Sequels "Going Wrath Of Khan":The Official MOS Action Thread

[Matt]

The reality of it, is you're not going to see Dini, Loeb, or Tim watching over a Superman movie. Nor are you going to get Rosenbaum or Durance as Lex and Lois.

Loeb is not that unrealistic. He has a background in film and television writing and production. Its not an impossibility. Especially with the success of Heroes and him being one of its producers.

 

[KaptainKrypton]

I was just throwing writers names out there. The main thing is teaming a great writer with someone who knows the source material like a Loeb, Timm, or Dini! I'm sure they could get Meyer to direct. I happy we agree that Nick Meyer is a good choice.

And I actually agree with you about Welling, but I like Durance a whole hell of alot better than Bosworth. And Spacey is a good actor yes, but I like Rosenbaum more for Lex. Just a preference. But again, Welling is not a good actor. He just hasn't progressed since season three. I feel his limited range holds the show back and I wish they would have cast a better performer. But on that note I feel the same way about Routh. I could go for a total recast, no one from Returns or Smallville. I'm sure a better Lex than Rosey or Spacey is out there, and I know for a fact someone better than Durance is out there, it was just me comparing Durance to Bosworth.

I also agree with you about using a damn Green Screen!

Meyer would undoubtedly find a way to slip some Shakespeare in the dialogue ala Trek or something and have it be real cool. I don't base Bosworth's portrayal of a cold fish Lois Lane on anything more than what was written. I didn't mind her being written that way, so that's probably why she didn't piss me off in the role so much. However, if you find fault at the root of the character (the writing) I can fully understand why you'd be less than thrilled to give her another shot in the role. Even though I liked SR a lot, I do feel that Routh got jipped on the dialogue front and wasn't given much time to display any potential of talent except for a few instances. I personally was a Cavill supporter during "The Wars" around here, or for Jim Caviezel, but I was mainly happy that it wasn't Welling.

 

[KaptainKrypton]

Loeb is not that unrealistic. He has a background in film and television writing and production. Its not an impossibility. Especially with the success of Heroes and him being one of its producers.

Word. Heck, Loeb and Tim Kring would be awesome for a Superman film, I think. Even if they didn't totally mimic the books, they'd be able to throw enough storyline curveballs to make the majority of geekdom pee their pants in shock.

 

[ChickenScratch]

You are correct on the budget thing, but I'll respecfully disagree on your point of being willing to watch a 2 and a half hour episode of Smallville (in terms of effects). Nothing against that show's effects but the fling on there for the most part does not do it for me.

I do feel that Singer got the flying right in the movie, the one thing I felt was done great.

 

[The Guard]

Explain how it was interesting and powerful? And I'm not being a smart ass!

Superman's beating and "fall" was pretty powerful stuff. The island made of Kryptonian tech and Kryptonite was fairly interesting as revenge devices go, and provided some fantastic visuals. And the scene where Superman, knowing he is going to die, uses the last of the strength his adopted world can provide to save billions is pretty darn powerful.

On that note, I'm sorry, but I hate this Luthor with a passion. I'm biased toward my hate, I'm sorry. I'm so sick of watching all these memorable villians in comic films, sci-fi, and the movie industry in general, and none are up against the Man of Steel.

I don't like elements of this version of Lex Luthor either, and like I said, it didn't reach his potential, but the portrayal wasn't a total loss.

 

[Super Kal]

Superman's beating and "fall" was pretty powerful stuff.

maybe to you but certainly not to me... that scene was just another incident of Superman once again not being Superman. The man didn't even put up a fight... he let Luthor beat him down like the b***h that he is in this franchise.

had there actually been a Superman in the movie, he would of put up so much more of a fight.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You know they could do the next Superman film for 300mil for all I care, I just want a good Superman movie.

 

[Showtime]

Loeb is not that unrealistic. He has a background in film and television writing and production. Its not an impossibility. Especially with the success of Heroes and him being one of its producers.

It's unrealistic because DC & WB like to keep their talent working in seperate branches. That is how they work, for the most part. It would have happened already if that wasn't their policy and there has been articles about it.

