Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) - Part 1

[MbJ]

We better hope Kong hasn't already grown a mustache.

 

[superion]

Kong vs. Godzilla will probably be the end of the Monsterverse which is fine by me. After he fights Ghidorah and Kong there is nothing left for him to do anyway. Unless WB can get the license for Gamera and have a Godzilla vs. Gamera showdown.

I think Legendary's agreement with Toho ends for Godzilla, Rodan etc after Godzilla/Kong. If the box office returns for GKOM is low they will probably let the license lapse.

Don't expect much legs for this movie. It's drop from its opening day take through the weekend was poor and it will probably have a big drop next weekend as well.

 

[Zantera]

I'm pretty tired of the military/science angle they shove into all of these movies. Godzilla 98, Godzilla 2014 and now this one all put a lot of time on characters in or around the military and you get a lot of characters in control rooms saying nonsense stuff. I rolled my eyes so many times whenever someone said something along the lines of "we got 5 minutes before things go bad" or "monster X is almost here to fight monster Y now".

I feel like if they focused the movie on some people who weren't part of the government and basically innocent bystanders it would feel more interesting to me. Some guy is at work when things go down and he has to make it home to his daughter and evacuate from the city OR something like that. Not saying its revolutionary, but if done right you could give some emotional heart to a movie that also has monsters fighting each other. I'd much rather take that then military guys talking about how much they're gonna blow **** up. War of the Worlds comes to mind with Tom Cruise as the center point with crazy stuff happening around a normal family. I haven't seen Cloverfield but I've heard that one is also kinda similar where the main characters see things as they unfold?

 

[MadVillainy]

How on earth I saw this post baffles me as you are on my ignore list for good reason.

Hellboy is a flop. 45-50 million is NOT a flop. Let’s see what it makes during its box office run before we label it a flop shall we.

Multiple people have told you this but you keep closing your eyes and ignoring it. Grossing 45-50 mill stateside when you spent 170-200 mill before marketing to make the movie is not good. And multiple people have given you multiple reasons why.
I don't understand what your deal is. No one is doing it with malice or anything like that. We're just looking at the facts. Unless this has great legs, 50 mill is not a good start. Especially when you look at the Friday to Saturday drop.

I do agree flop is the wrong word. But it for sure is under performing.

But again as multiple people have mentioned, GvK is already filmed and good to go for the most part.

I'm pretty tired of the military/science angle they shove into all of these movies. Godzilla 98, Godzilla 2014 and now this one all put a lot of time on characters in or around the military and you get a lot of characters in control rooms saying nonsense stuff. I rolled my eyes so many times whenever someone said something along the lines of "we got 5 minutes before things go bad" or "monster X is almost here to fight monster Y now".

I feel like if they focused the movie on some people who weren't part of the government and basically innocent bystanders it would feel more interesting to me. Some guy is at work when things go down and he has to make it home to his daughter and evacuate from the city OR something like that. Not saying its revolutionary, but if done right you could give some emotional heart to a movie that also has monsters fighting each other. I'd much rather take that then military guys talking about how much they're gonna blow **** up. War of the Worlds comes to mind with Tom Cruise as the center point with crazy stuff happening around a normal family. I haven't seen Cloverfield but I've heard that one is also kinda similar where the main characters see things as they unfold?

To the bolded: I would really enjoy something like that.
And yeah Cloverfield is pretty much like that. Some people didn't like the characters, but I thought they were fine.

 

[Lighthouse]

I'm pretty tired of the military/science angle they shove into all of these movies. Godzilla 98, Godzilla 2014 and now this one all put a lot of time on characters in or around the military and you get a lot of characters in control rooms saying nonsense stuff. I rolled my eyes so many times whenever someone said something along the lines of "we got 5 minutes before things go bad" or "monster X is almost here to fight monster Y now".

I feel like if they focused the movie on some people who weren't part of the government and basically innocent bystanders it would feel more interesting to me. Some guy is at work when things go down and he has to make it home to his daughter and evacuate from the city OR something like that. Not saying its revolutionary, but if done right you could give some emotional heart to a movie that also has monsters fighting each other. I'd much rather take that then military guys talking about how much they're gonna blow **** up. War of the Worlds comes to mind with Tom Cruise as the center point with crazy stuff happening around a normal family. I haven't seen Cloverfield but I've heard that one is also kinda similar where the main characters see things as they unfold?

Isn't that what Cloverfield was? People had problems with that approach too.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I'm pretty tired of the military/science angle they shove into all of these movies. Godzilla 98, Godzilla 2014 and now this one all put a lot of time on characters in or around the military and you get a lot of characters in control rooms saying nonsense stuff. I rolled my eyes so many times whenever someone said something along the lines of "we got 5 minutes before things go bad" or "monster X is almost here to fight monster Y now".

I feel like if they focused the movie on some people who weren't part of the government and basically innocent bystanders it would feel more interesting to me. Some guy is at work when things go down and he has to make it home to his daughter and evacuate from the city OR something like that. Not saying its revolutionary, but if done right you could give some emotional heart to a movie that also has monsters fighting each other. I'd much rather take that then military guys talking about how much they're gonna blow **** up. War of the Worlds comes to mind with Tom Cruise as the center point with crazy stuff happening around a normal family. I haven't seen Cloverfield but I've heard that one is also kinda similar where the main characters see things as they unfold?

