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Saw it yesterday morning I give it 8 out of 10 as good as Iron Man.

I was surprised how much I liked Kevin Bacons Shaw he was very cool and he got a huge power upgrade from his comic counterpart. I found January Jones a bit boring as Emma Frost to be honest. Eveyone else was great

anyway I'll answer a few questions

RealIrOnMaN,

Could you describe Magneto's red costume to the best of your ability?
He wears a red military jacket style not to different from the one Sebastian Shaw wears in the movie with a cape and the helmet
Other bunch of questions:

1. Mention to Quicksilver, Polaris, Scarlet Witch or Magda by Xavier?
2. Muir Island appears or is mentioned?
3. Toad and Sabretooth are mentioned or appears?
4. Sometimes ago there was a rumor about Azazel said to Mystique that she has "his son" (Nightcrawler nod). There is that scene? Is mentioned the possibility of Nigtcrawler, son of Azazel and Mystique?
1.No mention of any of Magnetos kids his about 30 in the movie and his in his nazi hunting stage in his life like he was in the comics.
2.Muir island is not mentioned as far as I remember
3.no mention of Toad and Sabertoth
4.no mention at all of nightcrawler and Mystique and Azazel don't have any talking or alone scenes together that doesn't mean they don't in the future though as they are on the same team at the end of the movie
@ RealIrOnMaN.

1. Is there alot of action?

2. How much screen time doe's White Queen, Angel, and Mystique get?

3. Is there bad humor?

4. Is there quote worthy lines?

5. Is Magneto's classic suit basically fabric based?

what's Wolverine's cameo??
1.Lots of action
2. White Queen has a fair bit of screentime but disappears for a while in the movie until the very end. She does't really have any action scenes besides kicking someone

Angel appears about half way through the movie and is involved a fair bit in the final battle

Mystique is in the movie the most out of the character you listed
3. The humor was fine. McAvoy is funny as Charles Xavier he has a few one liners

4. If your a fan of the comics there are a few quote worthy lines Shaw says things like "we are children of the atom" and "they will hate and fear us"

5.Magntos costume is fabric based for more details read my spoiler tagged answers above
Nice.

How do Scott and Ororo appear? Does Charles find them with Cerebro or something?
They appear when Charles first goes on Cerebro. thousands of mutants pop up a young women looking like storm and a a young boy with cyclops tademark ruby red sunglasses plaing baseball show up
just a question about shaws mutant power.

is his mutant power similar to wolverine? is he ageless as well? if yes. do they explain it in a way that makes sense? is shaw like the oldest ageless mutant ever? it would explain shaw being older looking at the begining and younger later on in the film.
Shaws power is to absorb kenetic energy and rechannel it sort of like Bishop and Gambit in the comics only more powerful. They don't say how old Shaw is but his been around for a while the kenetic energy keeps him young later on when he absorbs some nuclear energy he ages alot
 
@ Lex - Agree on every point, especially the score. The cons are especially spot on. On Frost, Jones was better than I expected, but no where near good enough. She was just there, Emma Frost should command the screen. And yeah, the final Magneto costume was ******.
 
Neither. Just a single mention, because
Stryker has said something unpleasant about Charlie & the mutant community overall & Xavier needed to fire back)

Actually, having just saw the film a couple of hours ago the reference to Stryker is actually refering to
'Willaim' Stryker i.e the CIA agent is William Stryker's father as Xavier actually says 'your son William'

But it's better to just wait and see the film as unspoiled as you can as it will be more enjoyable i'm sure
 
"Go eff yourself"

Best line in the whole movie ;)

Really enjoyed this! 8 out of 10. The direction and style of the film was great.
 
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As for Charles and Erik -
Charles saved Eriks life.

I think its rather clear Xavier is the closest thing Eriks ever had to a real friend. He has seen his mind and knows what his been through. Erik thought if anyone could understnad him charles could. Erik saw Charles as naive and idealistic he had lived in a wealthy protected life (something Mystique brings up too). Erik perhaps thought if he showed Charles the reality of what humans are like he may join him.

