Sequels "Going Wrath Of Khan":The Official MOS Action Thread

[buggs0268]

Wow. Another one bites the dust.

Heh heh heh...I knew it. I can spot that crazy S.O.B. a mile away. Sometimes it takes me a bit. But I told you I had a feeling it was him.

 

[The Guard]

With Jason, you have a golden opportunity to explore the whole "surrogate parent/mentorship" angle. You can have Superman indirectly teaching his son what his parents (The Kents) taught him. Truth, justice, all that stuff. I envision a movie where Superkid sees Superman risking his life yet again...battling insurmountable odds (ok, that's laying it on thick) and wants to grow up to be that man by the end of the movie.

But mainly, I just want to see the "I fly with Superman" scene. Where Superman takes the luckiest kid in the world flying with him. And maybe Lois, too. Like a picnic in the sky.

 

[buggs0268]

With Jason, you have a golden opportunity to explore the whole "surrogate parent/mentorship" angle. You can have Superman indirectly teaching his son what his parents (The Kents) taught him. Truth, justice, all that stuff. I envision a movie where Superkid sees Superman risking his life yet again...battling insurmountable odds (ok, that's laying it on thick) and wants to grow up to be that man by the end of the movie.

But mainly, I just want to see the "I fly with Superman" scene. Where Superman takes the luckiest kid in the world flying with him. And maybe Lois, too. Like a picnic in the sky.

I think what you just described is one of the scenes that most who hated SR or the son are afraid of seeing.

 

[The Guard]

Said people simply don't "get" Superman, then. What would be the harm?

 

[Showtime]

I still like the idea of Superman being forced to depower Jason because he is being targeted by Braniac or Eradicator for not being pure-blood Kryptonian. Superman is forced to take his own son's powers away with the chamber from Superman 2 in order to save his son's life, but loses a connection with his son in the process.

 

[Showtime]

Heh heh heh...I knew it. I can spot that crazy S.O.B. a mile away. Sometimes it takes me a bit. But I told you I had a feeling it was him.

It never fails.

 

[El Payaso]

I still like the idea of Superman being forced to depower Jason because he is being targeted by Braniac or Eradicator for not being pure-blood Kryptonian. Superman is forced to take his own son's powers away with the chamber from Superman 2 in order to save his son's life, but loses a connection with his son in the process.

It might be. But I wonder if Superman is the kind of man that do things according to what his enemies say. Like a country doing things or changing things because of some terrorist threats. I tend to think Superman wouldn't do things because of fear. Not to mention that a de-powered Jason is far more vulnerable.

 

[buggs0268]

It never fails.

Well, he is a mental midget. He does always out himself.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Nobody said that Superman lifting new Krypton wasnt heroic or Superman-like.

I just thought that it was a very uninspired after the amazing plane sequence in the beggining of the movie.

After all, with 200+ million dollars and fantastic special effects nowadays, is that all they could do to show Superman using his powers to a full extent?

I just thought...oh..he is lifting a giant rock for the climax of the movie...ok...i`d rather watch Transformers of Pirates of Caribbean with its non stop action...

Superman is the KING of Superheroes and thats all they could do with todays technollogy? IT IS VERY DISAPPOINTING, IMO.

 

[El Payaso]

Nobody said that Superman lifting new Krypton wasnt heroic or Superman-like.

I just thought that it was a very uninspired after the amazing plane sequence in the beggining of the movie.

After all, with 200+ million dollars and fantastic special effects nowadays, is that all they could do to show Superman using his powers to a full extent?

I just thought...oh..he is lifting a giant rock for the climax of the movie...ok...i`d rather watch Transformers of Pirates of Caribbean with its non stop action...

Superman is the KING of Superheroes and thats all they could do with todays technollogy? IT IS VERY DISAPPOINTING, IMO.

You're too much judging Superman's heroism and actions on the basis of the amount of money and level of technology invested in them.

I, in no case, would prefer Transformers' average action first than Superman's heroism in SR merely because of the effects. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy Transformers, but what that flick offers is what any film with millions in effects could offer.

 

[NotFadeAway]

I don't usually like the idea of having a movie killing kid that young in Jason. I prefer we never hear about him ever again instead of killing him off. Honestly, it not hard to not use him again without killing him off.

And I still prefer Singer with better writers & others. Again, just my feeling on this. [/QUOTE]

Hey, we like what we like my man. If a direct sequel to Returns is made though, something needs to be done with Jason to remove him from the story so we can get on with things. If that means Lois not be featured that much, than so be it. Plenty of men blow chances with the girl there supposed to be with, I'm one of them, that could be an excellent character storyline, Clark dealing with the fact that he blew it with the love of his life and figuring out where to go from there.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Hey, we like what we like my man. If a direct sequel to Returns is made though, something needs to be done with Jason to remove him from the story so we can get on with things. If that means Lois not be featured that much, than so be it. Plenty of men blow chances with the girl there supposed to be with, I'm one of them, that could be an excellent character storyline, Clark dealing with the fact that he blew it with the love of his life and figuring out where to go from there.

So you're advocating that Superman really abandon his son, which is what people already attack SR for portraying (which it doesn't)?

The hatred for the kid is mindnumbing. People moan and moan and moan about Singer borrowing too much from the Donner movies and not doing his own thing and the ONE THING that is truly original in the movie is the thing that you all want cut out of it. Unreal.

 

[The Guard]

Heh.

 

[SuperDaniel]

You're too much judging Superman's heroism and actions on the basis of the amount of money and level of technology invested in them.

