Gi Joe

[jrpstarwars]

Here are a couple of the pics I can best use to convey the direction I want the GI Joe movie to go in.

 

[jrpstarwars]

and of course...

and the man...

 

[Punch]

Wahlberg would be much better as Flint.

 

[TheDemon'sHead]

I'd keep Snake-Eyes as a man of mystery. Not a whole lot of screen time but used to his fullest extent when he is on screen. Expand his role in the inevitable sequel. Then give him a solo movie or something.

Here's Storm Shadow's wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Shadow_(G.I._Joe)

Snake-Eyes is blonde though. Did I mention that in my earlier thread?

Yeah, Leguizamo is too old but when I was younger I always pictured him as Tunnel Rat.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Wahlberg would be much better as Flint.

No, he wouldn't work as Flint either. I'm thinking that Dirk Diggler, I mean Mark Wahlberg, would be best as... Falcon.

 

[jrpstarwars]

This thread needs some new life. It appears the major stumbling block for this potential franchise is 'Snake Eyes.' He is to be one of the top 2 or 3 characters in the series and it is extremely difficult to have this important of a character portrayed as a faceless mute.

I propose the idea of opening the GI Joe series with a Snake Eyes solo-film. This film could basically get the mask off and get him talking a little bit.

Or how about this? Don't have Snake Eyes as a main character. Have him be a faceless mute and that will be the end of it.

 

[TheDemon'sHead]

The idea of starting it off with Snake-Eyes would work but it would be more of a Snake-Eyes/Storm Shadow movie with some Stalker thrown in there. Unless of course you wouldn't want to go the route of the comic origin stories.

But then again, I think a G.I. Joe movie can stand on it's on if you have Snake-Eyes as the cool, quiet character.

Oh and for some reason I just thought that Clive Owen would make an awesome Major Blood even though I can't stand the Major Blood character. He could probably give the character some justice.

 

[jrpstarwars]

The idea of starting it off with Snake-Eyes would work but it would be more of a Snake-Eyes/Storm Shadow movie with some Stalker thrown in there. Unless of course you wouldn't want to go the route of the comic origin stories.

But then again, I think a G.I. Joe movie can stand on it's on if you have Snake-Eyes as the cool, quiet character.

Oh and for some reason I just thought that Clive Owen would make an awesome Major Blood even though I can't stand the Major Blood character. He could probably give the character some justice.

If you want an epic saga Snake Eyes can't be that way.

My choice for major Bludd:



Hugh Jackman

 

[jrpstarwars]

Wouldn't Vinnie Jones be perfect for the Snake Eyes role?

 

[CobraCommander]

I've been away for quite some time. But I recently peeked back in to see what was up, and lo-and-behold, a GI Joe thread.

Needless to say, Hollywood is going to butcher this film. Horribly. And it seems many of you in this thread have no idea what GI Joe is really all about. If you think Snake-Eyes got to be the iconic character he is by showing his face and talking, you are sorely mistaken. His silence and facelessness are essential to his character. He managed to convey character and emotion on a static page, I'm sure a talented actor could do the same in motion, if not better.

I see you've all gotten into casting ideas, without discussing the hack job that is being passed around as a script for this movie. It's not even GI Joe. It's not even Action Force. It's something else, but they're going to call it GI Joe anyway.

And as far as my namesake is concerned, one of the most legendary, iconic, and down-right evil villains in comics history... please. They have no idea how to handle Cobra Commander. Once again, his facelessness is his identity. If you show his face in this film, you have neutered the character. Period.

As far as all of the characters we know and love, such as Destro, Baroness, Storm Shadow, Hawk, Duke, Flint, Zartan... forget it. Because I promise you won't recognize them if this movie progresses in its current form. Most won't be present, and those that are will not have the relationships we know and love, that are essential to their character to begin with.

So long as Lorenzo DiBonaventura is producing this film, it will be wretched. No good casting decision or choice of director can change that. It will not be GI Joe. It will be something far inferior, being passed off on us as GI Joe. And shame on us if we bite.

I may be back. I may not. But I had to post this. Don't say I didn't warn you.

 

[Timstuff]

Don't worry, that script is long dead. If GI Joe pops up as a movie again, it will be because Transformers made a $%&#load of money, so they'll probably give GI Joe to someone who will do it well.

