The Dark Knight Gotham Police (New Info on File 7/10)

[The_Raganork]

geez...I can't believe this. I think Brian is the biggest idiot, and if he is in the movie you can bet I will be booing. Sure his heart's in the right place, and sure he wants justice but he goes about it completely the wrong way,

Can't the same be said for the actual Batman?

 

[FromThisGirl]

Thanks. I knew she had been pregnant and all that, I just couldn't find what the hell had happened as far as complications. Jeez though, whether it's intentional or not, Glenn did say she's a worrier, and if the complications were anxiety related I'd hate to think what his death might do to her... *stops thinking about it*

 

[SekhmetRose]

Thanks. I knew she had been pregnant and all that, I just couldn't find what the hell had happened as far as complications. Jeez though, whether it's intentional or not, Glenn did say she's a worrier, and if the complications were anxiety related I'd hate to think what his death might do to her... *stops thinking about it*

Hope she doesn't lose the baby

 

[FromThisGirl]

Can't the same be said for the actual Batman?

Yes, but Batman's obviously capable of doing what he does. It's very, very obvious that Brian isn't, and even moreso now that someone is dead because of him. It makes me wonder what WOULD make him stop the vigilantism, you know? Will it matter to him if other people die or will he take it the same way as he did with Barhyte? I think a good part of him is just that he's been so overlooked for so long that now that he's been doing all these events with CFB it's like he's living out superhero fantasies as opposed to really thinking about what he's doing.

 

[quara33]

Can't the same be said for the actual Batman?

Batman's not a cop, and therefore doesn't have the same responsibilities as Atoz

Second, batman hasn't enlisted untrained civilians to go out and beat up the thugs. Brian has. And that's at the very least reckless endangerment.

 

[The_Raganork]

Batman's not a cop, and therefore doesn't have the same responsibilities as Atoz

Second, batman hasn't enlisted untrained civilians to go out an beat up the thugs. Brian has. And that's at the very least reckless endangerment.

Though I like him


Batman has put everyone in Gotham in Danger by taking the law into his own hands; he has a responsibility as a person to ensure that he does not elevate the stakes for the criminals.

I don't think it's fair to come down on Brian when he's doing the same as The Batman; he's trying to save Gotham; he hasn't had training as Ra's Al Ghul so he's bound to fail; but, he's doing something; and people are getting killed. It's incredibly sad; but, I don't see Brian Douglass as a bad person; maybe misguided but not a bad person.


You want to blame someone Blame Loeb and Garcia for not supporting Dent since Day 1 they've allowed the people to rally against Dent and hinder him from Doing his job; blame Maroni, Blame Garcetti; because, Brian has come to this desperate point where he thinks he can save Gotham by Doing things on his own because SOMEONE ELSE HAS DONE IT FIRST, and that's not his (Brian's) fault.

 

[cado]

Poor Glenn... Poor Cecilia!

 

[quara33]

Though I like him


Batman has put everyone in Gotham in Danger by taking the law into his own hands; he has a responsibility as a person to ensure that he does not elevate the stakes for the criminals.

I don't think it's fair to come down on Brian when he's doing the same as The Batman; he's trying to save Gotham; he hasn't had training as Ra's Al Ghul so he's bound to fail; but, he's doing something; and people are getting killed. It's incredibly sad; but, I don't see Brian Douglass as a bad person; maybe misguided but not a bad person.


You want to blame someone Blame Loeb and Garcia for not supporting Dent since Day 1 they've allowed the people to rally against Dent and hinder him from Doing his job; blame Maroni, Blame Garcetti; because, Brian has come to this desperate point where he thinks he can save Gotham by Doing things on his own because SOMEONE ELSE HAS DONE IT FIRST, and that's not his (Brian's) fault.

There's a fundamental difference between what Batman is doing and what Brian is doing. Batman risks his own life--yes he breaks the law and if caught ought to go to prison. but his crimes are lesser than Brian's who ACTIVELY RECRUITS OTHERS to participate in these actions.

My point is, Batman is acting on his own. Brian isn't. Brian is asking other people to risk their lives and is using his position in the GPD to do so (that's how he got his intel)

I would have no problem if Brian were just going out on his own. But he is making forum posts asking others to join in, and is therefore responsible for their welfare.

 

[The_Raganork]

There's a fundamental difference between what Batman is doing and what Brian is doing. Batman risks his own life--yes he breaks the law and if caught ought to go to prison. but his crimes are lesser than Brian's who ACTIVELY RECRUITS OTHERS to participate in these actions.

My point is, Batman is acting on his own. Brian isn't. Brian is asking other people to risk their lives and is using his position in the GPD to do so (that's how he got his intel)

I would have no problem if Brian were just going out on his own. But he is making forum posts asking others to join in, and is therefore responsible for their welfare.

The Batman risks everyones laugh by #1 possibly throwing Gotham into chaos and he uses people to get all those lovely gadgets he has.


Don't get me wrong I don't think Brian is doing the right thing; but, I don't believe he's a bad person for trying to make Gotham a better place at least SOMEONE is.

 

[BirdsDoThus]

Batman has had a ridiculous amount of ninja training. He helps the people of Gotham more then he puts them in danger. Without him, they would all be dead right now. Remember? Like..literally all of them.