I, in no case, would prefer Transformers' average action first than Superman's heroism in SR merely because of the effects. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy Transformers, but what that flick offers is what any film with millions in effects could offer.

The fact that i dont get is why a movie like Superman cant be as FUN as Transformers or PoC? With all those cool powers and characters?

I don`t like mindless action too but Superman is FUN character not depressing.

The problem is that the director CANT handle Superman.

 

[Nightwing1977]

If a direct sequel to Returns is made though, something needs to be done with Jason to remove him from the story so we can get on with things

Which is why I prefer the idea that Richard get a divorce with Lois & Jason move with him. I also like that they can have Jason depowered & move with his dad. Either way can work.

If that means Lois not be featured that much, than so be it.

I still prefer to give Lois much screentime as Supes. After all, many stories basically deal with Lois & Super's relationship. Why else the Superman tv show with Cain & Hatcher call "Lois & Clark"?

And like PastePotPete said, it would be stupid to have Supes abandon his son. Many attack SR for saying Supes shouldn't abandon the world after he was away for 5 yrs., but him abandoning his son is the same way. Again, I prefer that Jason move away with his dad or lose his powers or whatever instead of killing him off.

 

[NotFadeAway]

So you're advocating that Superman really abandon his son, which is what people already attack SR for portraying (which it doesn't)?

The hatred for the kid is mindnumbing. People moan and moan and moan about Singer borrowing too much from the Donner movies and not doing his own thing and the ONE THING that is truly original in the movie is the thing that you all want cut out of it. Unreal.

Well, let this be a lesson to some. Don't take a dead franchise and combine it with a stupid independent thought and spend $260 million, which was spent on a whole lot of nothing, filming it.

The hatred for the kid comes from the fact the the character of Superman finally got back and the big screen and right out of the gate gets saddled with a stupid plot device that can't be ignored unless there is a total reboot, which I'm all for but some are not, and I can't blame them.

 

[El Payaso]

The fact that i dont get is why a movie like Superman cant be as FUN as Transformers or PoC? With all those cool powers and characters?

The question is why a Superman movie must imitate average pop corn flicks?

Superman can be fun not imitating those.

I don`t like mindless action too but Superman is FUN character not depressing.

Then don't get deppressed. Superman overcome his problems and now he's happy to be dad. Share his happiness.

The problem is that the director CANT handle Superman.

Can't handle Superman = Can't make a Transformers/PotC-type of Superman movie?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Why is this so hard for people to imagine?

Even those of us that love SR don't want to see Jason helping dad to save the day, but a fatherly scene like this would be great.

 

[wellsy]

So you're advocating that Superman really abandon his son, which is what people already attack SR for portraying (which it doesn't)?

The hatred for the kid is mindnumbing. People moan and moan and moan about Singer borrowing too much from the Donner movies and not doing his own thing and the ONE THING that is truly original in the movie is the thing that you all want cut out of it. Unreal.

I actually think the reason Jason gets all the hate is because everything that people think was wrong with SR got focused on him. His introduction was jarring to fans of the comic books, and given how boring many of those people thought the movie was (it did feel long, but boring it is not), when it was implied that Jason was Superman's son right at the end, it stuck in their minds, and thus, the hate.

Essentially, I wouldn't want to see him go rescuing falling people either (unless they do some kind of death of Superman and Jason assuming legacy thing... at which point this forum will explode with mountains of cow dung to be flung at the (possibly un-) creative staff). BUT, I would like to see the exploration of the father-son dynamic created. Killing him is just a cop out so that the wet dreams of some comic book fans can come true (at the expense of the dreamy eyed hippies here who actually think movies are art ).

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It would be dumb to kill a kid in a Superman movie. The movie wouldn't be lighter, it would be far more serious/drab than the first flick. I'm well aware that WB doesn't and shouldn't give a crap about one persons opinion but the only way I'll be happy is if they reboot.

A Superman and son story should have never been the jumping off point for a new series, if you were going to do that story it should be in a 3rd or 4th movie, not the first! We don't even know the characters in the first film, we didn't even get to see the romance, all we saw were two people who had a kid and a strained relationship. As the story was I would have still complained but the "all of a sudden they have a kid thing" was a terrible idea.

 

[The Guard]

Can someone blow up that Superman and Son panel?

 

[El Payaso]

It would be dumb to kill a kid in a Superman movie. The movie wouldn't be lighter, it would be far more serious/drab than the first flick. I'm well aware that WB doesn't and shouldn't give a crap about one persons opinion but the only way I'll be happy is if they reboot.

A Superman and son story should have never been the jumping off point for a new series, if you were going to do that story it should be in a 3rd or 4th movie, not the first! We don't even know the characters in the first film, we didn't even get to see the romance, all we saw were two people who had a kid and a strained relationship. As the story was I would have still complained but the "all of a sudden they have a kid thing" was a terrible idea.

STM and SII makes SR the third movie. We know lots of Supes, Perry, Lois, Clark, Martha and Lex.

 

[Matt]

STM and SII makes SR the third movie. We know lots of Supes, Perry, Lois, Clark, Martha and Lex.

Its lazy filmmaking to rely on a 30 year old movie to establish your characters.

 

[El Payaso]

Its lazy filmmaking to rely on a 30 year old movie to establish your characters.

That's like saying it's lazy filmmaking to rely on a 400 y.o. play like Hamlet.

We have lots of old movies good remakes anyway to prove you wrong about that point as an absolute.



That said, that was not my point at all - I just said SR, good or bad, IS a third movie and therefore we do know the characters - but nice try.

 

[Visionary]

The general public already thinks Superman is bland and boring.

So far, they're right.