Guillermo del Toro's "The Shape of Water"

[Gabe99]

‘The Shape of Water’: Doug Jones Reveals Story Details for Guillermo del Toro’s Next Film
The 'Hellboy' actor plays a fish-man in the Cold War-centric drama, and he has a bold prediction for how the film will be received.

 

[Slick]

Nice. Looking forward to it.

 

[Defacto]

Nine months to design a creature? It's cool that he is into monsters and what not but it does seem excessive to spend NINE months to design one creature. It has to be one special looking creature. Glad he gets to make another movie after Crimson Peak.

 

[Silvermoth]

I don't think it's that bad. It takes evolution millions of years to design creatures so he's doing alright really.

Plus my sister is pregnant and it has taken her about 9 months before to create a creature and I understand that's quite common

 

[dude stannis]

If it's the only creature in the film, then I'd imagine it takes a lot more work to narrow down the right elements.

I'm surprised the usual suspects aren't in this thread with their minds made up at how bad it will be.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Nine months to design a creature? It's cool that he is into monsters and what not but it does seem excessive to spend NINE months to design one creature. It has to be one special looking creature. Glad he gets to make another movie after Crimson Peak.

I wish GdT would spend just as much time worrying about his scripts...

 

[redhawk23]

I wish GdT would spend just as much time worrying about his scripts...

Obviously he speaks fluent English but as he describes, his English language films he writes only in English. I think they suffer somewhat. I think the actual plots of his films are fine but the dialogue leaves a lot to be desired.

As to the long design development, keep onindbthat he has a design studio built into his second d home where his design crews work.

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

Seems like del toro has fallen on rough times with some of his movie ideas to date. Hoping he gets back in the game with this one.

 

[redhawk23]

How so?

 

[Octoberist]

Obviously he speaks fluent English but as he describes, his English language films he writes only in English. I think they suffer somewhat. I think the actual plots of his films are fine but the dialogue leaves a lot to be desired.

As to the long design development, keep onindbthat he has a design studio built into his second d home where his design crews work.

This I can agree on. I think GDT is GOOD at writing in English for, let's say, an article. Formal writing or maybe an editorial, he's very smart. But when it comes to narratives in creative writing, he lacks a certain VA VA VA VOOOM.

 

[redhawk23]

This I can agree on. I think GDT is GOOD at writing in English for, let's say, an article. Formal writing or maybe an editorial, he's very smart. But when it comes to narratives in creative writing, he lacks a certain VA VA VA VOOOM.

And thus why the characters in Crimson Peak outright deliver the themes of the movie interns identical to GDT discussion g the themes of Devil's Backbone in the DVD extras. For all his talk of "eye protein" GDT didn't trust the visuals and the drama to deliver the meaning of the story in that field even though it was covering very similar ground to his own more accomplished film. (But then he even went as far as to reapply Santi's porcelain ghost design to a different character which still feels like a betrayal.)

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

I'm a big big fan of Guillermo del Toro's work

 

[Octoberist]

I think that's why he's better at crafting a story..then letting someone else write the script. There's a part of me who thinks Pacific Rim 2 MIGHT be a better film than the first one if the writing is up to snuff. (It's hard to tell because the screenwriters are all fairly new to the biz).

The direction well that's up in the air with Steven DeKnight.

 

[Octoberist]

I'm a big big fan of Guillermo del Toro

Oh me too, and I'm looking forward to this. I've met the man so many times that he kinda remembers me. Supposedly he has a photographic memory which is scary if I've said anything stupid.

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

How so?

Pacific rim was ok nothing special
Crimson peak was sorta dumb
The strain is just a tv series, good but not making movie money
Like hellboy was his best work hellboy 2 was ok.

Just seems like his last few movies in theaters wasn't highly successful maybe has gained a cult following but not big blockbusters

 

[Octoberist]

I like Crimson Peak though, and it was better than Pac Rim. Hellboy 2 was great though some of the humor was too broad for my liking. Which is weird because Del Toro himself is very funny and it didn't translate onto the big screen.

The Strain has gotten bad especially in the last season. I think it'll get cancelled soon and there's zero buzz for the show anymore. But 'just a TV series' is an archaic mentality. When TV's good, it's good and sometimes better than film.

His best work was Pan's Labyrinth but he hasn't reach that level in a long time. I felt that his American films lacked the gravity of his Spanish films, and maybe 'Shape of Water' is a return to that style..on a smaller scale.

 

[dark_b]

I think the reason some people dont like Crimson is because they expected a movie that was never promised. Some dont like it because of the writting.

 

[StarLord]

Great cast for this. Sounds cool.

I really liked Crimson Peak, didn't care for Pacific Rim at all.

 

[Octoberist]

I like that a sequel is being made for Pacific Rim. I think it would be a waste to let that franchise rot, and maybe it'll grow like how Dawn of the Planet of the Apes cemented the new Apes franchise as something legit and cool.

 

[StarLord]

Yeah. I think the PR sequel already sounds better by the casting alone.

They should stay away from the zany characters ala Burn Gorman and Charlie Day. They were unbearable.

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

I like Crimson Peak though, and it was better than Pac Rim. Hellboy 2 was great though some of the humor was too broad for my liking. Which is weird because Del Toro himself is very funny and it didn't translate onto the big screen.

The Strain has gotten bad especially in the last season. I think it'll get cancelled soon and there's zero buzz for the show anymore. But 'just a TV series' is an archaic mentality. When TV's good, it's good and sometimes better than film.

His best work was Pan's Labyrinth but he hasn't reach that level in a long time. I felt that his American films lacked the gravity of his Spanish films, and maybe 'Shape of Water' is a return to that style..on a smaller scale.

I'm not knocking the strain at all I've read the books and follow the series but it has been a steady decline from good to ok to meh! I just meant unfortunately tv series don't bring in the big bucks like big money movies. Obvious it was on par with friends, Seinfeld, Big Bang theory or other shows then maybe there is money to be had but not likely on fx. While fx has a some really good shows soa, iasip, archer they don't pay like big network shows.

Crimson peak would have been better but the writing was so out of place to me for a del toro movie.

Haven't seen labyrinth

I think he should go back to the basics that made him great and I hope this film does that for him

 

[Octoberist]

Pan's Labyrinth IS THE Del Toro to watch.

 

[Boom]

I mean would it help if Del a Toro wrote his scripts in Spanish and then had someone else translate it? There is a notable difference in writing quality between his Spanish and English works.

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

Pan's Labyrinth IS THE Del Toro to watch.

Netflix? Hulu?

 

[Boom]

You need to see it immediately. One of the greatest fantasy films ever made.