As for the kids
I agree they mastered their powers vey quickly but hey this is a movie. Every superhero has a superhero learn to control their powers in very sort spaces of time.

Xavier and Magneto alone could not stop all five members of the Hellfire Club as Magneto said shaw has his army we need ours.

As for them being scared they only just found out other mutants exist a short time before they were showing each other their powers then there is a surprise attack by some evil mutants who slaughter CIA agent around.

At the end of the attack they do try and fight back which shows they are not scared anymore although it ends with Darwin being killed which I agree doesn't make much sense

For the women comment
The movie was set in the 60s and the director made it rather obvious it was a sexist time. The scantily clad women fitted Vaughns Bond view point of the film. In bond films from the 60s there were scantily clad women and the director was simply copying that

Fox picked which characters were used and unfortunatley they don't care about which characters are most popular or if they fit with comic continuity after 5 X-Men movies it shouldn't really come as surprise as thats there policy and it will probably reamin that way as long as Fox are making these movies

As fans we either have to accept that and look past it or not but thats the reality of the way it is.


Pros: Bacon, of course. He combines cheese and malice so expertly that it's an absolute riot to watch him. He's having fun with the role, and it definitely shows.


Cons: Emma Frost. She's more basic than fierce, and not quite Emma Frost material. Jones' acting leaves much to be desired, as does her role in the third act, [BLACKOUT]or lack thereof.[/BLACKOUT] I hope she gets a chance to shine in the sequel, if any (there better be if heads won't roll).

Azazel way of killing people
dropping the CIA agents
was awesome

Glad I'm not the only one who though January Jones Emma Frost was a little bland.

Bacon as Shaw rocked he was super confident I think he had a line that went something like "I tend to get what I want" his really hard to kill and has been around for a while so his personality matched his character. Even when
He knew the X-Men were ciming after him and Magneto wanted to kill him he still took it in his stride like it was not a big deal he hardly broke a sweat :woot:
 
Regarding the young mutants' training

It had to happen in a short space of time as Shaw was simultaneously moving forward with his deadly plans so you couldn't have a gap of several months or years. They said it was a week.

And on...

Darwin's death. Well, his powers weren't as extreme as in the comics. Like all the mutants in all the films, their powers are toned down and made a little more limited/realistic so they are not invincible and indestructible. Evidently, that ball of energy that Shaw absorbed from Havok was too much for Darwin to handle, especially from the inside. His powers could also be interpreted as reacting to external environmental pressures, so an internal energy explosion would be something he couldn't handle. But, regardless of his powers, it served a purpose of showing these kids the threat they were up against and heightened the sense of risk/danger, so that any one of them might be destroyed next. It made Shaw look even more evil.
 
Regarding the young mutants' training

It had to happen in a short space of time as Shaw was simultaneously moving forward with his deadly plans so you couldn't have a gap of several months or years. They said it was a week.

And on...

Darwin's death. Well, his powers weren't as extreme as in the comics. Like all the mutants in all the films, their powers are toned down and made a little more limited/realistic so they are not invincible and indestructible. Evidently, that ball of energy that Shaw absorbed from Havok was too much for Darwin to handle, especially from the inside. His powers could also be interpreted as reacting to external environmental pressures, so an internal energy explosion would be something he couldn't handle. But, regardless of his powers, it served a purpose of showing these kids the threat they were up against and heightened the sense of risk/danger, so that any one of them might be destroyed next. It made Shaw look even more evil.

Great comment, totally agree. The fact is that this is a story for the big screen told within 2 hours and things happen in order to further the story and create necessary conflict so that we care about what's going on. Every film asks its audience to take a leap of faith because a film which follows the 3 act structure has to revolve around conflict for it to be interesting and dramatic and the stakes need to be high.
Having the X-team train for 5 years wouldn't exactly raise the level of tension and threat especially for the final battle.

