Superman Returns Has anybody changed their mind about the suit?

[dr collossus]

Don't be a moron nightwing. Read what I said. You seriously think you have a leg to stand on arguing against that? If you think you do, please explain to me how you can possibly say that someone who prefers the movie suit to the comics suit is as much of a fan of the comics as someone who prefers the comics suit to the movie suit.

 

[dr collossus]

Also I know you and Saph both depserately need people to like you on these boards because you obviously have trouble making friends in the real world, but jumping on the bandwagon with petty arguments just makes you look like like an idiot. Think about that (you too Saph, mister opinion chnager) before you call me a flip flopper.

 

[dr collossus]

And if you are going to use the word 'generalisation' I suggest you look up its meaning. Saying that people who prefer the SR suit to the comics suit are lesser fans of the comics than those who prefer the comics suit to the movie suit is not a generalisation. Saying that everyone who likes the SR suit prefers it to the comics suit is.

 

[skruloos]

Don't be a moron nightwing. Read what I said. You seriously think you have a leg to stand on arguing against that? If you think you do, please explain to me how you can possibly say that someone who prefers the movie suit to the comics suit is as much of a fan of the comics as someone who prefers the comics suit to the movie suit.

Maybe people are perfectly of capable of liking or not liking an aspect of something without it affecting their opinion on the whole. Just because someone is a fan of the comics doesn't mean they have to love every single aspect of it. It is possible to not like certain aspects of a comic and still love the comic as a whole.

 

[dr collossus]

It is possible to not like certain aspects of a comic and still love the comic as a whole.

Of course it is. But if you don't like certain aspects of it (and I'm not suggesting for one second that if you like the SR suit more than the comic suit it means you don't like the comic suit at all - I don't know why people keep bringing these black and white absolutes into it), then surely, even though you love it as a whole, you can't possibly love it as much as someone who loves ALL aspects of it, can you?

 

[Saph]

Also I know you and Saph both depserately need people to like you on these boards because you obviously have trouble making friends in the real world, but jumping on the bandwagon with petty arguments just makes you look like like an idiot. Think about that (you too Saph, mister opinion chnager) before you call me a flip flopper.

No dr. collossus, you are wrong. I don't care what a few people on the internet think of me, most especially you. Your opinion is offensive and shows a lack of intelligence. That is why i'm talking wth you. I don't jump on bandwagons.

 

[Saph]

Of course it is. But if you don't like certain aspects of it (and I'm not suggesting for one second that if you like the SR suit more than the comic suit it means you don't like the comic suit at all - I don't know why people keep bringing these black and white absolutes into it), then surely, even though you love it as a whole, you can't possibly love it as much as someone who loves ALL aspects of it, can you?

That's stupid.

 

[skruloos]

Of course it is. But if you don't like certain aspects of it (and I'm not suggesting for one second that if you like the SR suit more than the comic suit it means you don't like the comic suit at all - I don't know why people keep bringing these black and white absolutes into it), then surely, even though you love it as a whole, you can't possibly love it as much as someone who loves ALL aspects of it, can you?

Now who's bringing absolutes into it? It's a bit hard for me to believe that anyone would love every aspect of anything. Nothing is perfect. As such, there will always be something to complain about. I don't think you can base strength of fandom on that. It seems that your idea of a fan would overlook any flaw in a piece. That isn't a fan to me.

And besides, why even try to rank fans anyway? It's such a nebulous concept. Is a person who is so obsessed with Star Trek that he would changes his name to Kirk Picard really that much more of a fan than someone who collects all the DVD's and knows all the episodes from each show? Or is Kirk Picard just more insane? And is that a healthy thing?

 

[dr collossus]

Who cares? I'm not trying to rank fans anyway. This is all based on a passing comment that Saph picked up on because he feels so threatened by what I said. All I was trying to say was that I would have preferred a direct translation of the comics suit onto the screen, and I can't for the life of me see why they felt the need to not do that.

 

[Saph]

Who cares? I'm not trying to rank fans anyway. This is all based on a passing comment that Saph picked up on because he feels so threatened by what I said.