 

[Showtime]

Well, first thing is, I don't know why the movie heads think like that, and two, it's a damn shame. I'm just saying what needs to be done, not what will be. Superman got stuck with a horrible studio! Like I said, Kids, Kryptonian Civil Wars, Immaculate conceptions, Spiders, etc etc. It's a joke!

Like I said, I don't really care if Rosenbaum or Durance were in it!

WB has been doing this all along, they keep all their branches as seperate entities. Of course there are and have been exceptions. That being said, I don't think it's necessarily the right way to go, but it's the reality of it all.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

No offense to the dude who started this thread but I find it funny that you were thinking about an SR sequel while jogging for four miles.

 

[Showtime]

I'm usually thinking about oxygen.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm usually thinking about oxygen.

I couldn't jog four miles.

 

[Showtime]

I couldn't walk four miles.

 

[Superman_]

I couldn't jog four miles.

I couldn't walk four miles.

Then both of you are out of shape.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I know I am, I used to walk like two or three miles a day.

 

[Showtime]

Then both of you are out of shape.

I was being funny. I walk a lake that is over 4 miles around, about two or three times a week with my girlfriend.

 

[Super Kal]

i bike at least 7 miles every other day, 15 miles on the other days

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You guys are making me look bad...

 

[NotFadeAway]

You want that?

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=287203&page=3

Read the first two posts.

Very enjoyable read Matt

 

[NotFadeAway]

Meyer would undoubtedly find a way to slip some Shakespeare in the dialogue ala Trek or something and have it be real cool. I don't base Bosworth's portrayal of a cold fish Lois Lane on anything more than what was written. I didn't mind her being written that way, so that's probably why she didn't piss me off in the role so much. However, if you find fault at the root of the character (the writing) I can fully understand why you'd be less than thrilled to give her another shot in the role. Even though I liked SR a lot, I do feel that Routh got jipped on the dialogue front and wasn't given much time to display any potential of talent except for a few instances. I personally was a Cavill supporter during "The Wars" around here, or for Jim Caviezel, but I was mainly happy that it wasn't Welling.

Meyer would be awesome, I still don't know why he hasn't Directed more features in his career.

Yes, the writing for Lois Lane, and entire plotline in my opinion, were bad. It was just bad writing and a bad storyline. I do think Bosworth is better than Margot Kidder, who might be the worst heroine of all time, but overall I don't think Bosworth is that good of an actress and even if she had good material, there are alot of other actresses out there who, with the same good material, would act circles around her.

I was also a huge Cavill fan during the casting wars. I still am a huge fan of Cavill playing Superman should they want someone else to play Superman. He has only gotten better in terms of look and as an actor. I really wish they would have found him for Smallville seeing that he was already trained and he was the right age at the time of the conception of Smallville. I would have been happy with Caviezal, but I prefer David Boreanaz if your casting an older, established Superman. Another guy I liked was Eion Bailey. I know, he is only about 6'0, but height is always something you can work with!

 

[NotFadeAway]

No offense to the dude who started this thread but I find it funny that you were thinking about an SR sequel while jogging for four miles.

When running, it's all about taking your mind off of it and concentrating on something else, at least for me. Find your fantasy when you work out

 

[The Guard]

maybe to you but certainly not to me... that scene was just another incident of Superman once again not being Superman. The man didn't even put up a fight... he let Luthor beat him down like the b***h that he is in this franchise.

To me, and to a lot of people. Kryptonite hurts Superman. How is him being hurt "not being Superman"? And then the man, despite the presence of Kryptonite and his strength being sapped, manages to LIFT A CONTINENT INTO SPACE after his solar bath. And you tell me Superman is nowhere to be seen in this film?

Powerful, as in emotionally powerful, not as in Superman being powerful in every scenario. Superman didn't "fight back" because he was standing on an island made of Kryptonite, and he was essentially *****slapped, and by the time that was over, it was over regardless. And he did put up a fairly good struggle considering everything he was going through. Wah wah, he didn't throw any punches. Probably had something to do with the fact that he could barely stand after landing on New Krypton and soaking in the K radiation.