So like Cloverfield?

 

[MadVillainy]

I mean he mentioned Cloverfield in his post and how it'd be similar.

That approach sounds way more interesting to me.

Or if they do a military thing. Just have a military guy getting from point A to B. Like Skull Island, a lot of the cast was military but they wren't locked in a control room and all that.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Multiple people have told you this but you keep closing your eyes and ignoring it. Grossing 45-50 mill stateside when you spent 170-200 mill before marketing to make the movie is not good. And multiple people have given you multiple reasons why.
I don't understand what your deal is. No one is doing it with malice or anything like that. We're just looking at the facts. Unless this has great legs, 50 mill is not a good start. Especially when you look at the Friday to Saturday drop.

I do agree flop is the wrong word. But it for sure is under performing.

But again as multiple people have mentioned, GvK is already filmed and good to go for the most part.

To the bolded: I would really enjoy something like that.
And yeah Cloverfield is pretty much like that. Some people didn't like the characters, but I thought they were fine.

I’m not saying it’s a success by any means but it isn’t a disaster like some are making it out to be. Let’s end this now as I’m tired of the back and forth.

 

[MadVillainy]

I’m not saying it’s a success by any means but it isn’t a disaster like some are making it out to be. Let’s end this now as I’m tired of the back and forth.

No one is making it out to be a disaster on here except for you. Some of just pointing out that it's not doing well. I don't think anyone said the word "flop" until you said it.

If you don't want the back and forth, stop saying wrong things and getting mad when people point out that you're incorrect.

 

[Prettyricky]

I was kind of hoping for a bigger turn out/ haul then that. I guess audiences aren't that into giant monsters anymore.

 

[redhawk23]

How on earth I saw this post baffles me as you are on my ignore list for good reason.

Hellboy is a flop. 45-50 million is NOT a flop. Let’s see what it makes during its box office run before we label it a flop shall we.

It is when your movie cost 200 million and distribution and gross sharing is structured for you to make your money at the start of a film's run. I'm sorry that you're personally invested in the movie being perceived as a success but that's just not the case.

 

[terry78]

We're into superheroes and horror.

 

[Arachnerd]

So... just to turn things around from the usual (but understandable) doomsaying in this thread, what are your guys' hopes for GvK and what would you like to see go down in it?

 

[terry78]

I feel like the Mecha version of you know who will play a part, if you saw the stinger.

 

[Arachnerd]

There's apparently an easter egg in the end credits regarding something similar.

Spoiler

Apparently Monarch is building a mechanic behemoth under Skull Island. MechaGodzilla foreshadowing, maybe?

 

[Lighthouse]

That little terrorist group's got some deep pockets.

 

[The Big G]

For @Roose Bolton

 

[terry78]

The movie did well enough, but I doubt anyone's career will be destroyed.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I liked it quite a bit and enjoyed myself. Better than the first movie in that it actually had likable characters with a kept simple human story that was enough and well done to care.

My biggest criticism was the directing. It was pretty standard and apart from wonderful individual shots, I didn't care how Dougherty chose to shoot the monsters. I get you need to show these giant monsters fighting, but they at times lacked weight. It felt less like these gods and forces of nature fighting and more like cartoons. Same with the destruction. It was all done in a straight forward way. You don't need to shoot them at ground level like the last movie, but there was an artistry to how that built into the giant monster brawl in the climax where by then you had the weight of it. An example is how you first see Godzilla in the opening scene. It's just executed in a pretty straightforward, wide shot with Godzilla in a straightforward composition. There isn't much build up, no dramatization in how you handle these things. Though Godzilla under the ocean is the rare case of doing this right. King Ghidorah's intro had a similar problem.

For all the problems I have with Edward's as a filmmaker, the man knows how to ****ing shoot a movie and create atmosphere.

If you take the directing of the first movie and this films script you pretty much got the ideal Godzilla movie.

 

[ironwez20]

I'll say it right now, a $45 million opening weekend would be a flop for this film. It would not bode well for the future of this series and Kong vs. Godzilla.

Waiting five years to make the sequel was idiotic. They should not have waited that long. It was downright moronic. It hurt Star Trek as well because they burned out a lot of the momentum.

Truth. It baffles me why they choose to wait five yrs for a sequel. But that’s wb for ya

 

[terry78]

They were trying to set up Kong first.

 

[a user]

$179 million worldwide so far, from a $170 million budget. We can hope, can't we?

 

[redhawk23]

Truth. It baffles me why they choose to wait five yrs for a sequel. But that’s wb for ya

Edwards was a big part of that delay they had held off while he was making Rogue One...and then he declined to return.

 

[Arachnerd]

I'm guessing the experience with Rogue One might have soured him on directing another big blockbuster film, either because of the effort or Disney's interference.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

So, just got back. It was...ok. Could have been like, an hour, shorter. Way too much people and way way way too much “kaijuverse” worldbuilding. I barely cared about a couple characters and did not care at all about all the mythology they’re setting up. What there was of giant monsters, emerging, causes destruction, fighting was all 10/10 awesomesauce. Everything else just got in the way. 6.5/10 overall.