Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) - Part 1

[TheVileOne]

Hurricane Helms beat The Rock once in 2003.

I could see Godzilla vs. Kong doing better, but the franchise is definitely in trouble right now.

They shouldn't have waited 5 years to do this movie. That simple.

 

[Sithborg]

Probably Skull Island but it has my favorite attributes of both films in it. The darker overall visual style of 2014 but the beautiful use of color and insane amount of monster fights like in Skull Island. But I feel like the monsters have more character to them in King of the Monsters over skull island and are more memorable. Doesn't hurt that they're all legends already.

Kong has plenty of character. That was one of the biggest things it had over '14. Now, the monsters are given plenty of characterization through emoting, but I think it is hard to have as much as Kong did, due to sharing screen time and, frankly, being non-mamilian.

 

[The Chris]

Kong has plenty of character. That was one of the biggest things it had over '14. Now, the monsters are given plenty of characterization through emoting, but I think it is hard to have as much as Kong did, due to sharing screen time and, frankly, being non-mamilian.

As a whole is what I mean. You see it in Kong but not too much in the rest. Ghidorah has way more character just from his intro than any of the skull crawlers.

 

[2kt09]

Shin Godzilla says otherwise.

Monster Planet trilogy also exclaims otherwise

 

[Ninjablade]

It seems rather split. And in the MoS way, more so then the BvS way.

For those who have seen all three now, I am watching Kong right now and it ain't great, but I am genuinely enjoying it. Would you say this film has more in common with 2014 or Skull Island?

Been a while since I've seen Skull Island, but from what I do: King of the Monsters has a very similar kind of structure and balance of human/monster aspects of Kong, but almost all the same faults 'Zill 14 has.

 

[The Chris]

Shin Godzilla says otherwise.

I need to give that one another shot. I don't think I was as enamoured by the politics as much as others were, probably there was no one to me as interesting in those scenes as Dr. Serizawa from the 54 film. The Godzilla parts were pretty damn horrifying though, in a completely positive way.

 

[Arachnerd]

I could see Godzilla vs. Kong doing better, but the franchise is definitely in trouble right now.

They shouldn't have waited 5 years to do this movie. That simple.

You've been repeating the same point ad nauseam. We get the point, jeez.

 

[superion]

Re “nothing left for him to do”:

Spoiler

They spend a metric crap ton of this movie setting up Megalon. If I didn’t already know Kong was next I would have guessed that’s the next big bad.

Meh, no one will care about that character. If they didn't come out for Ghidorah they sure as hell won't for that.

 

[superion]

Using this type of logic, Avatar2 is doomed to fail

Avatar was the biggest movie of all time (not adjusted for inflation) and it will be directed by Cameron one of the directors along with Spielberg whose name alone gets people into theaters. Not exactly the same thing.

 

[Arachnerd]

I don't think Avatar 2 will make much bank, really. The first one came out at a time when creating these huge CG landscapes (not to mention 3D was basically in a coma at that point) was very few and far between in comparison to today. Those elements helped the movie at the box office because on the technical front, it was fantastic and the general audience had never seen something on that scale before.

Now a decade later, CG landscapes have become the norm, so the sequel won't be as impressive visually if it still has a cliche story and characters.

 

[Roose Bolton]

It should be some HP Lovecraft like stuff. I mean its all there to be done.

There’s some stuff in the anime films with the aliens that was kind of going in that direction. If they did that on the big screen, it’d make a really fresh antagonistic group.

 

[Arachnerd]

The anime trilogy had so much potential. So much. Le sigh.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't think Avatar 2 will make much bank, really. The first one came out at a time when creating these huge CG landscapes (not to mention 3D was basically in a coma at that point) was very few and far between in comparison to today. Those elements helped the movie at the box office because on the technical front, it was fantastic and the general audience had never seen something on that scale before.

Now a decade later, CG landscapes have become the norm, so the sequel won't be as impressive visually if it still has a cliche story and characters.

Avatar 2 will make bank. It won't do as well domestically I think, but it is going to dominate over seas. Especially with the Disney machine to sell it. It could do 40% of the business of the first film and it would make bank.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The anime trilogy had so much potential. So much. Le sigh.

What happened to it?

 

[Sithborg]

What happened to it?

