Green Lantern question...

[Spectre722]

protons, not photons. electons and protons are the subatomic particles that make up atoms.

 

[The Question]

I know. And photons are the particals that make up light. I highly doubt a photon is smaller than an atom, or that it has any of the properties of subatomic particles.

 

[wiegeabo]

Photons aren't really particles, they're waves. Except when they're particles, which happens when they're not acting like waves.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think the GL's have been depowered since Hal has come back and the GL Corps has reformed. When it was Kyle by himself, he was quite powerful and capable of feats GLs now wouldn't be able to do.

I've gotten that feeling, too.

Correct, it's got tons of limitations. For one, it can't produce any color except green.

Not so. Kyle's made constructs and other things of various colors. He subconsciously created other heroes in full color when he was slowly absorbing the ambient energy Parallax had left behind after reigniting the sun--which is the same energy the rings run on--and pretty much all of the Lanterns create their costumes with the rings, and those usually include green, black, and white.

 

[The Question]

Photons aren't really particles, they're waves. Except when they're particles, which happens when they're not acting like waves.

Light is a wave. And it's made up of particles. Think of it like an ocean wave. Water is made up of countless molocules. Countless tiny little particles that we can't see. But, the come together, and they make water. And water makes waves.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm pretty sure wieg is right. Quantum mechanics dictates that light is anomalous and a single photon can (and does) act as both a particle and a wave.

 

[The Question]

I always thought that a photon was a particle, but all together as light, they act as a wave.

 

[batnkevlar]

Well, they have particle properties, such as in this one experiment where they fire a beam at this gold piece and it scatter's through it...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Light behaves like a particle and a wave, even at its most basic quantifiable unit, as far as I recall. Granted, I'm no expert in quantum theory.

 

[wiegeabo]

A single photon acts as both a wave and particle. It's one of the mysteries of quantum mechanics we haven' figured out.

 

[Anubis]

I can't believe you guys were actually paying attention in science class. I was too busy begging the smart kids to let me copy off them during tests.

 

[BrianWilly]

I'm pretty sure that the ring can make Kryptonite if the GL concentrated his will enough.

That's the most basic definition and purpose of the power ring: it can do anything you want it to do. If it doesn't, then it's a failure on the part of the person wielding the ring, not the ring itself. Every single Earth-based Lantern has been able to get the ring to do things besides just make constructs, including teleportation and matter manipulation. Kyle and John have used it to teleport. Kyle has claimed that he could split atoms with the ring if he needed to. Hal Jordan has used it before to change people's memories and conduct mindwipes.

The ring can create green fire, or green ice, because the Lantern in question understands what fire is and what ice is; fire is hot, ice is cold. Fire burns, ice freezes. The will of the wielder gives directions to the ring which takes care of technical details. I assume that the only reason no one makes Kryptonite all the time is because no one really understands what Kryptonite is. They know that it hurts Kryptonians and that it has radiation and...that's about it. Without any further clues, their willpower has to cover a lot of unknown elements, which presumably makes it harder. In an intense duress situation like, say, fighting Superman, you're probably not going to be able to do it.

 

[Lackey]

and a photon is nothing more than a packet of energy...it has no mass like an electron or photon does.

Conceivably, a GL could create a single light-constructed atom.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I can't believe you guys were actually paying attention in science class. I was too busy begging the smart kids to let me copy off them during tests.

You are responsible for the downfall of the American education system.

 

[batnkevlar]

I'm pretty sure that the ring can make Kryptonite if the GL concentrated his will enough.

That's the most basic definition and purpose of the power ring: it can do anything you want it to do. If it doesn't, then it's a failure on the part of the person wielding the ring, not the ring itself. Every single Earth-based Lantern has been able to get the ring to do things besides just make constructs, including teleportation and matter manipulation. Kyle and John have used it to teleport. Kyle has claimed that he could split atoms with the ring if he needed to. Hal Jordan has used it before to change people's memories and conduct mindwipes.

The ring can create green fire, or green ice, because the Lantern in question understands what fire is and what ice is; fire is hot, ice is cold. Fire burns, ice freezes. The will of the wielder gives directions to the ring which takes care of technical details. I assume that the only reason no one makes Kryptonite all the time is because no one really understands what Kryptonite is. They know that it hurts Kryptonians and that it has radiation and...that's about it. Without any further clues, their willpower has to cover a lot of unknown elements, which presumably makes it harder. In an intense duress situation like, say, fighting Superman, you're probably not going to be able to do it.

Nice explanation, i was thinking along those lines, you summed it up well...

 

[Lackey]

During the Joker's Last Laugh thing, Kyle was infected and Batman told Superman something like they had to stop him before he turned everyone's blood to gasoline. Just thought I'd throw that in

 

[Antitang]

That's the most basic definition and purpose of the power ring: it can do anything you want it to do.