Again, i think understanding the different story telling mediums between film and comic books might make people's acceptance of this transition a little easier. For example, the law's within a film must stay consistent and the tone uniform; now imagine if they planted time traveler Bishop or Cable into the film's realistic, limited sci-fi setting. It would be ridiculous and a step to left field for the average audience member to accept and too big a concept for the rule's established in the film series. In short you cannot introduce everything from the comics just because its in the comics, old argument I know but one that is constantly ignored. Sigh
 
Hugh Jackman's cameo in this should be the new online Rick Roll
 
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The scene where Charles is crippled was easily my favourite part of the film, it really was shocking, and seeing Erik almost begging Charles to join him was really great
 
Hugh Jackman's cameo in this should be the new online Rick Roll

I concur. However, it should be one to counteract the original 'Rick Roll' abomination. :woot::cwink:
 
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Two key points he makes is the lingerie-loving in the film and the character relationships.
We all love a little lingerie but it got distracting and just got really odd at points.

Read the comics, that's just about exactly what the White Queen wears in them.
 
Just a reminder that the spoiler tag rule is still in effect. The movie doesn't open in the US until tomorrow, so not everyone has seen it yet.
 
Okay,

I wasn't going to post a fairly lengthy review of the film that I have just seen tonight, but after mulling some of the more memorable scenes and the lines over in my mind, I just couldn't resist.

I gave it a ten based purely on emotional resonance - it's X-Men after all! There's something about a plethora of rich, fascinating, unique and embodied characters that it's just hard for me not to get drawn into them and their world.

Though it's not entirely perfect, what they do get right is a lot more than they get 'wrong.' I loved every bit of it. It was a childhood joy to watch - an even mix of gravitas, aplomb and adventure.

The film was beautifully and cleverly intertwined with the Cuban missile crisis and you get a lump dose of an American history lesson, with liberties of course.

Fun, colourful but not overtly so, and the editing was ingenious particularly during the training sequence. The power usage was just wondrous to look at, and originally well done.

Let's start with the characters.

Magneto. Oh, he really stole the show. He really pulls the rug out from under you, and somehow makes you feel so sympathetic for him at the same time. You marvel at how he puts his metal to work: :eek: He is the epitome of badass, but with an extremely heartfelt tragic-revenge trajectory. He is so human, he is now just another example of how he's become one of my favourite movie characters next to Bond and Batman, in that I initially never related to them, but thanks to deeper insight into their origins with their reboot (I know, more comparisons but they make sense in this context), I did.

One of my favourites is the
anchor ripping through the ship and then trying to pull back the sumbarine. As well as the bar scene with the knife, wow. And the barbed wires against the soldiers. So badass. To me, that represents his desperation and rage at trying to locate the source of his trauma - Sebastian Shaw of course. And the confrontation at the end had that nice full circle feel to it; he wants to find closure but at a cost of eye for an eye, and what Erik did with the coin. And Xavier's yelling in horror; you just know that he's feeling Shaw's pain :eek:
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And the friendship that grew between Erik and Xavier was insightful, organic and unexpectedly touching. When it hurts, it does hurt.
It was sad and a testament to both of the actors' perfomances when Charles dives into Erik's head to glean at images of his mother. But you cheer when he efforts to swing the satellite dish towards him. You feel his exertions. At the end, when Xavier is shot in the back, even though Erik really wanted to kill the humans, his concern for his friend overrode that. I loved that. And he wanted him by his side, but Charles had to go and dash his hopes didn't he? I almost wish Erik went down a different path and stay with Charles, because he has so much potential to be good, as the latter had impressed upon him during the training sequence.

But I have to ask: how did Shaw 'lose' Erik, after the concentration camp scenes? I would've thought he'd wanted to keep tabs on Erik all those years. What was he doing in Switzerland?

