GI-Joe to become international task force

[toddly6666]

To heck with Stephen Sommers, get MICHAEL MOORE to direct G.I. JOE!

 

[mr. peasant]

NOTE: Talking about the nature of how Hollywood is allowing itself to be pushed over by foreigners in general- not specific G.I Joe related. And the disgusting and revolting responses I heard from foreigners regarding an American flag being in an American City in Spider-Man 3. We gave them, "all that stuff" and in return that's what they do! Continue *****ing and groaning until we give in. As said before Supes should look straight at the screen and say "American Way" in the sequel as it should have been and IS. This isn't a reflection on G.I. Joe as much as it is an analysis of some hypocrite foreigners who can't stand the sight of an American flag because for some reason they hate us and can't shut up about how much they hate us.

To be fair, behavior such as this comes from a very small minority of the international audience, assuming these individuals actually watched the movie in the first place considering their disdain for the U.S. in the first place. Their behavior and opinion in no way represents the views and/or thoughts of the rest of us non-Americans. Heck, I reckon that there are probably just as many who behave like this within the U.S. itself, both towards the American flag and towards anything foreign.

All things considered, the behavior of a few individuals should not reflect the entire community. Otherwise, such generalizations lead away from unity and further promote misunderstandings and greater divisions amongst the people of the world.

 

[Soulgem]

By and large, the issue isn't the presence of the United States but rather the absence of everyone else. To make G.I. Joe a specifically American team combating the global threat of Cobra would give the impression that the only (competent) team out there fighting terrorism are Americans. This would be a huge insult and disservice to the thousands of non-Americans out there fighting against terrorism, many of whom have contributed equally if not more to the cause.

Additionally, as I keep saying, please explain how it is that international cooperation reduces the patriotic value of the characters (specifically the American ones)? And how does posing in front of an American flag make anyone more patriotic than those who don't? Alone, and without context, the presence of the American flag alone does not symbolize patriotism in any form.

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I'm a huge fan of G.I.Joe - It was called Action Force here, and it was mainly through the comics and toys we knew the concept.
I always got the feeling that G.I.Joe was more of an international team. In particular the way it was portraited in the comics.

The cartoons on the other hand are simlpy hilarious to watch for a non-american.
So I think that the comics are a good resource for movie material, the cartoons are not. Let's hope they know what they are doing.

Ps: The article who OP referres to is written by a ****** who have no clue about the concept, and thinks that G.I.Joe is the 60s special forces soldier only, and forgets that Larry Hamas G.I.Joe is what the movie (hopefully) is based on.

 

[lars573]

The article was from Fox lose, sorry news. Which means it's super patriot zeig heil BS masquerading as news.

 

[Starscreamer]

If a "terrorist organization determined to rule the WORLD" such as COBRA led by Cobra Commander actually did arise (and not in a cartoon) the fact is that it would require a WORLD response not just an American one. Cobra wants to rule the WORLD not Iowa lol To compromise make GIJOE an American born and led agency that has grown into an international force to beat COBRA because frankly we are becoming more of a world community and against a threat like COBRA it would take a world response. It just isn't realistic that you would have American troops in every foreign country that COBRA might strike. They are likely going for the Bay approach of keeping things as realistic and non-cartoony as possible.

 

[MaximusCannabis]

This movie is destined for failure until the current heads of project admit they know squat about G.I. Joe, the military, and combat. There is more to writing a good G.I. Joe movie, or any script for that matter, than format to the script and 'proper credentials.'

The biggest problem with Hollywood today is that so many films are lacking. Not stars, budget, talent... THEY LACK HEART!!! THEY DON'T HAVE AVY SOUL!!!

The guys who bring the world the G.I. Joe movie shouldn't be executives or filmmakers who are just know getting into it. The people who design this should be people who grew up with it and it's messages and tales!

If one has never played with a G.I. Joe toy, or watched the cartoon religously, or always wondered why there wasn't a G.I. Joe movie then they shouldn't be allowed to design the story! Even more... we can't have people who are completely ignorant to filmmaking and screenwriting doing this either.

