The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[Closerframe]

After hearing the spoilers, I have to say that I'm a bit disappointed. Whatever happened to the Joker supposedly being a part of Batman 3 set against the backdrop of Two-Face being on the streets? Maybe it was idol fan speculation etc., but I swear Nolan or someone high up made mention of it...

It was David Goyer, who made this claim. But he said this before Nolan and Jonan even wrote the script. So no one should be getting mad over a bunch of speculation, just enjoy one movie Nolan makes at a time.

 

[Reek]

i hope all this turns out to be ******** twoface has to be movie 3. who the hell else are we gonna get, penquin? catwoman?

 

[Gianakin_]

Unfortunately, it's not bulls**t. And since we won't get 2Face in no3, Catwoman would probably be the best choice for it.

 

[Reek]

id rather there not be a third then have freakin catwoman or penquin.

damn. you cant go from scarecrow, to joker, catwoman or penquin.

i know i havent seen the movie, but nolan pissed in his wheaties with this one. cause regardless of how u look at it, if joker gets replaced for 3, fans will raise hell. if this twoface stuff is true(ill believe it when i see it) people will raise hell about that. saying he was venomed.

however, if the joker kills twoface ill be happy to an extent.

 

[DeaDheaD]

Maybe there isnt going to be a third movie.

 

[Gianakin_]

id rather there not be a third then have freakin catwoman or penquin.

damn. you cant go from scarecrow, to joker, catwoman or penquin.

You can go to Catwoman, Riddler and the Al Ghul family, though.

 

[Reek]

catwoman just wouldnt work IMO. riddler either, riddler would be to much like joker in nolans world IMO. catwoman, eh.

to cap of the trilogy with any other villians than joker or twoface is just a crime to me.

 

[Reek]

well bale and oldman are signed to do a 3rd arent they?

 

[DeaDheaD]

I know Bale, Oldman, are signed for three movies, but that doesnt mean they are making three.

 

[Reek]

as much money as TDK looks to make, there will be a 3rd.

i mean wtf hahah i loved the whole twoface in the last 15 minutes setting up the third.

 

[DeaDheaD]

but if everyone gets killed off in the end, it sounds likeTDK would be "wrapping the franchise up"

 

[Reek]

eh maybe if joker is in the backwork pulling the strings riddler would be ok.

but seriously. it was pretty perfect having a twoface 3rd movie. with jokers whereabouts unknown. but i guess we'll see how it plays out

 

[Reflectionist]

Don't forget that Michael Caine interview from the recent video clips:

Spoiler

I asked [Christopher Nolan] about how the thuhd one, and he said, 'dahkah.'

 

[Gianakin_]

catwoman just wouldnt work IMO. riddler either, riddler would be to much like joker in nolans world IMO. catwoman, eh.

to cap of the trilogy with any other villians than joker or twoface is just a crime to me.

Why would the Riddler be too much like Joker? With the themes established in BB and continuing in TDK (plus certain events), Catwoman would be a very rational and interesting choice.

Now, don't get me wrong, [BLACKOUT]2Face dying[/BLACKOUT] is something I don't agree with at all, but since it's a fact, we've gotta move on. There are things left open for no3 as far as Batman is concerned, and there are villains that can be flesh those themes out.

 

[Gianakin_]

Don't forget that Michael Caine interview from the recent video clips:

Spoiler

I asked [Christopher Nolan] about how the thuhd one, and he said, 'dahkah.'

I thought Caine asked Nolan that question after BB wrapped, referring to the 2nd film.

 

[Reek]

i wont believe its a fact til i see it.

im not saying they are bad villains or anything... just horrible timing. you dont cap off a trilogy with, i guess the word is average, villains. following up 2face and joker....with freakin catwoman just ruins it for me haha

 

[Reek]

like the terminator franchise in a way....first villian Ahhnuld...2nd...the t1000...then the 3rd....the tx.....which the entire time i was like thats not a villain, its a sexgoddess...just take off your shirt...

just seems like the 3rd couldnt possibly live up to expectations with villians that, lets face it, are **** compared to joker and face.

 

[Closerframe]

The Dark Knight was actually Two-Faces film, so people shouldn't get angry that he may not be in the 3rd film (if there is even going to be) honestly it wouldn't make any sense to make a 3rd film. What would be the purpose? Batman is hated by everyone, hes alone, and he understands that he will always have to protect Gotham, since its his fault to what it has become. That is the perfect way to wrap it up. Catwoman or any other villain, would serve no purpose in deepening the story or continuing Batman's journey. It ended with Joker and Two-Face, Batman's best villains ended Nolan's series. Hopefully...

 

[Mr. Earle]

The Dark Knight was actually Two-Faces film, so people shouldn't get angry that he may not be in the 3rd film (if there is even going to be) honestly it wouldn't make any sense to make a 3rd film. What would be the purpose? Batman is hated by everyone, hes alone, and he understands that he will always have to protect Gotham, since its his fault to what it has become. That is the perfect way to wrap it up. Catwoman or any other villain, would serve no purpose in deepening the story or continuing Batman's journey. It ended with Joker and Two-Face, Batman's best villains ended Nolan's series. Hopefully...

