'H2', Rob Zombie's sequel to 'Halloween'

[DeGenerate10]

God I hated that movie. I hope Rob quits making movies ASAP. Just go back to making music please

 

[DACrowe]

My feelings towards Ho1000C is almost the same as Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2: it's visually interesting and sharply directed, but it's suffocating unpleasantness and mean spirit prevented me from finding any enjoyment in watching it and I can't imagine ever revisiting it.

Agreed. I absolutely loathed that film. I will never watch that POS ever again.


Oh and yeah I caught the Psycho homage nice if there wasn't a pink elephant...or white horse...in the room. But given Laurie's arc that final shot was actually a really nice way to wrap up her character in a sad way.

 

[steintym]

I finally got to see this last night and I really liked it. It defintely wasn't perfect, but I'm surprised so many are writing it off as complete trash. Just a couple of things that really stood out and worked for me:

The entire opening hospital scene was great. Very intense, brutal and a nice nod to the original H2.

Annie's death scene and then the discoveries by Laurie and Brakett. Again, just another couple of scenes that were very brutal and intense. I actually cared about someone's death in a horror movie.

The more I watch Rob's Halloween movies, the more I like his Michael. The gritty, roughed up mask from both movies has really grown on me. I also like the absolutely rage he displayed during his attacks (could do without so of the grunting, though).

Overall, I was very entertained and enjoyed it.

 

[Matt]

The hospital scene actually bothered me more than anything. I mean, it made pretty much the first 20 minutes of the film a dream sequence. It was a waste of time, a cheat to the audience, even.

Also, I would've liked to see more on HOW we reached the point betwen RZH and RZH2. Wasn't Annie practically gutted in the first movie? Loomis' head was crushed. It seems like in H2 their injuries were at best minor. There was no scarring, and they all survived with relative ease. Now its my understanding that the director's cut of H1 (which I've never bothered with) is less ambiguous, but as I said with Bryan Singer's Superman, its lazy film making to expect your audience to know the supplementary material to your movie. We should've been shown something to clarify what happened. Even with Michael. As far as we know, being as we were shown nothing more of the end of the original, Michael was shot point blank in the face. He was pronounced dead at the scene, then just came back, and not only came back, was fine enough...after being shot in the face and clinically dead to instantly kill two people and live for a year with no medical treatment. Clearly Michael is not bullet proof based on H2's ending, so WTF?

Too many plot holes, IMO.

 

[Majik1387]

Annie had plenty scarring on her face, and the only places where she would have the worst scarring are covered up by her clothes, and when the areas where the scars would be prominent, it really didn't make any difference considering how much Michael did to her.

As for Michael not being bullet proof, not that I disagree, but the bullets were pretty much nothing to him, like in all the other Halloween films.
And the head shot wound is an even bigger dead horse than some other complaints. It was never shown where in the head he was shot, all we really have to go on was that it was on the right side of Michael's face, since that was wear the mask was damaged.

 

[Matt]

Annie had plenty scarring on her face, and the only places where she would have the worst scarring are covered up by her clothes, and when the areas where the scars would be prominent, it really didn't make any difference considering how much Michael did to her.

A few scars on the face in exchange for a total gutting? At any rate, my point is, Loomis and Annie's deaths were clearly shown in the original and Zombie just backtracked with not even a quick crappy scene of EMTs finding them.

As for Michael not being bullet proof, not that I disagree, but the bullets were pretty much nothing to him, like in all the other Halloween films.
And the head shot wound is an even bigger dead horse than some other complaints. It was never shown where in the head he was shot, all we really have to go on was that it was on the right side of Michael's face, since that was wear the mask was damaged.

But he was clearly shot somewhere that would kill him, as he was pronounced dead at the beginning of the film by the EMTs. A grazing to the side of the face wouldn't stop his heart and make him clinically dead and being as the police were on scene when he was shot we can assume not enough time passed for him to bleed out (plus the EMTs would instantly begin to treat him if he was bleeding, and there was no sign of that). This makes the two likely areas of his shooting either the throat (which would deprive oxygen and cause his heart to stop beating rather quickly) or the brain. Either way, these aren't injuries you just walk off.

At any rate, you are correct that we do not know. We have to fill in our own blanks which makes it a plot hole, and IMO lazy film making. Almost as lazy as the magical, fix all explanation to every action of Michael being "PSYCHIC CONNECTION!"

 

[Majik1387]

Not saying the face scars make up for her being a stabbing cushion in the first movie, but where she got the brunt of the injuries were on her body, and some on her face. But seeing as her body was covered up pretty much the entire movie, you didn't see how bad the scars would have been.

 

[Matt]

Not saying the face scars make up for her being a stabbing cushion in the first movie, but where she got the brunt of the injuries were on her body, and some on her face. But seeing as her body was covered up pretty much the entire movie, you didn't see how bad the scars would have been.

I concede that point and editted my post to reflect that my problem wasn't so much the lack of physical injury but the notion that the character was clearly dead yet entirely fine in this movie without so much as a scene of EMTs rushing her to the hospital.

