Harry Potter - The Complete Series Thread

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't think I said this. My problem with Harry in this film is his sudden "in loveness" with Ginny. A relationship, while not very good in the books imo, is made massively worse over the last three films. The last 3 films cement Hermione as the meaningful relationship in Harry's life.

J.K. Rowling regrets pairing Hermione with Ron in the Harry Potter ending

 

[mclay18]

I knew something didn't feel quite right with the Ron/Hermione pairing. But what's done is done.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Sweet justification! Harry/Hermione all the way. I remember the shipping wars getting really bad when JK called H/Hr shippers delusional. Oh it was there. More so in the movies, but there was plenty in the books.

 

[chamber-music]

The guy who played Dean Thomas was in season three episode two of Sherlock.

 

[Teelie]

I read that this morning. I could have seen her go to either one although I was expecting Harry, it seemed clear towards the end (especially by Deathly Hallows) that Ron/Hermoine was going to be the pairing with Harry and Ginny.

Until the epilogue, I wasn't sure that would be how it would end. Now it comes out it wasn't the original way it was going to end. I can see a lot of fans feeling vindicated and betrayed by this revelation.

 

[Raiden]

This revelation would explain why Harry bounced from that Asian girl to Ginny, never really had any long relationship on the screen, because he was probably supposed to end up with Hermione. I give Rowling credit for this admission, because most authors would not say anything rather than admitting that he or she was wrong in the first place.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

I think Hermione/Ron was the original ending. That's what she planned when she started the series. But instead of letting the relationships evolve with the story over the years, she stubbornly stuck to her original idea. That's what I get from the quotes.

 

[chamber-music]

I think she should of paired Harry with Hermione and killed Ron.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

As I posted in the other thread...

So she finally admitted it. Harry and Hermione is still the most obvious thing. To the point that she did have to force Ron and Hermione to a ridiculous amount, and it hurts the last two books. There is no way whatsoever they could be convincingly happy unless Ron turned into a completely different person. The flow of the books and especially OotP was setting up Harry and Hermione as a relationship as something beyond the base.

Which I never understood. Ron and Hermione is serious bad writing. JK grew as author as the books went along, but that part was always seriously weak, especially in comparison to what she had going on with Harry and Hermione. Like her losing it because the Department of Mysteries. In an effort to make Ron and Hermione work, and it never did, she messed with the Harry/Hermione relationship (I call it randomly grouchy Harry), while forcing Ginny into the situation. It is why HBP isn't near the other books, as a lot of it is a game of trying to make the wrong work.

It got so bad she wrote Harry in a way that forced Harry to keep his emotional distance from Hermione with how she wrote the material starting with HBP. If you read the first five books, it is pretty clear what the end game should be. Harry and Hermione deserve each other, they earned one another. They matched each other. Ron will always be the jealous third wheel, with a horrible temperament.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think Hermione/Ron was the original ending. That's what she planned when she started the series. But instead of letting the relationships evolve with the story over the years, she stubbornly stuck to her original idea. That's what I get from the quotes.

She didn't want the hero and the leading lady together. Yet that is where the characters were going naturally, and thus she let her need for Ron to to "get her" cloud her decision making.

Harry being with Ginny had more to do with making him a Weasley then anything else.

 

[jacobed]

I actually thought the movies did the romance way better and more believable than the books did. But.I.had no problem with it. In fact I liked that Harry didn't get the main girl in the end, it was different.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I actually thought the movies did the romance way better and more believable than the books did. But.I.had no problem with it. In fact I liked that Harry didn't get the main girl in the end, it was different.

But to be different is the only reason it is like that. It most certainly wasn't where the characters were going.

 

[chamber-music]

Harry and Luna Lovegood would of made a more natural coupling that Ginny if JK didn't want to pair him with Hermione

 

[jacobed]

But to be different is the only reason it is like that. It most certainly wasn't where the characters were going.

I agree it wasn't the best written but it also wasn't terribly done. the movies rocked the Ron/Hermoine relationship. Harry and Ginny was badly done though in movie and books.

