Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows - Part 2

What did you think of Deathly Hallows Part 2?

  • Magical!

  • Almost perfect

  • Bloody good!

  • Decent

  • Meh

  • Overrated

  • Not bloody good at all

  • Glad it's over

  • Reboot! Reboot! (that's for you, Matt :P)

  • I only saw it for the Dark Knight teaser

  • Magical!

  • Almost perfect

  • Bloody good!

  • Decent

  • Meh

  • Overrated

  • Not bloody good at all

  • Glad it's over

  • Reboot! Reboot! (that's for you, Matt :P)

  • I only saw it for the Dark Knight teaser


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It did seal his fate and he was always going to pick Harry. He was never going to pick Neville or there would have been no prophecy in the first place.

I guess we're going to have to disagree here but I see the prophecy as a possible outcome of the future ,not something that is set in stone. He could have chosen a different action that would've changed the future. I don't see it as something that as soon as it was made, then nothing could change it.
 
I don't know if this will help this debate at all, but here is Rowling's explanation of the prophecy in her own words, from her official website:

I like JK, I really do. Her whole explanation hinges on Voldy not hearing the entire prophecy and doesn't make entire sense. The prophecy also does not say a lot of what she puts in this explanation, and furthermore kind of proves my point. Him only getting part of the prophecy is part of the mechanics. As is Voldy's personal prejudices.
 
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Well we don't know how Neville's parents would have died the way James and Lilly did. It was just a perfect storm of events that Voldemort himself caused that would lead to his own demise. Prophecies don't have variables or multiple paths. Everything that happened was meant to happen.
 
Well yes prophecies don't have multiple paths, thats why I don't believe Neville would have survived had Voldemort pursued him instead. I'm just saying that the prophecy is just one possible outcome of some event. Its not like every event out there is prophesied.
 
When you say marked do you mean physically marked as in Harry's scar. Or marked in the sense that the prophecy foretold it. Voldemort gave Harry the power to kill him by giving him a part of his soul so he would survive the killing curse again. So if he never attacked him would Harry eventually just become another Dumbledore and then take out Voldemort? Because the death of the Potters is what started the events that led to destroying the Horcruxes and eventually Harry controlling the elder wand. So if no action was taken wouldn't it be safe to assume Voldemort continues on with the prophecy being useless.

Yes the horcruxes were figured out by Dumbledore but Harry takes on the quest to destroy them with a lot of help.

Harry is marked by Voldy. The scar is just a symbol of this, not the actual mark imo. The only reason Harry needed [BLACKOUT]to survive the killing curse is because he needed to die in the first place. Afterall, in his attempt to kill him he made him a horcruxes.[/BLACKOUT]

Everything else is surplus. In the end, it comes down to Harry and Voldy. How they get their is the entertaining part, but not important. What matters is that Harry can kill Voldy. Why he can, not important. That he can, is.
 
Well we don't know how Neville's parents would have died the way James and Lilly did. It was just a perfect storm of events that Voldemort himself caused that would lead to his own demise. Prophecies don't have variables or multiple paths. Everything that happened was meant to happen.

It isn't even like the prophecy is doing anything. It is just a foretelling of events yet to pass.
 
Just got back all I can say is I loved it. In Fact I think it has become my favorite out of all the movies.
 
It doesn't have to name the person. Just like Anakin is never named, nor is Paul Atreides.

And no, it doesn't say "the chosen one will be picked". It says

"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches ... born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies ... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not ... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives ... the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies ..."

There is a clear narrative there. There are not two possible candidates, just the one. THE ONE. He is already approaching, there is no detour. It doesn't say Voldy "may" mark him. It says he "will" mark him.

And why is this? Because everything done sets it in motion.




Exactly. :yay:

Ok I am going to prove my point by going straight to the source. Here is J.K. Rowlings answer to it.

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/faq_view.cfm?id=84

What is the significance of Neville being the other boy to whom the prophecy might have referred?

