong about that. The real crybabies are the posters in here, who feel personally offended when someone denounces their favorite upcoming movie.

If Byrne is sick of reading about the movie, don't go in the thread. Locking it and preventing others from following their harmless bliss is assheaded and bizarre.

 

[Kane]

But the character feel like a superhero with being a strong female lead. Just like Wonder Woman. And people forgot about Xena too. She has a big mass appeal all over the world & she in someway a copy of Wonder Woman. If Xena can appeal to the mass, then WW can do better since she's may be the insipration for Xena.

Thats the difference, you cant really compare movies to TV shows in that regard.

But......Im hoping it will be a decent success.... and I think it will be if they just do one thing;

Cast TAYLOR COLE as Wonder Woman.. that is all.