Anyway, my biggest fear with GI Joe is that Hollywood would want to make a "politically correct" version of it. I know that some people might bite me for saying this, but Hollywood is a pretty liberal town, and no matter how you slice it, GI Joe is fairly conservative in it's overall theme.

I'm not saying that Hollywood is incapable of doing GI Joe right, because there have been some very well done movies recently that are pro-military, so it's not like there's no-one in Hollywood who'd be willing to do GI Joe without re-shaping it. However, when I read stuff like this...

In conjunction with my 'Inglorious Bastards' post I nominate Quentin
Tarantino as writer/director for this project. The project would be produced by Steven Spielberg and Co. and the writer/director team would be none other than Oliver Stone and Tarantino. I would accept Tarantino alone without Stone if 'Inglorious Bastards' is at all succesful, but I would still prefer having Stone involved.

It makes me want to barf. Either this poster doesn't know squat about GI Joe, or he doesn't know squat about Oliver Stone as a person. Oliver Stone's GI Joe would probably have the Joes killing civilians and then making fake video tapes of Cobra soldiers doing it. If you want that kind of movie, then fine, that's your own business. But for the love of the 80's, don't try to call it GI Joe.

Anyway, as for Snake Eyes, since he's such a popular topic (and was my favorite Joe growing up), I think I'll add my own two cents in. I did like the old script's idea where Scarlett is always trying to get SE to talk, but it sounded completely ******ed as to why he doesn't talk, and the way Scarlett tries to "fix it" seems like it'd be played for laughs more than anything else. I think that SE should have damage to his vocal chords caused by gas from a "Ninja bomb" thrown by Storm Shadow when he and SE became enemies. Scarlett would believe that Snake Eyes has the ability to recover his speaking ability, but doesn't really try because he's ashamed of being beaten by Storm Shadow. It'd make for some good drama, and people would be waiting to see if he speaks again, which he probably would eventually (I imagine him groaning "Scarlett..." in a weak voice when he sees her in trouble, and that would be all until a future sequel). Also, I add that while SE was originally portrayed as being blond, I am not at all opposed to the possibility of giving him dark hair or even making him be of Japanese decent.

 

[3dman27]

I've been away for quite some time. But I recently peeked back in to see what was up, and lo-and-behold, a GI Joe thread.

Needless to say, Hollywood is going to butcher this film. Horribly. And it seems many of you in this thread have no idea what GI Joe is really all about. If you think Snake-Eyes got to be the iconic character he is by showing his face and talking, you are sorely mistaken. His silence and facelessness are essential to his character. He managed to convey character and emotion on a static page, I'm sure a talented actor could do the same in motion, if not better.

I see you've all gotten into casting ideas, without discussing the hack job that is being passed around as a script for this movie. It's not even GI Joe. It's not even Action Force. It's something else, but they're going to call it GI Joe anyway.

And as far as my namesake is concerned, one of the most legendary, iconic, and down-right evil villains in comics history... please. They have no idea how to handle Cobra Commander. Once again, his facelessness is his identity. If you show his face in this film, you have neutered the character. Period.

As far as all of the characters we know and love, such as Destro, Baroness, Storm Shadow, Hawk, Duke, Flint, Zartan... forget it. Because I promise you won't recognize them if this movie progresses in its current form. Most won't be present, and those that are will not have the relationships we know and love, that are essential to their character to begin with.

So long as Lorenzo DiBonaventura is producing this film, it will be wretched. No good casting decision or choice of director can change that. It will not be GI Joe. It will be something far inferior, being passed off on us as GI Joe. And shame on us if we bite.

I may be back. I may not. But I had to post this. Don't say I didn't warn you.

greetings cobra commander nice to see you back i was wondering what you thought about this movie treatment as well as the pc monstrosity called sigma 6

 

[blind_fury]

J-Lo for Lady Jay

Jason Lee for Shipwreck

and no Micheal Bay

 

[CobraCommander]

If GI Joe pops up as a movie again, it will be because Transformers made a $%&#load of money, so they'll probably give GI Joe to someone who will do it well.

If GI Joe is handled the way Transformers is being handled, I won't be in attendance when it opens. Not to get into a big Transformers debate, as I'm not the biggest fan in the world, but what I've seen from that movie IS NOT Transformers.