Brian should have slowed down when someone got stabbed, but he didn't. He went bigger. And now Glenn is dead, and Batty was shot in the leg. And he wants to go bigger still. Brian wont stop until he gets them all killed, which is so sad.

I just don't get how they could go into something so big with out guns or ANYTHING. Did they then a huge drug deal wouldn't be dangerous?! The whole idea of it is insane.

 

[The_Raganork]

Batman has had a ridiculous amount of ninja training.

Does Glenn or anyone else know that?

 

[The_Raganork]

I just don't get how they could go into something so big with out guns or ANYTHING. Did they then a huge drug deal wouldn't be dangerous?! The whole idea of it is insane.

Absolutely


Brian is going too far now...someone should stop him. But I don't think he's a bad person...yet.

 

[MAb]

Yeah, but I think Brian Douglass has been doomed since he joined. He's going to get himself killed in the end, I think.

some sort of hero-death wish? Like dying will make him the hero he can't be in real life?
Getting good men killed doesn't make him a hero.

 

[LostGuy]

I am still shocked.

 

[Redd]

I feel bad for Celia

 

[sirpoins]

Does Glenn or anyone else know that?

Everyone knows that bulky batsuit = ninja training...we learn that in elementary school....geeeeeez

 

[Redd]

I had a feeling that Glenn would die. I was just hoping that I would be wrong on this one.

 

[quara33]

The Batman risks everyones laugh by #1 possibly throwing Gotham into chaos and he uses people to get all those lovely gadgets he has.


Don't get me wrong I don't think Brian is doing the right thing; but, I don't believe he's a bad person for trying to make Gotham a better place at least SOMEONE is.

I think I see where we differ here

I think Brian is a bad person for directly endangering others in taking on street crime.

Batman's not dragging out his tech guys to field test the new gadgets. (and several CFB posts talked about how batman only works alone, so they do know that). Brian is naming off people he wants to take on armed drug dealers. That's a huge difference to me, one that goes beyond recklessness into culpability.

But, as with everything YMMV (and yay for intelligent debate )

 

[thunderclap8]

nooooooooo! Aw man, I had a feeling Glenn was a marked man before, when he went off for the ferry meeting, but he came back from that ok... what a sucker punch.

 

[FromThisGirl]

No, Brian isn't necessarily bad, but there's a point where he should've seen that what he's doing is all wrong, you know? He can go on doing his insanities, but he can tell everyone else, "I'm closing this group down, we can't have more people dead or hurt" etc. In truth Batman HAS managed to do more good than bad, because he was trained for it, and they know he has the skills and isn't some street vigilante because they've dicussed this themselves, with their theories that he's military and what not. Even if this didn't click, the point still stands that someone is dead, and others have been hurt, yet still Brian persists with his "heroics".

 

[The_Raganork]

I think I see where we differ here

I think Brian is a bad person for directly endangering others in taking on street crime.

Batman's not dragging out his tech guys to field test the new gadgets. (and several CFB posts talked about how batman only works alone, so they do know that). Brian is naming off people he wants to take on armed drug dealers. That's a huge difference to me, one that goes beyond recklessness into culpability.

But, as with everything YMMV (and yay for intelligent debate )

The Batman knows that if anyone found out who he was they would go after the people he knows.


sure it's not the same; but, it's a risk anyway.

 

[Girl_Wonder]

Can't the same be said for the actual Batman?

Yes, but Batman's obviously capable of doing what he does. It's very, very obvious that Brian isn't, and even moreso now that someone is dead because of him. It makes me wonder what WOULD make him stop the vigilantism, you know? Will it matter to him if other people die or will he take it the same way as he did with Barhyte? I think a good part of him is just that he's been so overlooked for so long that now that he's been doing all these events with CFB it's like he's living out superhero fantasies as opposed to really thinking about what he's doing.

Exactly.
I think Batman and Brian might be similar but cannot really be compared, Batman is capable through-and-through, he was trained to fight unlike Brian who really is more of a rally kind of guy. So the, uh, not-so-smart guy is Brian, Bats definetly is not.

 

[Spidey-Sean]

Barhyte is dead?!?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Atoz, you bastard!

 

[BirdsDoThus]

A neighborhood watch is one thing. Hell, I can even give them trying to get drug dealers out of local parks where their kids play. But after doing one job, they should have KNOWN they weren't strong enough to take on a huge drug deal, especially since that one job didn't even go smoothly!

I think Brian got too much of a taste of what it felt like to be some dark superhero like Batman. He thought they were invincible, and Glenn had to be the one to prove them wrong.

 

[The_Raganork]

Exactly.
I think Batman and Brian might be similar but cannot really be compared, Batman is capable through-and-through, he was trained to fight unlike Brian who really is more of a rally kind of guy. So the, uh, not-so-smart guy is Brian, Bats definetly is not.

again...


how does Brian know that.


all they know about The Batman is that he's a man in a costume saving people. They don't know about Ra's or any of that.


Brian is doing what he thinks someone else has done.

It's not as if he knows he's living up to something that he can't live up to.


Yes Brian is in the wrong; but, put yourself in the actual Folklore he doesn't know any better; because, The Batman's actions have given the go-ahead for people to stand up for Gotham in a vigilante sort of way.


That's the conflict of the movie guys; I know what you are saying and I AGREE; but, you're not looking past what you know and what exist in the film.