Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) - Part 1

[Roose Bolton]

Favorite action sequence was definitely the "birth" of Rodan. It was so thrilling in IMAX.

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Needed WAY more Mothra.

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I could have done with more Mothra too...but I was glad every scene she was in was stunning.

 

[redhawk23]

I think he is a cool dude, and he gave me some of my favorite shots in Star Wars. But what he got done should have gave him a blank check to do whatever he wants. And he doesn't have that. At the same time, it seems like they wanted to replace him on Godzilla and they brought in someone else to "help" with Rogue One. He could be telling the truth, but something doesn't smell right about it imo.

He actually kept them on the hook with Godzilla 2 and caused a fairly massive delay (Which also opened up a loophole that allowed Toho to make Shin Godzilla)

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I am seeing a lot of love for Mothra. Sorry if this has already been done, but how would you all rank the portrayals of the Kaiju?

 

[Man in the Suit]

KOTM Soundtrack on Vinyl - Art by Christopher Shy​

 

[redhawk23]

I am seeing a lot of love for Mothra. Sorry if this has already been done, but how would you all rank the portrayals of the Kaiju?

Could have used more of Mothra but honestly the presentation of all the Toho monsters are top goddamn notch in this movie. Whatever other qualms I have with movie, they were all handled very well, particularly Ghidorah, for whom even the heads were given individual personalities, particularly the left head, who kept getting distracted eating people.

 

[Sithborg]

I am seeing a lot of love for Mothra. Sorry if this has already been done, but how would you all rank the portrayals of the Kaiju?

The portrayals were great. There is a reason why people are wanting more Mothra, specifically. They did a great job of getting the monsters to emote. Which was really fun with Ghidorah, having three heads emoting differently. It is hard for me to rank them, because they were all so good, despite a difference in screen time.

 

[Sithborg]

Could have used more of Mothra but honestly the presentation of all the Toho monsters are top goddamn notch in this movie. Whatever other qualms I have with movie, they were all handled very well, particularly Ghidorah, for whom even the heads were given individual personalities, particularly the left head, who kept getting distracted eating people.

Good ol'Lefty. And always getting picked on by the head head.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I am seeing a lot of love for Mothra. Sorry if this has already been done, but how would you all rank the portrayals of the Kaiju?

Yeah I think they were all pretty even in terms of how greatly they were depicted. I could have used more scenes with Rodan and Mothra, but every single time they showed up it was pitch perfect and they all seemed like genuine characters with emotion and sentience.

Ghidorah’s probably my favourite villain of this year until Sheev shows up in December.

 

[The Big G]

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I could have done with more Mothra too...but I was glad every scene she was in was stunning.

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Her shanking Rodan is still the top moment of the movie for me.

I am seeing a lot of love for Mothra. Sorry if this has already been done, but how would you all rank the portrayals of the Kaiju?

I think they got done justice. I think Rodan and Mothra could have gotten more time. But they were Platinum with the time they had.

KG stole the show IMO.

Cinematic Villain of 2019.

 

[Roose Bolton]

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Her shanking Rodan is still the top moment of the movie for me.

The look of abject shock on his face was great.

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When she came out of the clouds to web Ghidorah’s heads to the skyscraper was a pretty great Gandalf/Helm’s Deep moment too. Coupled with Ghidorah’s “oh ****” reaction when he saw Godzilla’s reflection.

 

[Zorro]

Monster feature goodness! Yeah the human characters were mostly iffy but whatever. Godzilla and other monsters were in full beast mode

 

[a user]

Curious Ghidorah head was my favorite monster in the movie. Its distraction and the alpha head nudging it during the scene of submerging from the ice reminded me of Ed from The Lion King and Donny from The Big Lebowski.

 

[The Big G]

The look of abject shock on his face was great.

Rodan was Rob and Mothra was Roose...

God do I need to make that a meme

 

[a user]

Still don't understand the RT score and critics badmouthing it. I mean what did you expect? What do you want? This movie was great. Nothing bad they've said is in the movie, tbh.

2014 Godzilla, certified 75%:

"With just enough human drama to anchor the sweeping spectacle of giant monsters smashing everything in sight, Gareth Edwards' Godzilla satisfyingly restores the franchise's fire-breathing glory."

..... What human drama? Return to the franchise's fire-breathing glory, indeed legit.....

KotM, 39%:

"Godzilla: King of the Monsters delivers spectacular kaiju action -- and reaffirms that cutting-edge effects are still no substitute for a good story."

..... Need I mention that said 'franchise's fire-breathing glory' comes from the monster action, not the 'human drama' (which is actually much better in this movie)?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

2014 Godzilla, certified 75%:

"With just enough human drama to anchor the sweeping spectacle of giant monsters smashing everything in sight, Gareth Edwards' Godzilla satisfyingly restores the franchise's fire-breathing glory."

..... What human drama? Return to the franchise's fire-breathing glory, indeed legit.....

• KotM, 39%:
"Godzilla: King of the Monsters delivers spectacular kaiju action -- and reaffirms that cutting-edge effects are still no substitute for a good story."

..... Need I mention that said 'franchise's fire-breathing glory' comes from the monster action, not the 'human drama' (which is actually much better in this movie)?

