Days of Future Past Have you seen X-Men: First Class? Post here!

[dru-zod2501]

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Nah, Charlie is doing it all by himself)

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now, let's be clear. Xavier was the one who used Cerebro; Hank was the one who built it. But you're right, no Magneto involvement

 

[chaseter]

Some more thoughts on the film a day after seeing it, the main issues I'm having is with Mystique. It seems like an odd criticism but given the character that appears in the later stories Jennifer Lawrence brings a level of depth and emotion that is too good. Maybe I was just surprised by the level of her involvement, for 3 movies the character was a cardboard cutout pretty much there to look hot and do some action. But here she's a grounded, well rounded character who just wants to be accepted for who she is, she is strong yet vulnerable, she's such an engaging character that you end up caring for her, and it bugs me! It shouldn't, but it does. I just can't look at this endearing girl and see the same character present in X1, X2 and X3, I can for Charles and for Eric, but not Mystique, it's like day and night. It's so strange loving a performance and a character yet having it bug the crap out of you. Kudos to Jennifer Lawrence, that girl has a big future.

That sounds more like a complaint against X1-3 and not this movie. We still have future movies to see if they tell how Mystique became cold blooded to match her appearance.

 

[J.Howlett]

jmc,

Some more thoughts on the film a day after seeing it, the main issues I'm having is with Mystique. It seems like an odd criticism but given the character that appears in the later stories Jennifer Lawrence brings a level of depth and emotion that is too good. Maybe I was just surprised by the level of her involvement, for 3 movies the character was a cardboard cutout pretty much there to look hot and do some action. But here she's a grounded, well rounded character who just wants to be accepted for who she is, she is strong yet vulnerable, she's such an engaging character that you end up caring for her, and it bugs me! It shouldn't, but it does. I just can't look at this endearing girl and see the same character present in X1, X2 and X3, I can for Charles and for Eric, but not Mystique, it's like day and night. It's so strange loving a performance and a character yet having it bug the crap out of you. Kudos to Jennifer Lawrence, that girl has a big future.

See, I feel exactly the way you do except I know want to know what the hell warped her into that instrument of death that stands at Magneto's side in the trilogy.

Like, I have got to see that story. Hell, she still loves Charles dearly at the end of this...and contrast that to her sabotaging Cerebro in X-Men!

I mean, Magneto did a number on her on future films we haven't seen yet....Christ! I mean, it's sad as hell when you think about her in the trilogy now, after seeing this film.

And yes, Jennifer Lawrence is the real deal.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I thought it was weird too,especially since she seems more callus in the other films, yet I found a subtle way to rationalize her attack against Xaiver in X-1, in that film Charles was left in a coma from her sabotage, yet coincidently awoke after the liberty island encounter. My personal belief that she just meant to keep him out of it while Erik did his thing.

 

[PWN3R]

It had an amazing pace, Lee Smith is the man.

AMEN.

The training montage was so well executed. I was literally grinning and nudging my friend like a dumb-ass.

 

[jmc]

That sounds more like a complaint against X1-3 and not this movie. We still have future movies to see if they tell how Mystique became cold blooded to match her appearance.

But even then, it still not going to feel like the same character, it's just way too big of a leap coz there's redeemable qualities to the character I witnessed, especially considering she basically grew up with Charles. There are none in the follow up stories, she is cold and sterile.

 

[J.Howlett]

And even more interesting is the fact that Xavier and Mystique are never seen together in the original trilogy...at all.

And even cooler, even though I hate the film with a passion, Mystique's final scene in the Last Stand where she changes to human form and Magneto says "She was beautiful once" completely has more weight to it now....(still not going to make me like that film).

 

[dru-zod2501]

This movie had the worst trailers ever in front of it! I was getting worried with Spy Kids, that dumb Kevin James movie, and some other crap that this movie was going to be childish.

Will be seeing this again tomorrow!

funny we had different trailers in mine.

Mr Popper's Penguins
Transformers: Dark of the Moon
Rise of the Planet of the Apes

 

[J.Howlett]

jmc,

Still, there's a 38 year gap between First Class and X-Men. We have no idea what warped her...but it's intriguing as hell to find out.

 

[PWN3R]

Mystique's arc and her relationship with Xavier added so much to this franchise. Fassbender withstanding, that was my favorite part.

 

[jmc]

See, I feel exactly the way you do except I know want to know what the hell warped her into that instrument of death that stands at Magneto's side in the trilogy.

Like, I have got to see that story. Hell, she still loves Charles dearly at the end of this...and contrast that to her sabotaging Cerebro in X-Men!

I mean, Magneto did a number on her on future films we haven't seen yet....Christ! I mean, it's sad as hell when you think about her in the trilogy now, after seeing this film.

And yes, Jennifer Lawrence is the real deal.

That's what I'm talking about, something extraordinarily terrible must be planned for her, and it will be sad, deeply sad. She's just wants to be herself, in many ways she's the heart and soul of the film.

 

[The Morningstar]

But even then, it still not going to feel like the same character, it's just way too big of a leap coz there's redeemable qualities to the character I witnessed, especially considering she basically grew up with Charles. There are none in the follow up stories, she is cold and sterile.

I dunno, I thought Mystique had some decent character moments in the original films. Especially in X-2 with her little talk with Nightcrawler. Sometimes a single line of dialogue is a great piece of characterisation.

 

[chaseter]

But even then, it still not going to feel like the same character, it's just way too big of a leap coz there's redeemable qualities to the character I witnessed, especially considering she basically grew up with Charles. There are none in the follow up stories, she is cold and sterile.

So? You're befuddled that they gave a character that had no character development in X1-3 actual character development? They didn't give Rebecca tons of dialogue because she isn't a good actress. She was there as someone mentioned for boobs and action.