And if you don't think that Superman, after being exposed to that much Kryptonite, being beaten, stuck with Kryptonite, and almost drowning and then escaping, knowing he's going to die and going back regardless, soaking up the sun and doing what he does at the movie is somewhat powerful, you should just stop caring about Superman right now, because you don't get the character.

What do you want, powerful emotional moments like "I failed them Alfred. Despite the fact that none of this is my fault, I'm just going to give up right now because my house is on fire"?

had there actually been a Superman in the movie, he would of put up so much more of a fight.

Let's see how much of a fight you would put up exposed to an entire island that is composed of a radiation that absolutely drains you of all strength, and then being thrown down a flight of stairs and taking a savage beating. He was essentially mortal at that point.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Superman's beating and "fall" was pretty powerful stuff. The island made of Kryptonian tech and Kryptonite was fairly interesting as revenge devices go, and provided some fantastic visuals. And the scene where Superman, knowing he is going to die, uses the last of the strength his adopted world can provide to save billions is pretty darn powerful.

Agreed 100%, in fact is a lot more powerful than 90% of CB movie 3rd acts IMO, but it just takes you through so many emotions in a short space of time.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

To me, and to a lot of people. Kryptonite hurts Superman. How is him being hurt "not being Superman"? And then the man, despite the presence of Kryptonite and his strength being sapped, manages to LIFT A CONTINENT INTO SPACE after his solar bath. And you tell me Superman is nowhere to be seen in this film?

Powerful, as in emotionally powerful, not as in Superman being powerful in every scenario. Superman didn't "fight back" because he was standing on an island made of Kryptonite, and he was essentially *****slapped, and by the time that was over, it was over regardless. And he did put up a fairly good struggle considering everything he was going through. Wah wah, he didn't throw any punches. Probably had something to do with the fact that he could barely stand after landing on New Krypton and soaking in the K radiation.

And if you don't think that Superman, after being exposed to that much Kryptonite, being beaten, stuck with Kryptonite, and almost drowning and then escaping, knowing he's going to die and going back regardless, soaking up the sun and doing what he does at the movie is somewhat powerful, you should just stop caring about Superman right now, because you don't get the character.

What do you want, powerful emotional moments like "I failed them Alfred. Despite the fact that none of this is my fault, I'm just going to give up right now because my house is on fire"?



Let's see how much of a fight you would put up exposed to an entire island that is composed of a radiation that absolutely drains you of all strength, and then being thrown down a flight of stairs and taking a savage beating. He was essentially mortal at that point.

Excellent post. Though i disagree about the BB part, the rest is spot on.

 

[Super Kal]

To me, and to a lot of people. Kryptonite hurts Superman. How is him being hurt "not being Superman"? And then the man, despite the presence of Kryptonite and his strength being sapped, manages to LIFT A CONTINENT INTO SPACE after his solar bath. And you tell me Superman is nowhere to be seen in this film?

Powerful, as in emotionally powerful, not as in Superman being powerful in every scenario. Superman didn't "fight back" because he was standing on an island made of Kryptonite, and he was essentially *****slapped, and by the time that was over, it was over regardless. And he did put up a fairly good struggle considering everything he was going through. Wah wah, he didn't throw any punches. Probably had something to do with the fact that he could barely stand after landing on New Krypton and soaking in the K radiation.

And if you don't think that Superman, after being exposed to that much Kryptonite, being beaten, stuck with Kryptonite, and almost drowning and then escaping, knowing he's going to die and going back regardless, soaking up the sun and doing what he does at the movie is somewhat powerful, you should just stop caring about Superman right now, because you don't get the character.

What do you want, powerful emotional moments like "I failed them Alfred. Despite the fact that none of this is my fault, I'm just going to give up right now because my house is on fire"?



Let's see how much of a fight you would put up exposed to an entire island that is composed of a radiation that absolutely drains you of all strength, and then being thrown down a flight of stairs and taking a savage beating. He was essentially mortal at that point.

a knife hurts me too, but I'm not gonna take it like a b***h and yell "I'm still Superman!"...

lame as s**t... and I don't care what you or anyone else says.... If he can lift a continent of Kryptonite, he can definitely put up a fight on the damn rock.