I'M NOT ASKING, I'M TELLING... I CAN PRODUCE THE BEST G.I. JOE STORY FOR THE BIG SCREEN.

 

[Soulgem]

I'M NOT ASKING, I'M TELLING... I CAN PRODUCE THE BEST G.I. JOE STORY FOR THE BIG SCREEN.

I have my doubts.

But you are the master in producing some of the absolute worst posts I have seen on any forum on the internet. I will give you that

 

[MaximusCannabis]

I have my doubts.

But you are the master in producing some of the absolute worst posts I have seen on any forum on the internet. I will give you that

This^^^ from someone who accepts mediocrity.

 

[TheVileOne]

Just call the movie Action Force instead of GI JOE.

 

[mr. peasant]

Just call the movie Action Force instead of GI JOE.

Doing so would alienate the American audience who would be unfamiliar with the title (as well as everyone else outside of Europe). And since the characters of Action Force and G.I. Joe are the same with different backgrounds, the hardcore fans of G.I. Joe would probably still hate the movie, since it's still basically the G.I. Joe movie being modified to suit international audience.

This move would have little to no benefit for the movie's success. Incidentally, Paramount had considered/is considering titling the movie G.I. Joe in the U.S. and Action Force in Europe but this move was protested/is being protested by American fans.

 

[ObakeTora]

According to Fox news anyway. It's now going to be "Global Intergrated Joint Operating Entity." whatever: ) Could be an old script for all I know though.

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[toddly6666]

Calling the movie "Action Force" anyway almost sounds the same as calling the movie "Action Movie" at the same level as "Epic Movie", "Not Another Teen Movie," "Scary Movie". G.I. JOE is not a comedy, and it would be an awful title "Action Force." "Delta Farce" was just released in theaters and dvd as well, to make things worse. They have to keep the title "G.I. JOE." - the producers have no choice.

 

[kawboy]

I am so sick of this PC crap and bowing down to the hate America crowd. Blackhawk Down was an excellent movie that was purely American soldiers. It was a movie about American heros who did the right thing. Why wouldn't Summers want to portray America in the same positive light to the rest of the world. The political atmosphere could be totally different by the time this movie comes out anyway. We will have a different President and new people in congress.
Notice the colors on the boxes of the GI Joe toys.
Besides this movie won't be about real life America. It will be about the fictitious story of elite soldiers from America fighting fictious international terrorist with an American leader. Flush politics and just make a sweet action movie based on a comic, cartoon and toys we loved as kids. Don't destroy our memory just to try to appease those who don't agree with America right now. I guarentee that if the fans are pleased with the movie that it will be one kicka$$ movie and be successful
I love this country and if you don't, to bad let us wave the red,white and blue with pride.
James Bond is a movie based on a British gov't. agent from Britain fighting enemies of Britain and other countries and it has been a great success for years. Why can't and a Real American Hero from America fighting enemies of America and other countries also be a success.

The biggest problem with Hollywood today is that so many films are lacking. Not stars, budget, talent... THEY LACK HEART!!! THEY DON'T HAVE AVY SOUL!!!

Totally agreed, and from what I have read about what they are trying to do with this movie the soul will be completely void.

Now consider that these days a movie full of Yankee flag waving BS is going to turn off non-US viewers. So if they stayed totally true to the RAH cartoon concept they run the risk of loosing hundreds of millions in box office. Which they are NOT going to do.

Sorry I don't call waiving the great flag of my country BS.

God bless America(we need it) and Yo Joe.

 

[roach]

As an american soldier I am disappointed in this news but not surprized. This type of thing has been going on for a while. I think people worry about the wrong things. I have walked into a DVD store in Bahrain, Malaysia, Batam and other places and seen that the top selling DVD was the first half of the current season of 24. I know because I was trying to get it too. I hope this is just a rumor or gets changed

 

[roach]

So are we gonna have all new characters or are some of our faves now gonna be different nationalities?????

 

[mr. peasant]

So are we gonna have all new characters or are some of our faves now gonna be different nationalities?????