Finally, I am answering the poll question! I am sorry it has taken so long, but let me start by saying how glad I am that this was the question that received the most votes, because this was the one that I most wanted to answer. Some of you might not like what I am going to say – but I'll address that issue at the end of my response!

To recap: Neville was born on the 30th of July, the day before Harry, so he too was born 'as the seventh month dies'. His parents, who were both famous Aurors, had 'thrice defied' Voldemort, just as Lily and James had. Voldemort was therefore presented with the choice of two baby boys to whom the prophecy might apply. However, he did not entirely realise what the implications of attacking them might be, because he had not heard the entire prophecy. As Dumbledore says:

'He [the eavesdropper] only heard the beginning, the part foretelling the birth of a boy in July to parents who had thrice defied Voldemort. Consequently, he could not warn his master that to attack you would be to risk transferring power to you.'

In effect, the prophecy gave Voldemort the choice of two candidates for his possible nemesis. In choosing which boy to murder, he was also (without realising it) choosing which boy to anoint as the Chosen One – to give him tools no other wizard possessed – the scar and the ability it conferred, a magical window into Voldemort's mind.


So what would have happened if Voldemort had decided that the pure-blood, not the half-blood, was the bigger threat? What would have happened if he had attacked Neville instead? Harry wonders this during the course of 'Half-Blood Prince' and concludes, rightly, that the answer hinges on whether or not one of Neville's parents would have been able, or prepared, to die for their son in the way that Lily died for Harry. If they hadn't, Neville would have been killed outright. Had Frank or Alice thrown themselves in front of Neville, however, the killing curse would have rebounded just as it did in Harry's case, and Neville would have been the one who survived with the lightning scar. What would this have meant? Would a Neville bearing the lightning scar have been as successful at evading Voldemort as Harry has been? Would Neville have had the qualities that have enabled Harry to remain strong and sane throughout all of his many ordeals? Although Dumbledore does not say as much, he does not believe so: he believes Voldemort did indeed choose the boy most likely to be able to topple him, for Harry's survival has not depended wholly or even mainly upon his scar.

So where does this leave Neville, the boy who was so nearly King? Well, it does not give him either hidden powers or a mysterious destiny. He remains a 'normal' wizarding boy, albeit one with a past, in its way, as tragic as Harry's. As you saw in 'Order of the Phoenix,' however, Neville is not without his own latent strengths. It remains to be seen how he will feel if he ever finds out how close he came to being the Chosen One.

Some of you, who have been convinced that the prophecy marked Neville, in some mystical fashion, for a fate intertwined with Harry's, may find this answer rather dull. Yet I was making what I felt was a significant point about Harry and Voldemort, and about prophecies themselves, in showing Neville as the also-ran. If neither boy was 'pre-ordained' before Voldemort's attack to become his possible vanquisher, then the prophecy (like the one the witches make to Macbeth, if anyone has read the play of the same name) becomes the catalyst for a situation that would never have occurred if it had not been made. Harry is propelled into a terrifying position he might never have sought, while Neville remains the tantalising 'might-have-been'. Destiny is a name often given in retrospect to choices that had dramatic consequences.

Of course, none of this should be taken to mean that Neville does not have a significant part to play in the last two novels, or the fight against Voldemort. As for the prophecy itself, it remains ambiguous, not only to readers, but to my characters. Prophecies (think of Nostradamus!) are usually open to many different interpretations. That is both their strength and their weakness.

J.K. Rowling clearly states that Voldemort could have chosen either boy, and that it was his choice that decided who the Chosen One was. This is my point, and this is where I draw the line. I am not going to argue what is clearly stated.
 
Ok I am going to prove my point by going straight to the source. Here is J.K. Rowlings answer to it.

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/faq_view.cfm?id=84



J.K. Rowling clearly states that Voldemort could have chosen either boy, and that it was his choice that decided who the Chosen One was. This is my point, and this is where I draw the line. I am not going to argue what is clearly stated.

First, there is no mention of a chosen one in the prophecy. At least the full version I can find online. It is nice explanation, but it isn't even in the prophecy the author wrote in the book.