I don't get threatened by stupidity, thank you very much.

All I was trying to say was that I would have preferred a direct translation of the comics suit onto the screen, and I can't for the life of me see why they felt the need to not do that.

This IS the comic suit, with a few small changes. This isn't exactly like the situation in X-Men here..

 

[dr collossus]

Stupidity? You say my argument shows a lack of intellignece, when in fact it is YOUR inability to grasp my argument that shows a lack of intelligence. Forget who's a bigger fan. I couldn't care less, its a side issue, and one that isn't even relevant seeing as no-one, to my knowledge, has even placed themselves in the hypothetical category I invented by stating their preference of the SR suit to the comics suit. And even if they did, I coudln't care less. So lets just drop it, ok?

Aside from that, its NOT the comics suit. Its a variation of it, as you rightly said yourself. What I asked was:

Why the need for the 'small changes'???????????

 

[dr collossus]

Do you think perhaps the various interpretations that were considered before this project got off the ground, coupled with Singer's previous comic movies, which are obviously a much further departure from the comics in terms of costume design, have softened you up and made you more accepting of 'small changes'?

 

[Saph]

Stupidity? You say my argument shows a lack of intellignece, when in fact it is YOUR inability to grasp my argument that shows a lack of intelligence. Forget who's a bigger fan. I couldn't care less, its a side issue, and one that isn't even relevant seeing as no-one, to my knowledge, has even placed themselves in the hypothetical category I invented by stating their preference of the SR suit to the comics suit. And even if they did, I coudln't care less. So lets just drop it, ok?

Shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. But fine, i'll drop it.

Aside from that, its NOT the comics suit. Its a variation of it, as you rightly said yourself. What I asked was:

Why the need for the 'small changes'???????????

I don't know. Probably the same reason every artist draws the costume differently.

 

[Saph]

Do you think perhaps the various interpretations that were considered before this project got off the ground, coupled with Singer's previous comic movies, which are obviously a much further departure from the comics in terms of costume design, have softened you up and made you more accepting of 'small changes'?

No, it's because the small changes are just that.. small.

 

[dr collossus]

They are small changes, but they subtly alter the entire look and feel of the costume. It's more than jsut the sum of its parts, which individually are not all that different, but as a whole I feel it is lacking in 'oomph'.

Just look at the poll results...the changes can't be that small, otherwise a majority would not have voted that they hate the suit.

 

[Saph]

Just look at the poll results...the changes can't be that small, otherwise a majority would not have voted that they hate the suit.

But you assume they dislike the suit because of the changes.

 

[dr collossus]

Er...kind of, yeah.

 

[Saph]

Er...kind of, yeah.

In which case, if they dislike the Superman suit because they just don't like the design, they are 'lesser' fans, and therefore their opinion on the suit is less valid than one of a true fan?

 

[dr collossus]

Why have you put the word lesser in quotes? It was you who originally introduced it into the argument.

 

[Saph]

Why have you put the word lesser in quotes? It was you who originally introduced it into the argument.

people who prefer the SR suit to the comics suit are lesser fans of the comics

 

[dr collossus]

You're still indicating that people who like the movie suit are lesser fans.

You said it first pipsqueak.

 

[Saph]

You said it first pipsqueak.

But you started the whole argument:
"but if you PREFER it to the modern comics suit, then you obviously don't love the character,"

Oh, and 'pipsqueak'. Nice. Unfortunately, this is the internet. Physical insults don't really apply.

 

[dr collossus]

And I thought we had finished the argument as well. I really don't know why you can't let it go.

 

[dr collossus]

Getting back to the point, the reason I assumed that the people who hate the SR suit hate it because it differs from the comic suit was because I also assumed that what people want is a Superman movie, not a 'what if Superman was more like Saph' movie.

 

[Saph]

Getting back to the point, the reason I assumed that the people who hate the SR suit hate it because it differs from the comic suit was because I also assumed that what people want is a Superman movie, not a 'what if Superman was more like Saph' movie.

Keep it coming. Your posts are hilarious!