And I wonder why the young Erik didn't attempt to kill Shaw, considering he really bludgeoned those soldiers to death?

Professor Xavier. Haha. I loved his sense of goofiness at the beginning before he settles down to be the amazing, mature and clued-in guidance leader that he becomes. And his sibling relationship with Mystique was very sweet too.
It hurt as well when they parted ways at the end. But it was such a nice touch that both acknowledged each other's influences in their lives. Even Charles prompted Raven to go with Erik, as that's what her heart ultimately wanted. And it was another nice 'full circle' cinematic motif with the introductory scene in the kitchen - down to the opening the fridge - between young Charles and Raven and the older versions, with the more confident but upset Mystique by the former unintentionally trying to hold her back.

He's such a great moral compass, but perhaps he should've shown more of a conflict as far as these kids were concerned, ie Angel defecting to the Hellfire Club.

It was such a shock when he got shot in the back, and crippled. Wow. Loganbabe had lamented that he shouldn't have been disabled so soon, but I wouldn't have traded that high point for anything. It was tragic, really drove home the crux of the friendship between the two most powerful polar opposites in the world, and it really made Moira McTaggert the unintented recipient of his perpetual immobility. Erik was tortured, but he had to leave him knowing that he was in safe hands.

Oh and his powers were incredibly showcased. He really reminds you that he is a formidable force to be reckoned with.
I love the 'telescoping/zooming' telepathic effects: commandeering someone else. It's a bit like what Karma would do. It shows his signature, similar to Emma Frost's.
Have faith, Loganbabe. :D

Mystique. She really exemplifies the psychological conflict of the film. She carries heart: ambivalence and pride at being different. Erik bringing her around was just believable: you can see why she buys into his worldviews.
Too bad Beast sort of spurned her away because he wanted so badly to fit in. And Mystique felt the sting a little.

Her lack of action in the end was a little disappointing; they could have had her at least joining in on the Azazel/Beast fight. Instead of replicating Shaw, she could have instead done Beast and confused the hell out of Azazel. And bust a few moves in the process. However the fact she's still pertinent to the story emotionally makes up for it. And it does shows that there's at least a lot more to look forward to in the sequels: her acrobatic, agile training.

I forgot - her reactions during the CIA raid were funny because she was genuinely frightened, but that you know that she'll eventually become a sleek, elegant and deadly machine with amazing kicks. Ha ha.

Beast. One of my favourite characters from the comics: he really had the essence of his character down pat. It is his adolescent origin after all; awkward but with the most brains out of everyone. He really helped, in scientific terms, put the formation of the X-Men on the map. You can sense he will have more of a hand that way in future sequels. Now all I want to see his love for twinkies and that good-natured humour that he is famed for.

I'm deaf so I don't know if he said 'Oh my stars and garters?' Did he?

His growling explosions at Erik and later on in the Blackbird were just fantastic. And his fight with Azazel was awesome. Great teamwork with Havok.

Amusing how he 'outran' Xavier, without showing the usual 'speed' effects. But i have to wonder, if he didn't mind doing that, and that he can fairly easily accommodate his big feet into the shoes, why take the cure?

Sebastian Shaw. He sold me as a fervent villain from the get go. My god.
His delighted laughs as young Erik unleashes his fury were notable, and well utilised compared to the stock mwahaha. And he really made Magneto work like a dog all the way to the end. What a great antagonist.

Emma Frost. Meow. She had presence, at least as far as her character goes. She photographs well and is very comfortable in what little clothing she likes to strut in. With a little bit more of her worldviews fleshed out, as well as the backdrop of the Hellfire Club (ie, she could've been revealed to be a financial contributor), she would've been much more interesting. But i was quite happy with her because she's one of the characters that seem archetypal but that she flaunts it, knowing that she is well developed at least as far as the comics go.