I think that for the sake of brand recognition (and to get their money's worth considering they had to pay to get the rights in the first place), at least some of the more recognizable characters (e.g. Duke, Snake-Eyes, Scarlett, Hawk, etc) will likely be featured. Whether they are getting their nationalities changed or if it will be others is uncertain, though I have a sneaking suspicion that they are going to be keeping the characters' nationalities ambiguous.

I am so sick of this PC crap and bowing down to the hate America crowd. Blackhawk Down was an excellent movie that was purely American soldiers.

I don't think that they are really bowing down to the anti-American crowd. Otherwise, they'd be making Cobra the heroes and an all-American G.I. Joe as the villains. From what I can see, I think the movies are just trying to reach out to the demographic who currently isn't 100% happy with some of the military decisions made by the American government by separating the heroes in the movie from being too closely related to the American government.

As for Black Hawk Down being a good movie because it featured purely American soldiers, I would have to disagree. The movie distorted some of the actual events that took place, particularly by portraying that American soldiers were the ones who rescued the survivors of the downed copter when in fact it was a combined effort with soldiers from other countries as well, some of whom gave their lives in the effort.

 

[MaximusCannabis]

blah blah blah

I don't care about this movie until I hear some more good news. The moving of the team from Brussell's to America(where it belongs) was a start.

They don't need to do much to appease the masses. Through in a token black guy or two(preferably Roadblock & Stalker,) use Spirit and Action Man as key members, and keep COBRA primarily European.

But again, I don't care about this move.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

The most important thing is that the characters are done correctly. Who cares if they're an international or an America-based team.

 

[roach]

cause the name is G.I. Joe a real american hero....for once I am wishing Michael Bay was directing this one

 

[mr. peasant]

cause the name is G.I. Joe a real american hero....for once I am wishing Michael Bay was directing this one

Not to nitpick, but the name is actually just G.I. Joe. Nothing more, nothing less. 'A Real American Hero' was just one iteration of the series and while it spawned the popular characters that the movie will feature, these characters were not exclusively limited to the 'A Real American Hero' series (Spy Troops, Valor Vs Venom and Sigma 6 to name a few).

Hence, the movie doesn't really have any obligation to create a strictly all-American team.

 

[MaximusCannabis]

Not to nitpick, but the name is actually just G.I. Joe. Nothing more, nothing less. 'A Real American Hero' was just one iteration of the series and while it spawned the popular characters that the movie will feature, these characters were not exclusively limited to the 'A Real American Hero' series (Spy Troops, Valor Vs Venom and Sigma 6 to name a few).

Hence, the movie doesn't really have any obligation to create a strictly all-American team.

Yes, but the point is that the characters ARE, and always have been, American so WHY change an already established and successful franchise?

 

[mr. peasant]

Yes, but the point is that the characters ARE, and always have been, American so WHY change an already established and successful franchise?

For the reasons mentioned time and time again?

1. To potentially better suit international tastes and audiences
2. Allows for a wider scope and scale for the movie's plot and locations
3. Acknowledges the work of all soldiers and counterterrorists, regardless of nationality
4. The characters have international backgrounds when sold overseas/internationally
5. To prevent a situation where the only prominent non-American characters are all villains
6. The established franchise has not always been (and is currently not) 100% successful, so change might be needed

 

[MaximusCannabis]

For the reasons mentioned time and time again?

1. To potentially better suit international tastes and audiences
2. Allows for a wider scope and scale for the movie's plot and locations
3. Acknowledges the work of all soldiers and counterterrorists, regardless of nationality
4. The characters have international backgrounds when sold overseas/internationally
5. To prevent a situation where the only prominent non-American characters are all villains
6. The established franchise has not always been (and is currently not) 100% successful, so change might be needed

Why not make Superman an Asian or an Iraqi then? There is no great need for the movie industry to behave in this manner.

 

[TheVileOne]

So are we gonna have all new characters or are some of our faves now gonna be different nationalities?????

First of all roach, God bless you for your service in the military.

Second, there was talk about basically making this a crossover type of movie with GI JOE and ACTION MAN. Action Man was basically a British equivalent character of the GI JOE series. And Alex Mann (Action Man) would be in the movie.