A third film will probably made. If you arent interested, then kindly, dont watch it. You can still enjoy the first 2 spiderman films without watching the 3rd.

So dont spoil it for the rest of us. You havent seen TDK yet. You dont know what nolan is planning for a sequel.

like the terminator franchise in a way....first villian Ahhnuld...2nd...the t1000...then the 3rd....the tx.....which the entire time i was like thats not a villain, its a sexgoddess...just take off your shirt...

just seems like the 3rd couldnt possibly live up to expectations with villians that, lets face it, are **** compared to joker and face.

People would have said the same thing about two-face. "Ooh its a stupid villain who flips a coin to decide whether or not to kill you" and look how Nolan handled him, how important he made Dent to Gotham and Bruce's quest. More than he ever was in the comics.

So you dont know who is going to be the next villain, how he will be handled, and what new aspect of his personality Nolan will focus on to make him important and symbolical. None of the villains in BB and TDK were handled like they are in the comics. So its premature to believe that the villains in the third film will be bland evil goons that batman will just punch.

 

[namtaB]

Do you really think Nolan will leave with so many questions unanswered?

- How will the final batcave look?
- How does the new batmobile come about and what does it look like?
- How will the reconstruction of Wayne manor pan out?
- What does Reese do with the information he's found out?
- Will Batman redeem himself in the public eye?
- Does Bruce move on from Rachel?
- What happens to Gordon and Batman now?
- Does Fox leave Wayne Enterprises permanently?

 

[Gianakin_]

Do you really think Nolan will leave with so many questions unanswered?

- How will the final batcave look?
- How does the new batmobile come about and what does it look like?
- How will the reconstruction of Wayne manor pan out?
- What does Reese do with the information he's found out?
- Will Batman redeem himself in the public eye?
- Does Bruce move on from Rachel?
- What happens to Gordon and Batman now?
- Does Fox leave Wayne Enterprises permanently?

Agreed 100%, the most iimportant of your points being Batman's redemption in they eyes of Gotham city. It's by no means a perfect way to end the current Bat-saga like this.

 

[Closerframe]

Do you really think Nolan will leave with so many questions unanswered?

- How will the final batcave look?
- How does the new batmobile come about and what does it look like?
- How will the reconstruction of Wayne manor pan out?
- What does Reese do with the information he's found out?
- Will Batman redeem himself in the public eye?
- Does Bruce move on from Rachel?
- What happens to Gordon and Batman now?
- Does Fox leave Wayne Enterprises permanently?

most of those questions can be left to the audiences judgment. Batman won't redeem himself in the public eye, in the comics the public eye labeled him an urban legend. No one has even seen the dark knight, so we don't even know if most of those questions could be answered before the films end. People will wish and think they know there will be a third film, but at this point its all speculation, no one knows what Nolan will do.

 

[Gianakin_]

People would have said the same thing about two-face. "Ooh its a stupid villain who flips a coin to decide whether or not to kill you" and look how Nolan handled him, how important he made Dent to Gotham and Bruce's quest. More than he ever was in the comics.

So you dont know who is going to be the next villain, how he will be handled, and what new aspect of his personality Nolan will focus on to make him important and symbolical. None of the villains in BB and TDK were handled like they are in the comics. So its premature to believe that the villains in the third film will be bland evil goons that batman will just punch.

No, they wouldn't have said the same thing about 2Face, he's the 2nd most important enemy (for some, he's the most important) of Batman.

And Nolan hasn't handled them exactly like the comics, but their characterisation is, for the msot part, pretty damn close, so that gives us a good indication of how the Riddler or Catwoman or whoever would be handled in a possible BB3.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Do you really think Nolan will leave with so many questions unanswered?

- How will the final batcave look?
- How does the new batmobile come about and what does it look like?
- How will the reconstruction of Wayne manor pan out?

Technical issues that Nolan isnt interested in. You really think he ll make a new film just to reconstruct the manor and the car?


Also, Nolan's Batman stories are more than simple detective stories about a dude in a batsuit solving riddles and punching bad guys. He sets moral questions, he binds characters together, he explores them, he develops them.

It would be interesting to see his batman evolve even more. At least he cares for his characters, he isnt making mindless action flicks. It would be folly to ask for another director or for Nolan to stop.

Because as good as B89 was, what was the problem Bruce ever faced? How to kick Joker's ass and whether or not to tell the reporter his identity. The reporter who vanished in thin air in the sequel, so problem solved.

Most comic book writers and fanboys dont have the ability to construct such a wonderful and convoluted story as Nolan has. Most of us would make a flick based on Batman's brooding personality, punches and riddle solving.

For me, Nolan does so much more than that.

 

[Gianakin_]

most of those questions can be left to the audiences judgment. Batman won't redeem himself in the public eye, in the comics the public eye labeled him an urban legend.

Why does his urban legend status exclude his redemption?

No one has even seen the dark knight, so we don't even know if most of those questions could be answered before the films end. People will wish and think they know there will be a third film, but at this point its all speculation, no one knows what Nolan will do.

Of course it's speculation, but you're saying a 3rd film isn't necessary and we disagree. And neither of us have seen the movie, so that puts you in the same place as us. Like you said, it's merely your speculation against ours.