I was happy with her because she was important in the first half, and her psychically simulated sex with the general was quite funny. The fact that she was captured by Xavier and Lensherr so easily seems to make her look weak though. And I'm disappointed that there was no psychic battle between the telepaths, as initially reported by Vaughn to be an 'Inception' style battle, which was why it was scrapped. I wish he'd had put something similar to replace it. Oh well. More for the sequel, I'm sure. I do like her diamond effects when she is using telepathy; quite nice.

Banshee. What a comedian. I loved his sense of joy as he learns to fly, and at the climax - he was a natural and did a couple of mean moves with it! I love his sonic screams and Banshee's training was hilarious -
Magneto's 'What?' and the subsequent reprimand after he pushed the terrified Banshee out from the satellite dish was classic.

He worked very well with Havok - you get the sense that they are true teammates. And the fight with Angel was great to see after the four X-Men films that had very, very little aerial dogfighting, so to speak.

Havok. My best friend was surprised when I told him that Havok was Cyclops' brother. You can tell that he grapples with keeping his power under control, but he knows it can be used to his advantage and to everybody else, so he has to channel it effectively. And effectively he did, thanks to the Professor. His training segment was a chuckle or two moment.
No sense of leadership skills, but then again there's always the sequel.

Darwin. His version allowed for the intriguing potential of his powers to be explored. He gets on well with the teammates. He seems a light-hearted, fun character. But
he had to go and die. His death, though economically meaningful was to show that there ARE casualties in this war, forcing those 'kids' to grow up, was a little abrupt. He had potential to go further with his powers, but I think that's the deliberate irony. Although I wished Darwin would've clamped his gums shut when Shaw put that kinetic explosive energy into him.

I like the fact that he was the only one who put up his defenses when Shaw and the Hellfire Club attacked the CIA Headquarters. And he really tried to protect Angel, thinking she was merely tricked. In effect he showed some initiative. I'm deaf, so

Angel.
Damn betrayal she pulled. Although she explains her standpoint, the switcheroo happens a little too quickly. She should've at least hesitated - some breathing room between Shaw giving them a choice to change sides - or some of her 'friends' should've at least tried to talk her out of it more, ie the Hellfire Club are killing innocent people, are you sure you want to be a part of that? But I like her sense of worldliness. She is what Mystique eventually adopts. But her distinctive voice sort of fades away after that.

However she holds the medal for being the other character in the X-Men films to be actually shown flying, and up close. After four films where you have all these potentially airborne characters who never fly in the way we'd have wanted them to, that was refreshing to watch.

Azazel. Oh my god. He was, to beat the dead horse again, a badass. You know what I'm talking about. 'Nuff said. :D

Riptide. His powers demonstration was actually quite cool; I only wished that he spoke more or at least a sense of why he's there or with Shaw. Just because Shaw is the leader and speaks for them doesn't mean we're led to believe that the members can't have other viewpoints, rather than assuming that they simply just want world domination or don't like the humans.

Oh my god, i just remembered that there might have been cut scenes.
In the behind the scenes featurette, there was a scene of Riptide and Azazel showing Angel walking up to the map. They were speaking, and and had actual lines! :eek: Why was that edited down?

Moira McTaggert. Some reviews had mentioned that she was relegated to background chewing scenery, similar to Emma Frost, but I disagree. Other than being probably the only pro-mutant human,
she actually pushed for the formation of the X-Men, got them into (brief) alignment with the CIA. Really, she raised the flag on Xavier's radar as to other mutants out there. And obviously she'll still figure into future sequels despite the mind wiping, I think that's sad Xavier felt the need to resort to that because he wanted to protect his kind. And he did have feelings for her too
. So wtf are the reviews talking about? She was a strong character who showed initiative as well, a bit like Darwin.

That infamous cameo. Well -
though it was funny, I had to think about why Charles and Erik would just give up on him like that... It'd be funny if he had turned around and weighed in on what they had to say, and to join them. That would remarkably kill off X1 and X2 so far out of continuity they would not be in orbit.