Second, the use of Macbeth. It nice example of what I am attempting to say. Prophecy are carried out by human. It is their nature that brings it to fruition. Banquo did nothing at all to set his part of the prophecy into motion and yet it kisses him as well? Why? Because of the nature of Macbeth and his wife. The must act. Just like Voldemort must act. What makes him the man he is, is what makes him "choose" Harry. Why it is always Harry.
 
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i cant come up with a solid sentence about this movie beyond the fact that its probably one of my favorite films of all time...10/10
made me tear up more than TS3 did

So many scenes were filmed so well...Mind was blown...still a lil pissed I didnt get to see the TDKR trailer
 
My theater applauded and cheered whenever any villain died :D

Haha mine was the same as well. I lost count how many times everyone was applauding and cheering during the film. It was definitely the best theater experience I've ever had.

The film was amazing. So much to love about it...enough to vastly overshadow any minor issues I had. :applaud
 
VERY LONG REVIEW AHEAD!
I attended the midnight premiere of 'Deathly Hallows: Part 2.' I, for the most part, LOVED it!
As was the case when I reviewed 'Part 1,' I'll talk first about what I disliked about it to get that out of the way quickly, then the many things I liked about it:

MEGA- ULTRA SPOILER WARNING! DO NOT READ UNLESS YOU HAVE AT LEAST SOME KNOWLEDGE OF HOW 'DEATHLY HALLOWS' ENDED!

1. As in 'Part 1,' I was pissed off at how much they toned down Fenrir Greyback's role in the movie. He was my favorite villain in the series, the fact that they greatly toned down his role while simultaneously greatly building up the role of the much less interesting villain Scabior (The one who led the attempted rear charge across that bridge in the back of Hogwarts) really annoyed me. Though, on the plus side, the one scene of Greyback they DID include (When he kills Lavender Brown) was good, and showed how bloodthirsty and deranged he was.
2. During the scene in the Forbidden Forest when Harry confronts Voldemort, they show Hagrid being held prisoner by the Death Eaters, but they don't show how he got captured by them in the first place (In the book, Voldemort caused Hagrid's giant spiders to turn against him, swarm over him, and drag him into the forest where the Death Eaters were waiting).
3. During the Battle of Hogwarts, I was a little disappointed that they made it seem like the only ones fighting on the good guys' side were Hogwarts' students and faculty and the reanimated statues, whereas in the book, a bunch of different magical creatures help them out (i.e. The centaurs, the house- elves, Buckbeak, and Grawp).
4. (This was probably my biggest problem with the movie) In the end, they show Harry destroying the Elder Wand, yet never show him using its power to repair his own wand the way he did in the book. It would have been so easy to include that part (Especially considering how short the movie was in comparison to the others in the series), they could have even just had Harry say after destroying it, "Besides, I don't need it anymore, since I used it to fix my own one," then taking his wand out of his pocket with a smile.

