Green Arrow the Movie, anyone?

The inclusion of Black Canary would over complicate things and take the focus off Ollie. As an origin movie, Ollie needs to work towards the bravado and fearlessness we're used to, and that could potentially win over someone as strong as Dinah. He's not going to be a swashbuckler in this first installment - and therefore regardless of his success with women in his playboy days before the island, he's not going to have the chops to be hitting on Dinah. Especially when he's in the middle of consolidating the fragments of his personality and life into one core person.
 
I guess he can meet her in an after credits sequence then :D
Or at the very end of the film. Like they did when giving out hints about The Joker in BB.
 
I agree. Adding BC in too early would only distract the audience and make it harder for them to understand the character as an individual.
 
I disagree strongly about leaving Dinah out.

A love interest is almost essential in not only superhero movies, but movies in general. And really, what other love interest *would* there be for Ollie than Dinah?

GA and Canary share one of the greatest love stories in the superhero genre. That's in no small part due to the fact that they're actually a team --- most of the superhero romances you can name right off the top of your head involve superhero + "normal" girl (Lois and Clark, Spidey and MJ, etc.) or superhero + villainess/femme fatale (Batman and Catwoman, Daredevil and Elektra). It would actually be refreshing (to mainstream audiences) to see a superhero couple working as partners on the big screen.

And as far as a GA origins story: Ollie isn't a particularly complicated hero. You don't need to spend a lot of time setting up his origin, or explaining his powers....rich dilettante with a real knack for archery as a hobby becomes a costumed vigilante. It's a story so familiar that it's cliche (Batman, Green Hornet, Iron Man).

I think a GA movie could establish the hero by the end of the first reel.
 
I disagree strongly about leaving Dinah out.

A love interest is almost essential in not only superhero movies, but movies in general. And really, what other love interest *would* there be for Ollie than Dinah?

GA and Canary share one of the greatest love stories in the superhero genre. That's in no small part due to the fact that they're actually a team --- most of the superhero romances you can name right off the top of your head involve superhero + "normal" girl (Lois and Clark, Spidey and MJ, etc.) or superhero + villainess/femme fatale (Batman and Catwoman, Daredevil and Elektra). It would actually be refreshing (to mainstream audiences) to see a superhero couple working as partners on the big screen.

And as far as a GA origins story: Ollie isn't a particularly complicated hero. You don't need to spend a lot of time setting up his origin, or explaining his powers....rich dilettante with a real knack for archery as a hobby becomes a costumed vigilante. It's a story so familiar that it's cliche (Batman, Green Hornet, Iron Man).

I think a GA movie could establish the hero by the end of the first reel.

That's true, of course. But the problem with introducing her right away is that it distracts from how the character is supposed to be from the start. Audiences haven't ever seen GA before, so they don't know what to expect. But you're also correct that every superhero movie needs a romance factor. So maybe for the first movie they could introduce her, but don't really make a big deal about their romance. Have them meet and maybe kiss toward the end of the movie, but don't let it distract from the movie as a whole. Then in the second movie they could kick it up a notch and satisfy GA fans. :D
 
I disagree strongly about leaving Dinah out.

A love interest is almost essential in not only superhero movies, but movies in general. And really, what other love interest *would* there be for Ollie than Dinah?

GA and Canary share one of the greatest love stories in the superhero genre. That's in no small part due to the fact that they're actually a team --- most of the superhero romances you can name right off the top of your head involve superhero + "normal" girl (Lois and Clark, Spidey and MJ, etc.) or superhero + villainess/femme fatale (Batman and Catwoman, Daredevil and Elektra). It would actually be refreshing (to mainstream audiences) to see a superhero couple working as partners on the big screen.

And as far as a GA origins story: Ollie isn't a particularly complicated hero. You don't need to spend a lot of time setting up his origin, or explaining his powers....rich dilettante with a real knack for archery as a hobby becomes a costumed vigilante. It's a story so familiar that it's cliche (Batman, Green Hornet, Iron Man).

I think a GA movie could establish the hero by the end of the first reel.

I agree with putting Dinah Lance/Black Canary in the movie.
 
I don't think Green Arrow will ever have a solo-live-action movie.
 
I think if Marvel studios is putting forward Black Panther, Luke Cage, Dr Strange, and Ant-Man movies (not to mention other studios having thrown out three attempts at The Punisher), then there is nothing to say Green Arrow won't have a movie. DC at least is under the same corporate umbrella as a major studio, so the "getting it right" element, like with the Marvel Studios controlled movies thus far, is almost firmly in place.

And Cherokeesam: I don't think you really have a handle on what makes Ollie a hero, or why he became who he is. He didn't pull a Green Hornet, he was turned into Batman-lite after his origin was established, and that portion of his publishing life is now legendarily laughed at both on the pages and in the real world.

Why does he have a talent for archery? Why choose a bow to make on the island to hunt for food instead of something more mechanically simple like a spear, or less pursuit-heavy like a beartrap or snares? How does he end up so far away from shipping lanes and any island but an uninhabited one when he is supposedly off on his tod on a yacht (a plane crash is more plausible to be in the middle of nowhere when it happens)? What happens to his world while he's away? What turns him from playboy to urban hunter? Why does he only shoot to wound? (that one's easy to explain away). Why does he continue it when he gets home?