Now some of the lines that I love. All said from the trailers really, about peace and killing and we are better and there's so much good inside you!

Well, all in all, an awesome film, for lack of a better word. My brain is goo right now from cutting my knuckles on this very long review, and I never do this. Hooray! Now for the second viewing sometime soon!!! :D
 
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Just a reminder that the spoiler tag rule is still in effect. The movie doesn't open in the US until tomorrow, so not everyone has seen it yet.

Eeek! Sorry danoyse, it slipped my mind for a second. My apologies to everyone.
 
I was surprised Riptide had no lines I know the actor does not speak English super well but he could of spoke Spanish with subtitles like other characters did
 
I was surprised Riptide had no lines I know the actor does not speak English super well but he could of spoke Spanish with subtitles like other characters did

It's funny you say that, because I touch upon that briefly in my review - where there seemed to be a longer scene revealed in the 20 min featurette that seemed to indicate at actual lines.
 
I'm still a little confused on how this film is supposed to fit in to things. I understand they pretty much ignored X3 and Wolverine, but it sounds like some things are changed from X1 and X2. Yet overall they are trying to tie this in to the existing series, so it's not really a true reboot.
 
I think its rather clear Xavier is the closest thing Eriks ever had to a real friend. He has seen his mind and knows what his been through. Erik thought if anyone could understnad him charles could. Erik saw Charles as naive and idealistic he had lived in a wealthy protected life (something Mystique brings up too). Erik perhaps thought if he showed Charles the reality of what humans are like he may join him.

It's funny, because although Erik makes a comment about him having a "hard time" in his mansion, the way this was written came across as little more than a joke for the scene. There's little indication about their understanding of one another, or of Erik's knowledge of Charles' background, prior to this scene. If Erik knew Charles lived in a huge mansion and had excessive wealth, then seeing the mansion wouldn't have evoked that response in him, so I can only guess that Erik didn't know that much about Charles' life before that. Perhaps he did view him as naive, but I don't think it was handled as well as it could have been. And I think what was more disappointing was that I don't think their relationship, as written, was nearly as effective as it could have been, nor did it seem particularly deep.

I agree they mastered their powers vey quickly but hey this is a movie. Every superhero has a superhero learn to control their powers in very sort spaces of time.

Xavier and Magneto alone could not stop all five members of the Hellfire Club as Magneto said shaw has his army we need ours.

As for them being scared they only just found out other mutants exist a short time before they were showing each other their powers then there is a surprise attack by some evil mutants who slaughter CIA agent around.

At the end of the attack they do try and fight back which shows they are not scared anymore although it ends with Darwin being killed which I agree doesn't make much sense

Don't misunderstand me - I get why, in a film, the montage exists. That doesn't mean I think it's a good device. "Every superhero... learns to control their powers in very short spaces of time" - funnily enough, not the case in X1 or X2. And I can understand children being scared, and then being pushed to fight after the death of their own, it's just that in my opinion this montage was part of a bigger syndrome: the characters, and the children especially, weren't all that well written. Why was Havok in prison? Why couldn't he play well with others? That doesn't matter, as long as he gets to play the typical dumb jock foil to Beast and call him names to push him into taking his "cure". What about Banshee? He had even less characterization, and the same goes for Angel and Darwin. I know that these characters fall on the bottom of the tier, but I'll compare a character such as Pyro from X2. He's somewhere on the scale around Havok, I think, and yet the scene in which he looks scornfully - longingly - at the family photograph in the Drakes' home exposed a swath of emotional disturbance in a succinct way. I know they tried to give Mystique and Beast their "we're so ugly" story, but I don't think it was handled as effectively, personally.

