Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) - Part 1

DarthSkywalker said:
Great, now I need to reevaluate all your postings in the political and Star Wars sections. :o
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I would have though it was common knowledge that I am the guy that hates Infinity War. My opinions are suspect.

And as always, the first hours of rottentomatoes is a journey, not a set data point. If it settles into the 50% category, I think it is fine to call it mixed. And some of the criticisms people have mentioned can be expected. There have been a lot of great visuals, no doubt. But there have been more than enough shots in the trailers to make one worried about a big grey mess on screen.

Still going to Imax on Thur.
 
Three of those reviews simply came off as pretentious and snarky hyperbole.


The film well could be crap but reading those just made me think of the silly over the top rants I see regularly here on the Hype.

I'm fine if this is Rotten since critic consensus has never factored into my enjoyment of a movie in the least.

Yeah, it may be "bad" but I won't know until I see it. I was never expecting this to deliver what say, Avengers Endgame did in the first place.
 
a user said:
52% now from 38%. That's better.

But really, how many Toho movies with monsters fighting have we watched for the characters or plot? Why are we about to start now?
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I mean I am probably going to see this and I think it will probably get close to fresh territory at least. But this reminds me of a mindset about superhero flicks before we started getting legit superhero flicks. The best discussion in this thread has been about plot and characters. How this was all going to be tied together to produce a truly memorable experience. I don't watch Jurassic World 2. I want a movie that engages me the same way the best big blockbusters do.
 
Sithborg said:
I would have though it was common knowledge that I am the guy that hates Infinity War. My opinions are suspect.

And as always, the first hours of rottentomatoes is a journey, not a set data point. If it settles into the 50% category, I think it is fine to call it mixed. And some of the criticisms people have mentioned can be expected. There have been a lot of great visuals, no doubt. But there have been more than enough shots in the trailers to make one worried about a big grey mess on screen.

Still going to Imax on Thur.
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:hehe:

But The Incredibles 2, Teen Titans Go to the Movies and Into the Spider-Verse. :atp:

Early RT is fun. Especially when only a few reviews come out at first. Makes everything one giant mess that can swing either way.
 
KRYPTON INC. said:
Three of those reviews simply came off as pretentious and snarky hyperbole.


The film well could be crap but reading those just made me think of the silly over the top rants I see regularly here on the Hype.

I'm fine if this is Rotten since critic consensus has never factored into my enjoyment of a movie in the least.

Yeah, it may be "bad" but I won't know until I see it. I was never expecting this to deliver what say, Avengers Endgame did in the first place.
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Prententious in what way Krypton? I'm curious but not trusting of the critics enough to read the actual reviews. (Spoilers)
 
KRYPTON INC. said:
Three of those reviews simply came off as pretentious and snarky hyperbole.


The film well could be crap but reading those just made me think of the silly over the top rants I see regularly here on the Hype.

I'm fine if this is Rotten since critic consensus has never factored into my enjoyment of a movie in the least.

Yeah, it may be "bad" but I won't know until I see it. I was never expecting this to deliver what say, Avengers Endgame did in the first place.
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I am not imagining a Godzilla movie where this Godzilla travels back in time to pick all the different Godzilla's to take on US Godzilla and her kids.
 
DarthSkywalker said:
I am curious. What has happened in the last few months to make you not trust critics?
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I have seen the light and realized that most of them are biased and shallow in their reviews. This is all I'll say on the matter because this is the Godzilla thread, a movie that critics really hate apparently
 
Let's not forget all of a sudden the 58% from critics (including a 52% from the Top Critics) for Aladdin and the 94% from audience members.
 
Abudefduf said:
I have seen the light and realized that most of them are biased and shallow in their reviews. This is all I'll say on the matter because this is the Godzilla thread, a movie that critics really hate apparently
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This isn't a hated movie. This is a mixed reaction movie. Now Hellboy, THAT was a hated movie. Rotten doesn't automatically mean hated.
 
Abudefduf said:
I have seen the light and realized that most of them are biased and shallow in their reviews. This is all I'll say on the matter because this is the Godzilla thread, a movie that critics really hate apparently
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Well I just see reviewers for what they are. Reviewers of film. Some are nice, some pretentious, others seem to know a lot about film, others not so much. Most of the time I agree with the RT score, others times I don't. Looking at RT right now though, they say John Wick, Us, Booksmart and Endgame are all rather awesume. I agree with that. But grouping the vast majority in the biased and shallow category just seems... extreme. Especially when you start talking about seeing the light.
 
As culturally iconic as Godzilla is....

Godzilla films are still very niche. Most people don't get them. I've seen them all and honestly I can only say I enjoyed the human stories for like maybe 7 of them
 
The Chris said:
Prententious in what way Krypton? I'm curious but not trusting of the critics enough to read the actual reviews. (Spoilers)
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A thing all three of those reviews had in common was ragging on the characters for seeming to be broadly drawn. They might be. They likely are... AND? That tells me nothing and kinda indicates the only legitimate kind of character is something out of a deep character study. But this is genre work. The characters in some of the best and most well like genre franchises are often broadly drawn for a variety of reasons. Star Wars, Bond, Mission Impossible and sorry to say, even the beloved behemoth that is the MCU... Raging Bull they ain't. But that's not putting yhose creations down. Those characters and films can and often are still entertaining, engaging and even at times emotionally resonant.