Not what a lot of people were expecting. A bit low on the monster action.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not what a lot of people were expecting. A bit low on the monster action.

I see. That does seem strange for an animated feature.

So finished Skull Island. I had a lot of fun with it for about the first 80 mins. I really dig their Kong, though I was kind of surprised there weren't more beast for Kong to do battle with. But the last act felt overly long imo. Like they could have done a lot of that work in half the time, and just made one long action sequence, as opposed to cutting it into two, with a lot of unnecessary fluff between.

 

[MadVillainy]

OT: People mentioning The Rock a few pages back made me remember that Rampage was on HBO. I just checked it out. While it wasn't good and was pretty stupid...I can't even lie I liked the climax of that movie over the climax in either Godzilla film. Maybe just because gorillas are my favorite animal, but those last 20 mins of Rampage delivered on monster action.
For sure both Godzillas are better though. But that's the kinda monster action I like

 

[Oliver1986]

I don't think Avatar 2 will make much bank, really. The first one came out at a time when creating these huge CG landscapes (not to mention 3D was basically in a coma at that point) was very few and far between in comparison to today. Those elements helped the movie at the box office because on the technical front, it was fantastic and the general audience had never seen something on that scale before.

Now a decade later, CG landscapes have become the norm, so the sequel won't be as impressive visually if it still has a cliche story and characters.

You're absolutely right.

 

[Binker]

I kept thinking of how people responded to the human story in KOTM, and I still find no fault in it. Vera's character reminds of me of how people saw Bane in TDKR and Lex in BvS; people hated those characters for who and what those characters were, and my response was "yeah? that's how you're suppose to feel!" Dance's character is the same, but beyond that, nothing wrong with Serizawa, the dad, nor Millie or anybody. So IDK "shrug"

Also, the talk about "I go for the monster action" is understandable, but the way they're saying it, they would've wanted 10-20% of human story, the rest with the monsters, with the human scenes being short and just there to lead to the longer monster scenes. That is not only impossible, its unrealistic.

Again, I just don't get the negative response. And this ain't my first rodeo.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

Meh, no one will care about that character. If they didn't come out for Ghidorah they sure as hell won't for that.

Not saying they would, only that the film sure spends a lot of time setting him up, arguably more than Kong.

 

[MadVillainy]

I kept thinking of how people responded to the human story in KOTM, and I still find no fault in it. Vera's character reminds of me of how people saw Bane in TDKR and Lex in BvS; people hated those characters for who and what those characters were, and my response was "yeah? that's how you're suppose to feel!" Dance's character is the same, but beyond that, nothing wrong with Serizawa, the dad, nor Millie or anybody. So IDK "shrug"

Also, the talk about "I go for the monster action" is understandable, but the way they're saying it, they would've wanted 10-20% of human story, the rest with the monsters, with the human scenes being short and just there to lead to the longer monster scenes. That is not only impossible, its unrealistic.

Again, I just don't get the negative response. And this ain't my first rodeo.

Did people hate Bane in TDKR? But I do agree with your point. I personally didn't hate the human characters in this or Kong Skull Island. But I do think the heroes in KOTM could've been a bit better.
And for sure the whole "I go for the monster action" point I've said before is beyond silly. So I agree with you there as well

Also think you're kinda confusing something. There's a difference in hating a character like Lex for how he's acted and betrayed vs hating a character because of a movie is telling you to like Voldemort

 

[Roose Bolton]

The anime trilogy had so much potential. So much. Le sigh.

It’s definitely more a philosophical Gen Urobuchi story than a traditional Godzilla story, but I’ve been able to appreciate it more knowing that King of the Monsters exists and now having seen it.

 

[kane9321]

Just got back from seeing Godzilla...The monsters were great...but the plot was a mess. Why everytime the monsters start to fight they break off into some silly human element crap. I dont want to see millie bobbi brown yelling and screaming during a fight.. I was very disappointed

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

We all pretty much seen the movie, let’s be real:

Spoiler

Eleven should’ve died when Ghidorah fired that electrical bolt her way. That’s when I was like come on.

 

[superion]

For those who say the Avatar sequels won't make that much bank. Many people including myself thought the same thing about Jurrasic World. Than it went and made $1.6 billion world wide. I expect the first Avatar sequel to do as well or better.