Latino Review reviewed a draft for the movie, which could be obsolete now, that had Scarlett married to Alex Mann and being involved in a love triangle with Action Man, Scarlett, and Duke.

For a while, an animated Action Man series with the British version of Alex Mann was broadcast in the US. It also featured silly looking live action interludes.

Later on Action Man was re-invented in the US with a CG series that had Alex Mann as an American extreme sports star/secret agent.

Neither series was very good.

Anyway, whether they will still go in the GI JOE/ACTION MAN direction seems up in the air at the moment.

1. To potentially better suit international tastes and audiences

I've still yet to see some legitimate proof that this will really work.

2. Allows for a wider scope and scale for the movie's plot and locations

The lack of this stupid change never caused this problem for the cartoons and comics before. I'm guessing you've never actually looked at either, since both have them globe-hopping ALL THE TIME.

3. Acknowledges the work of all soldiers and counterterrorists, regardless of nationality

Already done beforehand, reinforcing this silly and unnecessary change.

4. The characters have international backgrounds when sold overseas/internationally

Once again, I don't think people really care about this much overseas/internationally. And I doubt we are going to see some UN version of the GI JOE either.

5. To prevent a situation where the only prominent non-American characters are all villains

The main villain in GI JOE was always an American. I don't get this PC view like "Oh no, the only international characters are the bad guys! XENOPHOBIA!"

6. The established franchise has not always been (and is currently not) 100% successful, so change might be needed

That's dead wrong. Sigma Six was very successful for Hasbro. So is the 25th Anniversary series. So what are you talking about really?

More than anything this franchise has had longevity for decades. It's withstood the test of time, it's a proven successful formula for that very reason. It's not a flavor of the month.

 

[mr. peasant]

I've still yet to see some legitimate proof that this will really work.

Which is why I said 'potentially'. There's no concrete evidence and is purely speculative (as far as we know) but it is still something the producers are concerned about. And as it's a multi-million dollar investment (and they probably have researchers on the subject), I would say it's a fair concern.

The lack of this stupid change never caused this problem for the cartoons and comics before. I'm guessing you've never actually looked at either, since both have them globe-hopping ALL THE TIME.

That was then and this is now. The political climate is greatly different, especially after the U.S. invaded Iraq. It's quite possible (though not necessarily certain and backed by evidence that I know of) that a movie featuring a group of purely American soldiers would not get away with traipsing around the world going wherever they please. The belief is that an international group is less offensive since they're 'citizens of the world' kind of thing.

Already done beforehand, reinforcing this silly and unnecessary change.

How so, specifically within G.I. Joe or Paramount within recent years?

Once again, I don't think people really care about this much overseas/internationally. And I doubt we are going to see some UN version of the GI JOE either.

The main villain in GI JOE was always an American. I don't get this PC view like "Oh no, the only international characters are the bad guys! XENOPHOBIA!"

I agree. Personally, I wouldn't be too offended by it. However, there will be individuals and social/political groups who will be. And there will be troublemakers out there who will make a huge fuss regardless whether they personally feel that way on the topic just to feed the flames. Evidence of this can be seen in the various 'less than objective' online reports regarding the decision to make G.I. Joe an international group despite having little details on the issue beyond the fact.

That's dead wrong. Sigma Six was very successful for Hasbro. So is the 25th Anniversary series. So what are you talking about really?

Actually, the Sigma Six line was initially successful but recent sales have drastically declined. So much so that Hasbro has currently placed the entire 8-inch line on hiatus creatively with no plans on continuation beyond the currently planned waves, at least for the time being.

More than anything this franchise has had longevity for decades. It's withstood the test of time, it's a proven successful formula for that very reason. It's not a flavor of the month.

Again, this is not entirely accurate. For a long time (about a decade or so), G.I. Joe was not a commercially viable line and existed only as a direct-to-consumer product through Hasbro without the use of new sculpts and weren't available at retail to the average kid. Hence, at least for Hasbro and pop culture, it isn't a complete success.