But I digress.

Read the comics. Read the Marvel series. Read the Image/DDP series. The movie's content is already there. It can be tightened up for the sake of the film (or films), and perhaps some of the weaker elements can be updated and tweaked, but overall, the foundation is already laid.

This is yet another example of Hollywood thinking they know better than the material that made the franchise popular to begin with. It happens with every comic book film, even after the success of Spider-Man, which stayed true to the original works by Stan Lee, if not directly in content than in spirit. Even after the success of Sin City and 300, which are the most true to the work comics films yet, Hollywood still insists on thinking they know better.

It's hard being a fan of comics at times like this. Movies are seen by a much wider audience. When those movies are bad, the comics on which they are based are thrown under the bus by most people along with the bad movie. Case in point, I'm a HUGE Daredevil fan. It's probably the best monthly comic going for the last 5 years or so (in my opinion). But what's the first thing people who don't read comics say when I tell them my favorite comic? "Oh, that movie kinda sucked." Or something to that effect.

I don't want GI Joe to become a joke because of a weak movie.

 

[TheDemon'sHead]

Originally Posted by CobraCommander
If you think Snake-Eyes got to be the iconic character he is by showing his face and talking, you are sorely mistaken. His silence and facelessness are essential to his character. He managed to convey character and emotion on a static page, I'm sure a talented actor could do the same in motion, if not better.

Thank you CC!

 

[Hunter Rider]

http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/793/793859p1.html

G.I. Joe Re-Enlists
Paramount, producer renew pact for movie adaptation.
by IGN Staff



US, June 4, 2007 - Producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura has long eyed turning the toy and comic book franchise G.I. Joe into a feature film for Paramount Pictures. He's even talked about casting his Shooter star Mark Wahlberg as Joe team leader Duke. Today brings the news that Paramount's pact with Joe toy maker Hasbro recently expired.

However, Variety reports that Hasbro's reps at the William Morris Agency renewed a deal between the toy manufacturer and Paramount to bring G.I. Joe to the silver screen.

Di Bonaventura will still produce the movie, but there was no word on whether the project will still use Skip Woods' screenplay or not.

That particular take on G.I. Joe, which reportedly had Duke teaming up with the Action Man character, has met with a mixed-to-negative response from many fans, according to reader feedback and message board postings.

 

[KenK]

http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/793/793859p1.html

G.I. Joe Re-Enlists
Paramount, producer renew pact for movie adaptation.
by IGN Staff



US, June 4, 2007 - Producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura has long eyed turning the toy and comic book franchise G.I. Joe into a feature film for Paramount Pictures. He's even talked about casting his Shooter star Mark Wahlberg as Joe team leader Duke. Today brings the news that Paramount's pact with Joe toy maker Hasbro recently expired.

However, Variety reports that Hasbro's reps at the William Morris Agency renewed a deal between the toy manufacturer and Paramount to bring G.I. Joe to the silver screen.

Di Bonaventura will still produce the movie, but there was no word on whether the project will still use Skip Woods' screenplay or not.

That particular take on G.I. Joe, which reportedly had Duke teaming up with the Action Man character, has met with a mixed-to-negative response from many fans, according to reader feedback and message board postings.

Hopefully Paramount is taking the negative response to Woods' screenplay into consideration, because it sounds profoundly stupid, even for GI Joe.

 

[CobraCommander]

Di Bonaventura will still produce the movie

So long as he is involved, this movie doesn't have a chance. He doesn't get it. He never has, and never will. He is the GI Joe equivalent to Jon Peters, except, MAYBE he can read, but even that is open to speculation.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Don't worry, that script is long dead. If GI Joe pops up as a movie again, it will be because Transformers made a $%&#load of money, so they'll probably give GI Joe to someone who will do it well.

Anyway, my biggest fear with GI Joe is that Hollywood would want to make a "politically correct" version of it. I know that some people might bite me for saying this, but Hollywood is a pretty liberal town, and no matter how you slice it, GI Joe is fairly conservative in it's overall theme.

I'm not saying that Hollywood is incapable of doing GI Joe right, because there have been some very well done movies recently that are pro-military, so it's not like there's no-one in Hollywood who'd be willing to do GI Joe without re-shaping it. However, when I read stuff like this...