I am not too sure if I agree with that... that would mean that the ring is far more powerfull then superman or even darkseid.

 

[Anubis]

You are responsible for the downfall of the American education system.

Well of course I am. Now shut up and give me the answers nerd Before I shatter your pelvis!

 

[Varient]

Is it possible for the ring to make Kryptonite? Not just a green rock, but actual Kryptonite?

radiation not material.

No,.. I'm not sure why canon allows it to replicate energy but not matter.

 

[The Question]

I'm pretty sure that the ring can make Kryptonite if the GL concentrated his will enough.

That's the most basic definition and purpose of the power ring: it can do anything you want it to do. If it doesn't, then it's a failure on the part of the person wielding the ring, not the ring itself. Every single Earth-based Lantern has been able to get the ring to do things besides just make constructs, including teleportation and matter manipulation. Kyle and John have used it to teleport. Kyle has claimed that he could split atoms with the ring if he needed to. Hal Jordan has used it before to change people's memories and conduct mindwipes.

The ring can create green fire, or green ice, because the Lantern in question understands what fire is and what ice is; fire is hot, ice is cold. Fire burns, ice freezes. The will of the wielder gives directions to the ring which takes care of technical details. I assume that the only reason no one makes Kryptonite all the time is because no one really understands what Kryptonite is. They know that it hurts Kryptonians and that it has radiation and...that's about it. Without any further clues, their willpower has to cover a lot of unknown elements, which presumably makes it harder. In an intense duress situation like, say, fighting Superman, you're probably not going to be able to do it.

I've never thought that that's how the ring works. I always thought that it was alot more complex than "wanting it enough." If you wanted to make a construct, I thought that you had to visualize exactly what you wanted in the right amount of detail, and maintain that visualization. Otherwise, it would just come out a green blob. And I've never seen the ring able to synthasize actual elements.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think it's that simple. "Wanting something badly enough" only seems to work for strengthening constructs and pulling the occasional galaxy-saving move out of a GL's ass. I doubt a GL could just wish himself into a god or anything like that.

Alan Scott's Starheart, on the other hand, can do some weird stuff. I guess it's because of its magical nature. Even the Starheart seems to have limits, though.

I am not too sure if I agree with that... that would mean that the ring is far more powerfull then superman or even darkseid.

The ring's not called "the most powerful weapon in the universe" for nothing. In the hands of the right person, it can be incredibly powerful. It's so dependent on the wearer's mental state, however, that its power varies a lot. I could conceivably see a GL taking on Darkseid (especially the current version), but the fact that Darkseid is universally feared might prevent the Lantern from summoning enough willpower to fight him effectively.

 

[Antitang]

I don't think it's that simple. "Wanting something badly enough" only seems to work for strengthening constructs and pulling the occasional galaxy-saving move out of a GL's ass. I doubt a GL could just wish himself into a god or anything like that.

Alan Scott's Starheart, on the other hand, can do some weird stuff. I guess it's because of its magical nature. Even the Starheart seems to have limits, though.

The ring's not called "the most powerful weapon in the universe" for nothing. In the hands of the right person, it can be incredibly powerful. It's so dependent on the wearer's mental state, however, that its power varies a lot. I could conceivably see a GL taking on Darkseid (especially the current version), but the fact that Darkseid is universally feared might prevent the Lantern from summoning enough willpower to fight him effectively.

yeah I know its quite powerful I just meant that "anything" is far fetched just like you said about wishing himself to be a god. I still dont picture the GL Corps on the same level as Darkseid and Superman. Seems like any GL would run out of will power (if like you said he could even summon it in the first place) thus making him an ordinary man. but eh kinda turning into one of the horrible "Vs." threads.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Darkseid I can understand, but Superman? I'd be surprised if pretty much any experienced GL couldn't hand Superman his ass on a silver platter.

 

[Lackey]

Darkseid I can understand, but Superman? I'd be surprised if pretty much any experienced GL couldn't hand Superman his ass on a silver platter.

it depends on the situation... the "faster than thought" thing might come into play.

 

[Destructo-Man]

I've always thought that basically, if you believe it, you can make it/do it. Laterns have always been told, or told others it all comes down to knowing that the ring can do whatever the hell you want it to do as long as you have to belief and willpower to back it up. That's why Hal was so good. He seemed to have a near religious belief in that ring, the Corps, and what they could do.

Imagine you're going about your day and bamf!, Ganthet appeared before you, gave you a ring and said "Do what you must!" You know damned well what they ring is capable of, having read about GL's for years. Your personal belief in the ring may be even more powerful than the Lanterns we've been reading about for years. You'd probably be able to do things most of those Lanterns wouldn't believe, based on the fact that you've seen THEM doing crazy nonsense for years.

Or not, I dunno.