A different collection of reviewers, perhaps they were more forgiving of a franchise restart that they thought was trying, they just didn't like it this time around. I mean I could see a situation where they entered the theater and got what they felt was a similar experience and they just weren't up for it this time.

I see plenty of fans who enjoyed it. That is great. I have seen plenty who didn't. That sucks. But why is it when fans like or don't like something, it becomes a referendum on the critics? If you are secure in your opinion, what does it matter?

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Did I say this will make 75 mill? I never even mentioned that. Don't know where you pulled that from. But clearly the studio probably thought that it'd gross better by marketing it more and giving it a bigger budget.

You need to "Be Real" and recognize that when you make a movie that cost somewhere between $170-$200 mill to make, that it only grossing $50 mill domestically, where studios get most of their money isn't good. Especially with the competition surrounding the movie and when the opening weekend is where most movies make a majority of their money.

You should also be real and look at the fact that Godzilla 2014 grossed $93 mill it's opening weekend. Dropping from $93 mill to $50 mill isn't good. In any shape, form, or universe. Especially when this opened in more theaters than Godzilla 2014 and they spent more money making this than Godzilla 2014

So you shouldn't be ignorant and look at numbers and facts. Instead of relying on your fanboyism.

In no way, shape or form is 45 million a “flop”.
I don’t care how you go about it.

Let’s see how much it makes in its box office run before “studios should be worried”

Your fear mongering is pathetic. It really is.

 

[a user]

A different collection of reviewers, perhaps they were more forgiving of a franchise restart that they thought was trying, they just didn't like it this time around. I mean I could see a situation where they entered the theater and got what they felt was a similar experience and they just weren't up for it this time.

I see plenty of fans who enjoyed it. That is great. I have seen plenty who didn't. That sucks. But why is it when fans like or don't like something, it becomes a referendum on the critics? If you are secure in your opinion, what does it matter?

I'm not saying that it matters, nor did I mean to come across as saying such. Just didn't think their words made a lot of sense, but maybe you explained it well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

In no way, shape or form is 45 million a “flop”.
I don’t care how you go about it.

Let’s see how much it makes in its box office run before “studios should be worried”

Your fear mongering is pathetic. It really is.

You are showing a fundamental lack of understanding of box office numbers. Go over to BoxOfficeTheory and tell them that 45m with 130m overseas (including China) is fine for a 200m dollar flick.

 

[redhawk23]

In no way, shape or form is 45 million a “flop”.
I don’t care how you go about it.

Let’s see how much it makes in its box office run before “studios should be worried”

Your fear mongering is pathetic. It really is.

There's a pretty consistent pattern to how box office plays pit these days. Fairly predictable based on the opening weekend and the studios have structured themselves, the marketing and their deals with theaters and international distributors to make their money early on. They benefit from front loading. 45 million for opening weekend for a film thst probably cost upwards of 175 million to make and likely almost as much to market is not a success, no matter how you play it. Opening with half of thewhat your first movie made is a horrible sign. Grosses will only drop from there and movies don't play long enough in theaters for even moderately good legs to matter.

This film will get a sequel imly because it's already been shot.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I am reading some other sites, and just looking at the multiplier for the 2014 film, no matter how cool this one looked, it was always going to have an uphill battle. I do think a lot of people convinced themselves that 2014 went over well enough. But a sequel to a movie with poor legs and a 5 year gap, this was always going to be hard.

 

[TheVileOne]

I thought this film was a lot better than Kong Skull Island, which was way too campy and silly for my tastes.

Also it's strange, even Kong Skull Island is certified fresh at 75 percent.

 

[Roose Bolton]

What this film has going for it in that regard is that it is really a fanboy affair, and I think perhaps moreso than Gareth’s film this one probably does benefit from repeat viewings. Now I don’t know that’ll be enough to save it domestically, but I could see it sticking in there longer than G14 did.

 

[TheVileOne]

The problem is if this film opens lower than Kong Skull Island. The 2014 movie had an opening weekend of $93 million.

This film might open with only $50 million. By comparison Skull Island opened with $61 million and finished at $168 million domestic.

Film would need massive legs to break even. Also the 2014 movie didn't do massive business overseas, only $328 million internationally.

The difference with Marvel is that the franchises grow at the box office. With the Monsterverse, it's been a steady decline.

 

[Ozbridge]

In no way, shape or form is 45 million a “flop”.

I won't comment on whether 45M is a flop for a 185M budget movie (because that depends on how much overseas make) but that's similar to Dumbo opening to 46M on a 170M budget. Dumbo will probably eventually break even far down the line but that's definitely a big disappointment. KOTM will probably make 50-80M worldwide more than Dumbo but that includes 100M more than Dumbo from China (where studio get 25-27% instead of 40%, or 2/3 of the normal cut from overseas markets). Assuming a budget of 185M that studio announced and not the 200M+ Deadline's "source" said then it also meant a break even very far down the line. Unlike Dumbo which was probably partly made for Disney+ and can be shrugged off by Disney (and no one expects a sequel from it anyway) Monsterverse is one of the hopeful franchises of WB and after this performance it doesn't bode well for GvK.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'll say it right now, a $45 million opening weekend would be a flop for this film. It would not bode well for the future of this series and Kong vs. Godzilla.

Waiting five years to make the sequel was idiotic. They should not have waited that long. It was downright moronic. It hurt Star Trek as well because they burned out a lot of the momentum.