Now, for everything I liked about it:
1. The battle scenes and other action sequences were amazing! Very exciting and well- staged. I especially love that they greatly built up/ expanded both Nagini's death and the ultimate showdown between Harry and Voldemort, those were both excellent scenes.
2. The dialogue scenes in the beginning when Harry talks to Griphook and then to Mr. Ollivander were handled quite well. Warwick Davis makes Griphook seem just like how I imagined the goblins in the series being; Very straightforward and to the point, yet with a distinctly menacing edge.
3. The special effects were very good. The giants looked quite threatening, the Gringotts dragon looked almost real, and the Fiendfyre (Which I'd imagine would be a difficult effect to pull off) looked just like how I imagined it from the book. The spells used were all impressive, too.
4. I definitely liked the scene with the ghost of the Grey Lady. She looked great (Both because of how beautiful she was, and because of how well she was animated), and the actress Kelly Macdonald gave an excellent performance as her.
5. The deaths were all very poignant and moving, and especially how the other characters react to their loved ones' deaths felt so realistic. Snape's death scene made me take off my hat, and seeing Parvati Patil and Professor Trelawney weeping over Lavender Brown's body and ESPECIALLY the Weasleys completely breaking down over Fred's body would be enough to make any Potter fan be in need of tissues.
6. On the subject of emotionally- affecting scenes and characters mourning over lost loved ones, I cannot give enough praise to how they handled the scene when Harry looks at Snape's memories in the Pensieve. All the child actors in the early parts of that scene were wonderful and definitely looked like how I imagined those characters would look as kids (Little Snape looked almost like a character from a Tim Burton film), and Alan Rickman was magnificent in his parts of that scene. His feelings of fear and unease over what he finds he must do were perfect, and the part when he discovers Lily's body is another moment when tissues are a must.
7. Ralph Fiennes was absolutely perfect as Voldemort here. He alternates between being terrifyingly evil, unexpectedly tempting/ persuasive (When he telepathically speaks to the people at Hogwarts as a whole, he sounds almost kind to them at times; If I were one of them, while I of course wouldn't give in to his requests, it would at least give me something to think about), and even surprisingly funny at times, yet does it all seamlessly. He really should win next year's MTV Movie Award for Best Villain.
8. The duel between Molly Weasley and Bellatrix Lestrange was one of the high points in the book, and also one of the high points of the film. It was thrilling, and it had not one but two moments in which the audience (Myself included) exploded in wild applause; When Molly gives her now- legendary line that starts the fight, and when Bellatrix finally meets the well- deserved end that fans had been craving for so long (The way her actual death was handled was quite visually impressive and fun to watch, as well). The audience was dead silent when Voldemort died, yet cheered when Bellatrix went down for good.
9. Two words: NEVILLE LONGBOTTOM! I of course knew from reading the book that the last half of 'Deathly Hallows' was Neville's finest hour, but even then, the movie's portrayal of it really outdid even the book! Between how it was written and the wonderful performance Matthew Lewis gave, I love how they show both how goofy and bumbling Neville can be, and also how amazingly brave and loyal he is. The monologue he gives when confronting Voldemort is great, even better than what happened in the book. Neville's courage in various scenes brought much laughter and applause from the audience. It also built up his friendship with Luna Lovegood (Played with her usual eccentric charm by Evanna Lynch) more than the previous films, which was nice.
10. Both of the scenes which involve King's Cross Station were great. Harry's "Dream" there did an even better job explaining things than the book's depiction of that scene (I suppose it's alright that they mostly cut out Dumbledore's backstory, as it wasn't really necessary), and the epilogue there was so cute and moving. All the child actors they used were adorable, and truly looked like they were the children of the characters who are their parents.
In summary, I give 'Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2' a 9.5 out of 10. Wonderful way to end the series, and definitely worth both a repeat viewing in the theaters, and a purchase of the DVD.
 
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the movie was great...the theater was packed full.

Voldemort's:NNNEEEEYYAAAAAAHHH!!! Had people laughing

even though i read book It was very hard for me to see
"my tonks" and lupin
dead..it was sad:csad:

Snapes tale was the highlight for me.
His love for lily
..just wow:wow:
When he finds lily's body on the floor
...man I want a prequel damnit:cmad:

Nevill Longbottom-Was the man...period

Luna- incredible

What happened to the centaurs, house elves and other creatures during the big battle?
 
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Pottermania is going wild here in the Philippines. So much hype here. I just got back from seeing it, and man, the first HP movie to top a LOTR movie IMO. UNBELIEVABLY EMOTIONAL! AMAZING BALANCE OF SPECTACLE AND CHARACTER! There was a lump in my throat almost all throughout the movie. Lots of goosebump-inducing moments.