 

[steintym]

The hospital scene being a dream did bother me a bit, but I thought it fit with the rest of the movie (dreams and visions and Laurie's torment being big parts). Outside of that, I just liked the visuals of the scene, seeing some of the horrible damage that was done from the encounter with Myers. I thought the entire opening was pretty intense.

I really didn't have a problem with Myers surviving the gunshot to the head. We never really saw where it hit, people have survived similar wounds (although not regularly), and any damage to the head can result in massive amounts of blood. I realize it is a stretch, but it really didn't bother me much.

 

[Majik1387]

I concede that point and editted my post to reflect that my problem wasn't so much the lack of physical injury but the notion that the character was clearly dead yet entirely fine in this movie without so much as a scene of EMTs rushing her to the hospital.

Well, even when the first movie came out, I'm pretty sure it was said they didn't kill Annie onscreen so they had the option of bringing her back in a sequel; Plus what she was put through, with hospitalization and therapy, it's not that improbable for her to survive.

The hospital scene being a dream did bother me a bit, but I thought it fit with the rest of the movie (dreams and visions and Laurie's torment being big parts). Outside of that, I just liked the visuals of the scene, seeing some of the horrible damage that was done from the encounter with Myers. I thought the entire opening was pretty intense.

I really didn't have a problem with Myers surviving the gunshot to the head. We never really saw where it hit, people have survived similar wounds (although not regularly), and any damage to the head can result in massive amounts of blood. I realize it is a stretch, but it really didn't bother me much.

I took the opening scenes as the true after effects of the first movie, when Laurie was passed out and being operated on, and just saw the rest more as a dream while she was under the anesthesia from the operation.

As for him being pronounced dead, I know there are numerous cases where people have been pronounced dead, and within time they're back; I just figured that happened with Michael.

 

[Matt]

I don't mind him surviving if they showed that Laurie only grazed him, he was arrested and escaped (or just escaped). But come on, the wound was severe enough that he was pronounced dead. That's not something any one can walk from

 

[steintym]

I concede that point and editted my post to reflect that my problem wasn't so much the lack of physical injury but the notion that the character was clearly dead yet entirely fine in this movie without so much as a scene of EMTs rushing her to the hospital.

Did we ever see Annie clearly dead in the first movie (or at least appear to be clearly dead)? I thought that was left pretty open ended and I remember coming away from watching that film thinking Annie survived (although obviously beat to ****). We see her alive when Laurie finds her and I thought she was later seen on a stretcher. Not positive, though.

 

[steintym]

I took the opening scenes as the true after effects of the first movie, when Laurie was passed out and being operated on, and just saw the rest more as a dream while she was under the anesthesia from the operationl.

Interesting thought and I can live with that (I actually like that). I guess I took it that everything at the hospital was a nightmare. Some of it was her reliving the events (arriving at the hospital, surgery, etc) and the rest was just a nightmare.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

I don't mind him surviving if they showed that Laurie only grazed him, he was arrested and escaped (or just escaped). But come on, the wound was severe enough that he was pronounced dead. That's not something any one can walk from

The thing that's really dumb is in RZH when Laurie shoots Michael the wound is severe enough where she's splattered with blood and screaming her head off so you know the bullet didn't just graze him. Secondly, the mask has a huge freakin hole in it where Myers got shot but there's no damage whatsoever to his head.

 

[Marx]

Did we ever see Annie clearly dead in the first movie (or at least appear to be clearly dead)? I thought that was left pretty open ended and I remember coming away from watching that film thinking Annie survived (although obviously beat to ****). We see her alive when Laurie finds her and I thought she was later seen on a stretcher. Not positive, though.

If I remember right, Annie's last scene in RZH was where she was lying on the floor in a bloody mess and shivering. She was very much alive.

 

[Marx]

The thing that's really dumb is in RZH when Laurie shoots Michael the wound is severe enough where she's splattered with blood and screaming her head off so you know the bullet didn't just graze him. Secondly, the mask has a huge freakin hole in it where Myers got shot but there's no damage whatsoever to his head.

Exactly.

 

[Nightmare]

I really have no idea where they could go with a part 3, and if its rushed out august 2010. It might even be worse then this one.

 

[Showtime]

anybody think that the last shot of laurie was a bit of a Psycho homage?

Certainly was and was great up until Miss Myers came in leading her trusty steed.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Yes, it was the horse that ruined the whole movie! Before that it was perfect, but that darn horse ruined it all!

 

[Marx]

'That darn horse' was only part of the problem.

 

[Nightmare]

That white horse, looked horribly out of place. Just many on the crap list though.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Well, people bring it up so much. you think be the main problem with the film and its not even in the film that long.

 

[Nivek]

Great, now people nit picking Annes "death" ...

Superherohype: the place for nit picking Slasher Films to death...

 

[Marx]

I think it's more...

Superherohype: 'The place for stating your opinion, whether its the popular one or not.'

 

[cryptic name]

A few scars on the face in exchange for a total gutting? At any rate, my point is, Loomis and Annie's deaths were clearly shown in the original and Zombie just backtracked with not even a quick crappy scene of EMTs finding them.

damn you for making me defend anything in these movies, but Annie was alive and loaded into an ambulance by paramedics at the end of the first movie. the last time we see her, she's alive.