The movie was set in the 60s and the director made it rather obvious it was a sexist time. The scantily clad women fitted Vaughns Bond view point of the film. In bond films from the 60s there were scantily clad women and the director was simply copying that

Maybe, then, my distaste is not aimed entirely at Jane Goldman but should be as Vaughn as well. I'd sum up my point as: this is X-Men, not James Bond. It feels as though the film were made by somebody whose entire understanding of the 60s hinges on Bond and Austin Powers, and they've brought that same level of kitsch to the X-Men. I think it bothers me because the previous films (X1 and X2, certainly) didn't seem like they had that same level of camp. I think someone else in the thread said this already, but if not, I'll say it - for these characters, living in their present, that time period is not "retro". So I think it's a bit odd that the film was painted in these retro tones that take away from some of the seriousness that had been established.

Fox picked which characters were used and unfortunatley they don't care about which characters are most popular or if they fit with comic continuity after 5 X-Men movies it shouldn't really come as surprise as thats there policy and it will probably reamin that way as long as Fox are making these movies

Perhaps, but given how much the producers have touted in the past that there is a rich history in the comics, I'm surprised they not only went for characters that weren't so "rich" or classic (they knew, at the time of X3, that there was loads of fan clamor for Beast and Angel and Gambit) but then seemed to do nothing worthwhile with them. X-Men has taken characters I felt little about and made them something interesting in their adaptation, but in my opinion they failed to do that with the new additions in XMFC.

I just feel like the heart of the first two films wasn't there. Maybe it's because I don't find Mystique's "I'm so ugly" drama quite as compelling as Rogue's "I can't ever touch a person" storyline. Maybe it's because beyond Mystique/Beast and Magneto, it seems like nobody else was enduring any sort of characterization, or character growth, or emotion. The kids felt devoid of it, in particular, compared to the stories they tried to give Pyro, Iceman and Rogue in X2 - and none of their stories were the main focus of the film. I think that a scene like Mystique's in X1, when she tells the Senator that she feared going to school as a kid, was a masterful stroke of characterization because it provided an interesting contrast - this ass-kicking ninja, here? She's emotionally scarred, and vulnerable despite the outward appearances. It was such a small thing - her only line of dialogue, I believe - but it was effective. I just don't think XMFC achieved the same levels of subtlety or effectiveness in what they tried to do with their lower tier characters.

And while I get movie devices, such as "making a villain seem more evil", I just think how they did it was a bit clunky. I still believe Magneto was a more compelling villain in X1 than the villain they found for XMFC. The best villains, in my opinion, will garner some measure of sympathy from the audience to keep them from seeming like mustache-twirlers bent on destruction just for the sake of it. Magneto's troubled past inspired his hatred of human beings, and thus, some sympathy (or at least, understanding) - and I wish that XMFC had tried to do the same.
 
Eeek! Sorry danoyse, it slipped my mind for a second. My apologies to everyone.

No worries! By the weekend we can pretty much wind down the spoiler tag rule, but until then just remember to use them. Thanks. :yay:
 
to people who have seen it is it better directed than singers films because i always felt singer was much more subtle with his themes and political contexts

which i always liked
 
It's funny you say that, because I touch upon that briefly in my review - where there seemed to be a longer scene revealed in the 20 min featurette that seemed to indicate at actual lines.
I get the feeling alot ended up on the cutting room floor for pacing reasons. James McAvoy did an interview a couple days ago on the BBC were he said Charles and Erik had a fight with a 7 foot tall guy that was cut from the movie. Mathew Vaughn also said he cut the romance subplot between Moria and Charles.

The scen in the trailers of Havok using his powers outside the mansion also wasn't in the movie
 
I'm going to keep this short. I saw the movie earlier today and I definitely had a fun time watching it. The cast were great in their roles but there's no doubt about it that both Fassbender and McAvoy steals the show with their dynamic relationship. It was truly captivating to watch them both on screen and interacting together.

After delivering an excellent and entertaining movie, I wouldn't complain if we got to see more. :up:

4/5
 
For the lucky ones that have already seen it, how bad are the continuity issues? I killed Origins Wolverine for being really stupid with continuity...among "other" things as well.