HP1: 7/10
HP2: 7/10
HP3: 8/10
HP4: 8/10
HP5: 6.5/10
HP6: 8.5/10
HP7PT1: 7/10
HP7PT2: 9.5/10
 
Just came back from the movie. It was bloody epic! It was everything you could hope for as a conclusion. Everyone stepped up their game and Snape's story was tragic and brilliantly conveyed. I'm typing this on my bb so I'll write up something more substantial when I'm actually at my computer.
9/10 easily
 
One of my friends went to a 9am show this morning. She got there an hour early, and there already 200 people in line ahead of her. :wow:

I heard Universal Studios in FL let the people who were at the midnight shows at Citywalk into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter for free after the movie. :awesome:
 
ugh man i can't get it out of my head. I think it's finally hitting me that it's all over. I can't wait to one day pick up the books again later in life, and fully begin to mesmerize all those years and all those days standing in lines flowing through pages and anxiously awaiting the film adaptations. It is kind of a bummer, but i've never felt so satisfied before with any type of pop culture.
 
Nowhere does it say there is a choice, just that Voldy will mark the boy. Why Neville is brought up is that he fits the vague description of the "Chosen One". But it is always Harry. It is "The One", not the pair from which Voldy will choose.

It is like saying find me someone born in late May, with brown hair and the last name of Morgan. That is your savior. I am sure there would be plenty of names on that list, but only one would be the Morgan we are looking for.

But it wasn't a "vague description". The prophecy said that it would be:

-a boy, born in July of that year
-a son to parents in the Order of the Phoenix
-parents who had defied Voldemort three times

That description applies exactly to two boys: Harry and Neville. Those same three things were true about both of them at that point. Voldemort chose Harry because Neville was a pure-blood. I think if he had killed Harry, he porobably would have gone to kill Neville as well.

The prophecy did mean Harry all along, but that's only because Voldemort chose to go after him first based on something he had misheard in the first place. It was basically foretelling a sequence of events based on a misunderstanding.
 
The midnight show was amazing. The film was perfectly paced, and most of the more emotional scenes do pack a wallop. Again, the Snape montage was beautiful -- and the way they incorporated Nicolas Hooper's "Farewell to Dumbledore" in it was excellent. The ending was good, but I didn't like Harry threw the Elder Wand away without repairing his own.

The epilogue got the most laughs. I mean, this is a theater packed with HP movie fans and book fans alike -- and people laughed at how the trio looked aged. I think people were ready to go when the story ended, and there was a collective sigh when "19 Years Later" appeared instead of the end credits. (More proof that the movie should've omitted the epilogue and saved it as a post-credits scene.)
 
I'm slightly dissapointed in this film, the beginning felt WAY too rushed. Also, why the **** do they need to change stuff? I get you lose scenes for film because you can't adapt things perfectly but you don't just outright change ****! 6/10 for me.
 
The midnight show was amazing. The film was perfectly paced, and most of the more emotional scenes do pack a wallop. Again, the Snape montage was beautiful -- and the way they incorporated Nicolas Hooper's "Farewell to Dumbledore" in it was excellent. The ending was good, but I didn't like Harry threw the Elder Wand away without repairing his own.

The epilogue got the most laughs. I mean, this is a theater packed with HP movie fans and book fans alike -- and people laughed at how the trio looked aged. I think people were ready to go when the story ended, and there was a collective sigh when "19 Years Later" appeared instead of the end credits. (More proof that the movie should've omitted the epilogue and saved it as a post-credits scene.)

haha i just decided to embrace it, i never liked the epilogue and i knew it was coming (actually we all did) but i'll give Jo that scene. 7 books and 8 movies, i think she kinda deserves it. It also helped having Williams "Leaving Hogwarts" over the whole thing. Oh and I agree with the "Farewell to Dumbledore" portion. That fit the Princes tale so perfectly.
 
haha i just decided to embrace it, i never liked the epilogue and i knew it was coming (actually we all did) but i'll give Jo that scene. 7 books and 8 movies, i think she kinda deserves it. It also helped having Williams "Leaving Hogwarts" over the whole thing. Oh and I agree with the "Farewell to Dumbledore" portion. That fit the Princes tale so perfectly.

That alone made the epilogue completely worth watching. :funny:
 
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