It makes me want to barf. Either this poster doesn't know squat about GI Joe, or he doesn't know squat about Oliver Stone as a person. Oliver Stone's GI Joe would probably have the Joes killing civilians and then making fake video tapes of Cobra soldiers doing it. If you want that kind of movie, then fine, that's your own business. But for the love of the 80's, don't try to call it GI Joe.

Anyway, as for Snake Eyes, since he's such a popular topic (and was my favorite Joe growing up), I think I'll add my own two cents in. I did like the old script's idea where Scarlett is always trying to get SE to talk, but it sounded completely ******ed as to why he doesn't talk, and the way Scarlett tries to "fix it" seems like it'd be played for laughs more than anything else. I think that SE should have damage to his vocal chords caused by gas from a "Ninja bomb" thrown by Storm Shadow when he and SE became enemies. Scarlett would believe that Snake Eyes has the ability to recover his speaking ability, but doesn't really try because he's ashamed of being beaten by Storm Shadow. It'd make for some good drama, and people would be waiting to see if he speaks again, which he probably would eventually (I imagine him groaning "Scarlett..." in a weak voice when he sees her in trouble, and that would be all until a future sequel). Also, I add that while SE was originally portrayed as being blond, I am not at all opposed to the possibility of giving him dark hair or even making him be of Japanese decent.

You are exaggerating on Oliver Stone.

 

[Timstuff]

In what way? Am I exaggerating on what his GI Joe would be, or exaggerating that he is the wrong kind of guy to associate with GI Joe? My point is that someone who has a very openly negative opinion of the US government and military is the completely wrong type of person to produce a GI Joe movie. At least someone like Michael Bay is on good enough terms with the military that he can get real military personnel to be in his films. That is far closer to the kind of person that should be involved with GI Joe, regardless of whether you think Stone is a better director than Bay.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear the project is back on track. Hopefully TF makes a big splash at the BO so we get to see it happen!

 

[jrpstarwars]

My point is that someone who has a very openly negative opinion of the US government and military is the completely wrong type of person to produce a GI Joe movie.

Uh... most REAL vets don't have a positive opinion of the U.S. government and military. Sure, most agree boot camp is a good idea but you'll have to look long and hard to find any vets who say 'the U.S. government is great and I love the military.'

Actually, since G.I. Joe IS a non traditional military organization I think the writer/director team of Tarantino and Stone would be perfect.

From the tacky codenames to the clownish uniforms to the strange humor, G.I. Joe is anything but a military film. It's not Platoon, Apocalypse Now, or Saving Private Ryan. If anything I see it being alot like 'Independence Day' with Cobra taking the place of the aliens.

 

[papagrande]

If this guy could act he would be the perfect Duke

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.profootballhof.com/assets/story_image/long_bust072900.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.profootballhof.com/history/release.jsp%3Frelease_id%3D751&h=400&w=283&sz=66&tbnid=Ac0VAObZ7R8cCM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=88&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhowie%2Blong%26um%3D1&start=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=1

 

[papagrande]

sorry wrong link


http://www.profootballhof.com/history/release.jsp?release_id=751

 

[TheDemon'sHead]

Originally Posted by jrpstarwars
From the tacky codenames to the clownish uniforms to the strange humor, G.I. Joe is anything but a military film. It's not Platoon, Apocalypse Now, or Saving Private Ryan. If anything I see it being alot like 'Independence Day' with Cobra taking the place of the aliens.

And with that I would not want to see it.

 

[Timstuff]

Agreed. GI Joe needs to be something akin to an Arnold Schwarzenegger action movie, offering big, loud, manly fun. I always imagined the action being like the shootout from Predator, only carried throughout and entire 2 hour film.

And jrpstarwars, if you knew about Oliver Stone's current project, you'd know that his opinion of government and military affairs goes FAR beyond criticism of the current descisions being made. I do not want to open up a can of worms here, so I'll let you do the research yourself. The point is that a director's views are reflected in their work, and in Stone's case, I do not think his views would resemble those presented in the show.

As for Tarantino... Ugh. He's an overrated crazy man who made a couple of stupid but entertaining movies. And we'll leave it at that.