How bad is it for First Class...discounting the Last Stand and Origins Wolverine?

I need to have the right mind set going in tonight and this is my biggest issue.
 
I haven't seen it yet. Will be seeing at midnight tonight.

While I haven't seen it yet, here are my expectations:

BAD
-I think this movie should have picked up where X-Men Origins: Wolverine left off, and took place with the first class being Xavier's recruits from Stryker's base. Mainly - I hate the idea of there being a first class without Cyclops, and adding in Havok instead. But they insisted on setting it in the 60's (is setting it during the Cuban Missile Crisis really necessary?) I really, truly, feel that Cyclops should have been the first student, and taking place after X-Men Origins: Wolverine would have allowed for that.

-That goes to my other problem: The attempted "distancing" from X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. I understand, these films caused more controversy than the 1st two, but they are still part of the film continuity. I don't agree with distancing themselves from certain installments of the films. The series should be self contained. Trying to retcon stuff is what makes the comics confusing and at times unentertaining, and is probably one of the main reasons why I prefer the movie X-Men to the comic X-Men.

GOOD
-Oddly enough, while I'm complaining about the 60's setting, it's also one of the things I'm looking forward to. The X-Men started in the 60's, so setting First Class in the 60's makes sense. The Cuban Missile Crisis feels like a good "X-Men" type setting, and from all the previews and promos I've seen, this movie *does* have an X-Men #1 feel to it (X-Men #1 includes Magneto manipulating a military missile base, and humans don't exactly *hate* mutants yet).

-Outside of the choice of including Havok instead of Cyclops, I'm not too bothered by the rest of the choices. Prior film continuity dictates that Iceman and Angel can't be part of the first class. But... we do get Beast, so at least one original is there (and considering that in X-Men: The Last Stand he was clearly older than Storm, Jean, Cyclops, etc... it fits for him to be here). Having Moira McTaggert there makes sense because she has a long running history with Xavier. Same goes for Banshee, it doesn't feel out of place to have him there. Seems as though Angel Salvatore is nothing more than a female representation of Angel in the original team. Then tie in characters like Mystique, who obviously have a long running history with Xavier and Magneto from the film continuity, and the roster of characters isn't horrible. Some other characters, like Azazel, and I guess there are other characters like Darwin (who? I'm not familiar with him) are a bit more random. I will be curious to see if there's any kind of romance with Azazel and Mystique to at least *nod* to Nightcrawler.

-Despite claims of X-Men: First Class distancing itself from X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, it doesn't seem that the film is distancing itself that much afterall. The movie takes place *before* X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and Cyclops isn't involved. Beast is the oldest of the originals in the film-verse, and he is here before Cyclops, Jean, and Storm. Apparently -

Beast may be searching for a cure for mutation, which is a tie in with X-Men: The Last Stand

There will be some minor timeline issues (such as Xavier and Magneto showing up and Jean Grey's house seemingly in the 80's, when they will apparently have their falling out long before that), but outside of minor inconsistencies like that, it seems like this movie is gonna fall in line with the continuity of the other 4.

Overall, I think the movie is gonna be pretty awesome. Where I *expect* it to rank alongside the other X-Men films:

1. X-Men: The Last Stand / X2
3. X-Men: First Class
4. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
5. X-Men
 
For the lucky ones that have already seen it, how bad are the continuity issues? I killed Origins Wolverine for being really stupid with continuity...among "other" things as well.

How bad is it for First Class...discounting the Last Stand and Origins Wolverine?

I need to have the right mind set going in tonight and this is my biggest issue.

Tough one - I definitely found continuity discrepencies with X1 but didn't seem to think of too many that contradict much in X2. Overall, for me personally, I think it just doesn't feel part of the same world that Singer set up and adopts a very different tone.
(Also, fyi, definite contradictions to X3 and Wolverine as well but not as important given what you posted :))

I don't know how much you thought of Singer's x-verse but I hope you enjoy seeing it tonight.
 
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