 

[Teelie]

Yeah, Ginny seemed kind of out of nowhere. She didn't feature prominently until later (despite being there since book one, she always was a background character) and it was only then that suddenly Harry had some kind of affection for her and she got a lot more development and "screen time" in the story. Once that train got started it wasn't going to derail so easily.

I don't know who Ron would/should have ended up with. Maybe Luna or one of the other girls in their House. I could see Ron/Luna working out better than the others. Harry/Hermoine seemed like a natural pairing but there was still a case for Ron to win her too since they were so obviously opposites and "opposites always attract".

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Harry and Luna Lovegood would of made a more natural coupling that Ginny if JK didn't want to pair him with Hermione

I agree with this, most definitely. But then he doesn't get to be Mrs. Weasley's "son".

I agree it wasn't the best written but it also wasn't terribly done. the movies rocked the Ron/Hermoine relationship. Harry and Ginny was badly done though in movie and books.

The problem is that Harry and Hermione worked vastly better in the films as well. It is kind of pathetic watching Ron win her heart, when all the film emotional resonance is with Watson and Radcliffe.

Yeah, Ginny seemed kind of out of nowhere. She didn't feature prominently until later (despite being there since book one, she always was a background character) and it was only then that suddenly Harry had some kind of affection for her and she got a lot more development and "screen time" in the story. Once that train got started it wasn't going to derail so easily.

I don't know who Ron would/should have ended up with. Maybe Luna or one of the other girls in their House. I could see Ron/Luna working out better than the others. Harry/Hermoine seemed like a natural pairing but there was still a case for Ron to win her too since they were so obviously opposites and "opposites always attract".

Ron should have never been with any of them imo. Luna was too good for him as well. He is the kind of guy who would end up in either multiple marriages, or one really horrible one where the two resent each other.

 

[Raiden]

Ron should have never been with any of them imo. Luna was too good for him as well. He is the kind of guy who would end up in either multiple marriages, or one really horrible one where the two resent each other.

I can see Ron being a bachelor at the end, and maybe become a stoner or loner and just hang out with Harry & Hermione and their kids. He can become the weird uncle in the epilogue.

 

[Octoberist]

I agree that Ginny was awful in the movies. Not the actress, but that build-up.

She seemed like a minor character who all of sudden got screen time by 'Hallows'. Then I read the books and was blown away at how important the Weasleys were. You know GOT THAT bond and love in the movies.

 

[Marvolo]

Harry and Luna Lovegood would of made a more natural coupling that Ginny if JK didn't want to pair him with Hermione

She's bit too weird for someone like him. Tho I did kind of entertain that notion.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ginny is much better in the books. The actress choice plus her barely being in the films makes her position as the "love of Harry's life" seem bizarre to say the least. Him suddenly being so in love in HBP is lol bad.

 

[Octoberist]

While I enjoyed the movies, everything felt like an afterthought (when it's not). Things just happen with no explanation.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

While I enjoyed the movies, everything felt like an afterthought (when it's not). Things just happen with no explanation.

Everything? I don't agree with this at all. The only films that really strike me that way are HBP and DH part 2.

 

[Octoberist]

Everything is a strong word to use in my argument.

 

[Breaker]

Ever since the series wrapped up in terms of film, I pretty much moved on from the franchise. Never thought about it until one of my friends told me about the author regretting Hermione and Ron as a pairing and I was like:

You're just now regretting? I understand her reason in having Hermione end up with Ron, she wanted to avoid the cliche of the main male character getting the main female character. She wanted to avoid the inevitable outcome. But as said within this thread, change for the sake of change, is almost never a good thing. Especially if you don't know how to turn it into something decent for the story.

But that was one of the most natural pairing outcomes. The books and even more so, the movies pretty much show that the two have a better pairing than anything involving Ron. Which I find kinda sad for Ron.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Idk, I kinda felt that way was present for a while, but I always thought that was just Kloves hard-on for Hermione. That being said, I feel like JK says random crap to keep in press sometimes. First, Dumbledore was gay, (there was something else controversial but I forget what), and now this.