She didn't try to kill Charles in X1. She just wanted him incapacitated. Same for Magneto. They could have killed him 20 times over. It's obvious that Mystique is Magneto's right hand woman just like Emma was Shaw's right hand woman in this. The man that she follows held all the power and told them what to do. Plus as we can also see, Mystique and Erik were obviously lovers. Families in real life can grow apart from their loved ones when they marry someone controlling and manipulative. Lastly, Mystique has had it hard her entire life. The more she grows to hate humans, the more her outlook on life because colder and Charles represents humanity.

 

[bullets]

I'd love to see a First Class Part too. I really enjoyed this cast. Also a lot of solid action. This is up there with the best of them. They did a better job with the team aspect. Also thought Beast's arc was awesome. That was a cool transformation scene.

8/10

 

[dru-zod2501]

Some more thoughts on the film a day after seeing it, the main issues I'm having is with Mystique. It seems like an odd criticism but given the character that appears in the later stories Jennifer Lawrence brings a level of depth and emotion that is too good. Maybe I was just surprised by the level of her involvement, for 3 movies the character was a cardboard cutout pretty much there to look hot and do some action. But here she's a grounded, well rounded character who just wants to be accepted for who she is, she is strong yet vulnerable, she's such an engaging character that you end up caring for her, and it bugs me! It shouldn't, but it does. I just can't look at this endearing girl and see the same character present in X1, X2 and X3, I can for Charles and for Eric, but not Mystique, it's like day and night. It's so strange loving a performance and a character yet having it bug the crap out of you. Kudos to Jennifer Lawrence, that girl has a big future.

That sounds more like a complaint against X1-3 and not this movie. We still have future movies to see if they tell how Mystique became cold blooded to match her appearance.

Is it too much to imagine for now that this a happy reboot? and that this well-crafted relationship can be explored without worrisome continuity and other crap reminding us of the past?

 

[J.Howlett]

Morningstar,

That line from X2 directly links back to how she thinks at the end of this film. And jmc, yeah, it's going to be sad to see what exactly happened to her because of how this film plays Mystique against Charles and Erik.

If we get a sequel, I see that as a major source of drama. You gotta feel like Mystique will go back and forth between the two in the next installment just because of how much time she spent with Charles.

God, I can't get Jennifer Lawrence's performance out of my mind. It's just a stunner.

 

[jmc]

I dunno, I thought Mystique had some decent character moments in the original films. Especially in X-2 with her little talk with Nightcrawler. Sometimes a single line of dialogue is a great piece of characterisation.

I think that's a bit of a stretch, I read somewhere that piece of dialog was thrown in as a nod to the comics more than anything else. It kinda makes me wonder, and in some ways hope, that if this turns into a series that Mystique is the backbone of it, coz suddenly she's become a tragic character.

 

[jmc]

So? You're befuddled that they gave a character that had no character development in X1-3 actual character development? They didn't give Rebecca tons of dialogue because she isn't a good actress. She was there as someone mentioned for boobs and action.

She didn't try to kill Charles in X1. She just wanted him incapacitated. Same for Magneto. They could have killed him 20 times over. It's obvious that Mystique is Magneto's right hand woman just like Emma was Shaw's right hand woman in this. The man that she follows held all the power and told them what to do. Plus as we can also see, Mystique and Erik were obviously lovers. Families in real life can grow apart from their loved ones when they marry someone controlling and manipulative. Lastly, Mystique has had it hard her entire life. The more she grows to hate humans, the more her outlook on life because colder and Charles represents humanity.

In many ways yes I am befuddled because I wasn't expecting it, it was a pleasant surprise but one that left me trying to work out how this take on the character can possible link with the take that was already done. This version of Mystique is infinitely better than what came before, but at the moment it's like night and day. It's probably more a criticism on the previous films for leaving the character as a cardboard cutout.

 

[J.Howlett]

jmc,

I can see the dilemma you're struggling with but I think the key is time. There's just so much time between this film and X-Men that anything could've changed her.

We see one vague moment in the scene between her and Charles in the kitchen after she's embraced herself. It's subtle, but it's there.

 

[chaseter]

She spends more time with Erik than she does Charles...I don't see how it is shocking how she would change after 40 years.

 

[D.P.]

I just got home from seeing it.

I would like to say that X-Men 1-3 no longer exist to me.

This movie was damn good and nailed everything that the X-Men SHOULD have been IMO.

You all should thank Nolan & The Dark Knight for giving birth to this new age of comic films. Look for hero movies to have a more serious (not necessarily "dark") tone from now on.

 

[bullets]

Also you got to think after several years of fighting on opposite sides she's lost sight of their friendship.

 

[chaseter]

Don't forget to throw out Wolverine too DP!

 

[J.Howlett]

Well, unfortunately, I can't throw out X-Men and X2. There's just too many connections to those films with this film. The Last Stand and Origins Wolverine? No problem doing so.

But, this does feel very Batman Begins...which kind of disappoints me because with that film, Nolan made a point that those other films don't exist in this canon.

With First Class, it feels like the team can't make up their minds as to whether to start over and connect it to canon. It's a half and half. That's a slight flaw for me.

 

[jmc]

jmc,

I can see the dilemma you're struggling with but I think the key is time. There's just so much time between this film and X-Men that anything could've changed her.

We see one vague moment in the scene between her and Charles in the kitchen after she's embraced herself. It's subtle, but it's there.

Maybe if her relationship with Charles wasn't present or was downplayed it would be be easier to swallow, but I just don't buy it at the moment, they clearly care for each other. The only thing I can think of is that what ever makes her become the way she is in the future stories Charles has to be the cause of it, there has to be some moment where he stabs her in the back that turns her into this cold, sterile killer. Anything short of that and it won't merge, she has to hate him.