All questions that a good origin, or heck, even first superhero movie that has a main character that is not superpowered (ie they are not thrust into fighting crime because they accidentally got abilities to do more than normal humans and they're good people generally or suffer a tragedy, they chose it for other reasons) needs to answer.

Having a movie with a ten minute first act where a rich blonde guy is shooting arrows with uncanny skill at bobbing targets from a boat then falls overboard in a storm, wakes up on an island, and sets about getting off it is no journey at all, won't make the audience care about the character. And throwing in Dinah because "you have to have a love interest" serves only to detract from Ollie and his rise to herodom.

Now - if you have the Catwoman/Batman approach to Ollie and Dinah in the first instance, then it might just work. Dinah is a vigilante operating in Star City - but no one knows about her because she isn't looking to strike fear into anyone, or showboat. She just gets the job done, but enjoys it; enjoys the thrill. Ollie, back from the island and hardened from it, is starting out on whatever the driving evil of the plot is (got a new idea on that by the way). Goes in half-arsed on a gang that he believes has information, and gets his butt handed to him - rather brutally too. Pulled out of the fire by the mystery person who disappears before he sees them. Another night he returns, more determined that ever to get the information he needs. But before he drops in on them, his saviour appears behind him. It's Dinah, and she warns him not to go in again, and certainly not with the attitude his has. He mouths off, she verbally puts him down, which pisses him off. He tells her to bugger off, and she demonstrates how easily she can 'not bugger' off to prove how one person can beat him without trying, so what's a whole gang of nutjobs going to do to him a second time. Some rooftop flirtation once she's proven her point, a run or two more that softens his demeanour and starts to show him that he can enjoy the swash and buckle of it, and shows her that maybe people should know what she's doing so that less will fall prey to the corruption Ollie now sees and wants to fight.

Ta da...
 
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DC is slow at making movies!

So far they only made Batman/Superman/Green Lantern live-action movies
 
I don't think Green Arrow will ever have a solo-live-action movie.

I think he would have to get a Justice League film appearance first and then it might warrant a solo outing, but still highly doubtful. I just don't feel he'd be that popular with the unknowing, broad public.
 
I think if Marvel studios is putting forward Black Panther, Luke Cage, Dr Strange, and Ant-Man movies (not to mention other studios having thrown out three attempts at The Punisher), then there is nothing to say Green Arrow won't have a movie. DC at least is under the same corporate umbrella as a major studio, so the "getting it right" element, like with the Marvel Studios controlled movies thus far, is almost firmly in place.

And Cherokeesam: I don't think you really have a handle on what makes Ollie a hero, or why he became who he is. He didn't pull a Green Hornet, he was turned into Batman-lite after his origin was established, and that portion of his publishing life is now legendarily laughed at both on the pages and in the real world.

Why does he have a talent for archery? Why choose a bow to make on the island to hunt for food instead of something more mechanically simple like a spear, or less pursuit-heavy like a beartrap or snares? How does he end up so far away from shipping lanes and any island but an uninhabited one when he is supposedly off on his tod on a yacht (a plane crash is more plausible to be in the middle of nowhere when it happens)? What happens to his world while he's away? What turns him from playboy to urban hunter? Why does he only shoot to wound? (that one's easy to explain away). Why does he continue it when he gets home?

All questions that a good origin, or heck, even first superhero movie that has a main character that is not superpowered (ie they are not thrust into fighting crime because they accidentally got abilities to do more than normal humans and they're good people generally or suffer a tragedy, they chose it for other reasons) needs to answer.

Having a movie with a ten minute first act where a rich blonde guy is shooting arrows with uncanny skill at bobbing targets from a boat then falls overboard in a storm, wakes up on an island, and sets about getting off it is no journey at all, won't make the audience care about the character. And throwing in Dinah because "you have to have a love interest" serves only to detract from Ollie and his rise to herodom.

Now - if you have the Catwoman/Batman approach to Ollie and Dinah in the first instance, then it might just work. Dinah is a vigilante operating in Star City - but no one knows about her because she isn't looking to strike fear into anyone, or showboat. She just gets the job done, but enjoys it; enjoys the thrill. Ollie, back from the island and hardened from it, is starting out on whatever the driving evil of the plot is (got a new idea on that by the way). Goes in half-arsed on a gang that he believes has information, and gets his butt handed to him - rather brutally too. Pulled out of the fire by the mystery person who disappears before he sees them. Another night he returns, more determined that ever to get the information he needs. But before he drops in on them, his saviour appears behind him. It's Dinah, and she warns him not to go in again, and certainly not with the attitude his has. He mouths off, she verbally puts him down, which pisses him off. He tells her to bugger off, and she demonstrates how easily she can 'not bugger' off to prove how one person can beat him without trying, so what's a whole gang of nutjobs going to do to him a second time. Some rooftop flirtation once she's proven her point, a run or two more that softens his demeanour and starts to show him that he can enjoy the swash and buckle of it, and shows her that maybe people should know what she's doing so that less will fall prey to the corruption Ollie now sees and wants to fight.