The human characters in this could well be grating, too paper thin or sum such. I haven't seen the movie to judge. But those reviews to me seemed to go in with some lofty assed expectations and some assumptions that I find tiresome because I've heard them all before. I mean, again, I've not seen it but a one star review? Really? That's no different than the hyperbolic reviews we get from the internet iconoclast syndrome sufferer types here on the Hype.

This might be a disappointing movie. But reading those three reviews felt less like a measured discussion starter on a film's good or bad points and more like the silly hyperbolic statements hurled out into the void that constitute far to much of the online fan world. Reviewers and critics becoming more like US isn't actually a good thing given how much inanities, group think and silly nit picking on display in places like the Hype there are daily, hourly really.
 
DarthSkywalker said:
I am not imagining a Godzilla movie where this Godzilla travels back in time to pick all the different Godzilla's to take on US Godzilla and her kids.
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The sad part is you kinda summed up the Heisei Godzilla Vs. Ghidorah film to an oddly accurate degree. :funny:
 
a user said:
52% now from 38%. That's better.

But really, how many Toho movies with monsters fighting have we watched for the characters or plot? Why are we about to start now?
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54% now. Mid-50s going on high 50s, hopefully.
 
I think I'm going to like this regardless of what ever critics say. I just watched Godzilla, mothra and king ghidorah giant monsters all out attack last night, watched the gamera trilogy last week and will watch Shin Godzilla again this week just to get in the mood for some quality monster action come friday. I know i'm in the minority when it comes to godzilla movies but I think this one is going to be good fun no matter what anyone says about it.
 
I still think there's a very decent chance this ends up fresh

And if not...look what Aladdin is doing with a 58%.

The only thing I'm. Worried about is what a slow start to reviews will do to the already kind of low projections.
 
KRYPTON INC. said:
A thing all three of those reviews had in common was ragging on the characters for seeming to be broadly drawn. They might be. They likely are... AND? That tells me nothing and kinda indicates the only legitimate kind of character is something out of a deep character study. But this is genre work. The characters in some of the best and most well like genre franchises are often broadly drawn for a variety of reasons. Star Wars, Bond, Mission Impossible and sorry to say, even the beloved behemoth that is the MCU... Raging Bull they ain't. But that's not putting yhose creations down. Those characters and films can and often are still entertaining, engaging and even at times emotionally resonant.

The human characters in this could well be grating, too paper thin or sum such. I haven't seen the movie to judge. But those reviews to me seemed to go in with some lofty assed expectations and some assumptions that I find tiresome because I've heard them all before. I mean, again, I've not seen it but a one star review? Really? That's no different than the hyperbolic reviews we get from the internet iconoclast syndrome sufferer types here on the Hype.

This might be a disappointing movie. But reading those three reviews felt less like a measured discussion starter on a film's good or bad points and more like the silly hyperbolic statements hurled out into the void that constitute far to much of the online fan world. Reviewers and critics becoming more like US isn't actually a good thing given how much inanities, group think and silly nit picking on display in places like the Hype there are daily, hourly really.
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A question, as I have no idea who these reviewers are, or if they did anything else. But if this is a common complaint, would that not say something about the movie? It isn't like Mission Impossible, Marvel, Bond, Star Wars or even John Wick are hurting out here in terms of reviews. Also I do think you are selling the better films in those series a bit short. At least in terms of the main characters.
 
KRYPTON INC. said:
A thing all three of those reviews had in common was ragging on the characters for seeming to be broadly drawn. They might be. They likely are... AND? That tells me nothing and kinda indicates the only legitimate kind of character is something out of a deep character study. But this is genre work. The characters in some of the best and most well like genre franchises are often broadly drawn for a variety of reasons. Star Wars, Bond, Mission Impossible and sorry to say, even the beloved behemoth that is the MCU... Raging Bull they ain't. But that's not putting yhose creations down. Those characters and films can and often are still entertaining, engaging and even at times emotionally resonant.

The human characters in this could well be grating, too paper thin or sum such. I haven't seen the movie to judge. But those reviews to me seemed to go in with some lofty assed expectations and some assumptions that I find tiresome because I've heard them all before. I mean, again, I've not seen it but a one star review? Really? That's no different than the hyperbolic reviews we get from the internet iconoclast syndrome sufferer types here on the Hype.

This might be a disappointing movie. But reading those three reviews felt less like a measured discussion starter on a film's good or bad points and more like the silly hyperbolic statements hurled out into the void that constitute far to much of the online fan world. Reviewers and critics becoming more like US isn't actually a good thing given how much inanities, group think and silly nit picking on display in places like the Hype there are daily, hourly really.
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And yet those things you mentioned were much better-reviewed. As are others you didn’t mention that could also make that claim, like the John Wick movies. So wouldn’t logic suggest that maybe this problem is just that much worse in this film compared to those in their eyes? Or that other elements fail to compensate for it?
 
MahvelBaby! said:
I still think there's a very decent chance this ends up fresh

And if not...look what Aladdin is doing with a 58%.

The only thing I'm. Worried about is what a slow start to reviews will do to the already kind of low projections.
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And Venom with a 29%.
 
Yeah I actually hated venom but a lot people loved it and it did great.
 
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