Ta da...

I agree wholeheartedly.
 
DC is slow at making movies!

So far they only made Batman/Superman/Green Lantern live-action movies

And Watchmen. And Road to Perdition. And V For Vendetta. And Constantine. And Stardust. And The Losers. And both Swamp Things. And The League of Extraordinary Gentleman. And The Spirit. And Red. And A History of Violence. And Jonah Hex. And Catwoman. And Steel.
 
And Watchmen. And Road to Perdition. And V For Vendetta. And Constantine. And Stardust. And The Losers. And both Swamp Things. And The League of Extraordinary Gentleman. And The Spirit. And Red. And A History of Violence. And Jonah Hex. And Catwoman. And Steel.

I thought we didn't acknowledge Catwoman or Steel?
 
And Watchmen. And Road to Perdition. And V For Vendetta. And Constantine. And Stardust. And The Losers. And both Swamp Things. And The League of Extraordinary Gentleman. And The Spirit. And Red. And A History of Violence. And Jonah Hex. And Catwoman. And Steel.
Half of these don't even count.
 
I think he would have to get a Justice League film appearance first and then it might warrant a solo outing, but still highly doubtful. I just don't feel he'd be that popular with the unknowing, broad public.

Why not? People don't have to be FANS to want to go see a movie. To non-fans it would be just like going to see any other random action movie that looked cool. Just because there's not a gigantic fanbase to begin with doesn't mean that nobody would go to see it.

Aaaaannnd why do half of those movies not work? They were all DC comics at one point, were they not?
 
Why not? People don't have to be FANS to want to go see a movie. To non-fans it would be just like going to see any other random action movie that looked cool. Just because there's not a gigantic fanbase to begin with doesn't mean that nobody would go to see it.

Aaaaannnd why do half of those movies not work? They were all DC comics at one point, were they not?

Agreed.
 
And throwing in Dinah because "you have to have a love interest" serves only to detract from Ollie and his rise to herodom.

Now - if you have the Catwoman/Batman approach to Ollie and Dinah in the first instance, then it might just work. Dinah is a vigilante operating in Star City - but no one knows about her because she isn't looking to strike fear into anyone, or showboat. She just gets the job done, but enjoys it; enjoys the thrill. Ollie, back from the island and hardened from it, is starting out on whatever the driving evil of the plot is (got a new idea on that by the way). Goes in half-arsed on a gang that he believes has information, and gets his butt handed to him - rather brutally too. Pulled out of the fire by the mystery person who disappears before he sees them. Another night he returns, more determined that ever to get the information he needs. But before he drops in on them, his saviour appears behind him. It's Dinah, and she warns him not to go in again, and certainly not with the attitude his has. He mouths off, she verbally puts him down, which pisses him off. He tells her to bugger off, and she demonstrates how easily she can 'not bugger' off to prove how one person can beat him without trying, so what's a whole gang of nutjobs going to do to him a second time. Some rooftop flirtation once she's proven her point, a run or two more that softens his demeanour and starts to show him that he can enjoy the swash and buckle of it, and shows her that maybe people should know what she's doing so that less will fall prey to the corruption Ollie now sees and wants to fight.

Ta da...

Now see....?
You just proved exactly *why* having Dinah in the film does NOT detract from Ollie's story at all. :cwink:
 
It depends on her role. Crime fighting duo who fall in love? Detracts. Flirtatious ,misunderstanding strangers who inadvertently teach one another something and create a little spark of what could be to come? Firm focus on Ollie and his growth, with love interest without slapping you in the face with it or giving him emotional woes.
 
Flirtatious ,misunderstanding strangers who inadvertently teach one another something and create a little spark of what could be to come

Precisely. That would be okay, like I have said already. It's okay to have her in there, she just can't be a huge subplot of the first movie. And once they get to a second movie, she can be in there all you want her to be. :)
 
DC Comics is rebooting Green Arrow. The new version of the character will most likely weight in on a potential Live-Action movie with him.

GREEN ARROW #1

Written by J.T. KRUL
Art by DAN JURGENS and NORM RAPMUND
Cover by BRETT BOOTH and ROB HUNTER

Green Arrow is on the hunt. Driven by inner demons, Ollie Queen travels the world and brings outlaws to justice…by breaking every law. Now, armed with cutting-edge weaponry and illegally gained intel (courtesy of his team at QCore), Green Arrow is shooting first and asking questions later.

green-arrow-01.jpg
 
Doubt it.

The thing with DC is they're obviously worried that no one will care to see a Green Arrow movie (not even just Green Arrow, but any other superhero that isn't Bat or Supe related). There's been talks of a Deadman movie and of course the Super Max script, but it feels like they don't wanna even attempt to pedal these characters who are just as interesting and amazing as Batman and Superman. It kinda sucks. I really wanted a Deadman movie. :(

EDIT: Didn't even realize I started this thread a long time again. Damnit I wish I remembered my password -___-
 
Mhm. But maybe they'll do their JLA movie and some more hype will go up around some of the lesser known characters and they might go and make stand alone movies for them... We can hope, right? :)
 

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