HBO's Game of Thrones - - - Part 12

[Solidus]

Wasn't Umber taken hostage at the Red Wedding by the Frey's?

Spoiler

I thought it focused more on his other family members joining with Bolton in ADWD.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Yeah, that was my read on it. It sounded like Ned felt like he wasn't as up to task as his brother would have been. His brother was supposed to be the Lord of Winterfell, and there seems to be a real importance within the fiction of just how that works because the first born is prepared, taught, and essentially groomed for the expected lordship and the expected responsibility. It's mentioned in the Cat chapters, of book one, that once Robb has called his bannermen, he's behaving and making decisions like Ned. Because, yes he's his son, but also because Ned groomed him to be a lord, to be a leader.

Ned being the second son, it probably meant that he was fully aware that the crown of Winterfell, if you will, was never his but his brother's.

Yep, being the first-born son makes a huge difference on the education they receive. Ned was shipped off as a ward for Jon Arryn, in an entirely different region. So not only was he not educated to be the Lord of Winterfell, he had spent a number of years away from Winterfell before the rebellion started.

You know, and it's something I'll pay attention to when I get to re-watch season 2, but I can't say I quite understood why Robb didn't support Stannis. Stannis is, in fact, the rightful King. It was the reason Ned knew it should go to Stannis. Robb did say he didn't want to be king, just that he wanted Joffrey dead.

Robb got carried away when his men declared him King in the North. His options of a Stark-Baratheon alliance were either Renly, who was supported by the Reach and majority of the Stormlands, or Stannis, who had a few Stormlanders and small islands in the Narrow Sea. Add in their personalities, and Renly is the more appealing option.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Wasn't Umber taken hostage at the Red Wedding by the Frey's?

Spoiler

I thought it focused more on his other family members joining with Bolton in ADWD.

In the books, in terms of the show he's pretty much been ignored.

 

[Solidus]

Hmmm wasn't he at the Red Wedding on the show though? I really can't remember.

 

[Reek]

Hmmm wasn't he at the Red Wedding on the show though? I really can't remember.

he disappeared a while ago lol

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Hmmm wasn't he at the Red Wedding on the show though? I really can't remember.

He hasn't been in the show since season 1. I think the actor wanted more money, so they just cut Umber being visible and expanded Karstark's role instead. For the sake of the show, they may just combine the Umbers and Karstarks into one.

 

[Hush]

They have all but ignored the Umbers and its a ****ing shame.

 

[Solidus]

Not really, the Great Jon was not a "huge" aspect to the plot.

 

[Hush]

Not really, the Great Jon was not a "huge" aspect to the plot.

Yeah but he was a great character.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

He only had 2 noteworthy moments, one of which didn't even occur "on-screen" in the book which was [blackout]when the Freys tried to get him too drunk to fight and he still managed to kill people before he was subdued during the Red Wedding.[/blackout]

 

[Victarion]

I'm more interested in them adapting Manderly's meeting with Davos...and other things at Winterfell.

 

[Iceman]

He hasn't been in the show since season 1. I think the actor wanted more money, so they just cut Umber being visible and expanded Karstark's role instead. For the sake of the show, they may just combine the Umbers and Karstarks into one.

Ah damn I liked that character. Karstark was good too though.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Hmmm wasn't he at the Red Wedding on the show though? I really can't remember.

His fingers got bitten off in the show. His ear got bitten off in real life, or so I heard.

 

[Reek]

 

[Roose Bolton]

Not really, the Great Jon was not a "huge" aspect to the plot.

It's still a shame when a great character is removed, especially since he was so good in season 1.

 

[Iceman]

Guy had a great laugh.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's still a shame when a great character is removed, especially since he was so good in season 1.

On this show, does he really count as a great character? Doesn't make the top 20. No loss.

 

[Reek]

On this show, does he really count as a great character? Doesn't make the top 20. No loss.

please... name 20....

 

[Roose Bolton]

I know I personally felt disappointed when he didn't reappear in season 2. In the books he's pretty much the face of Northern loyalty to the Stark cause, so to not have them there definitely felt like a loss to me.

 

[Iceman]

On this show, does he really count as a great character? Doesn't make the top 20. No loss.

He's a relatively minor character so obviously no shot of getting into the top 20 but still a great character for a small role. The actor made a lot of his very limited screen time. I definitely think it's a loss but we're just spoiled on how many great characters with much more important roles there are.

 

[Hush]

I know I personally felt disappointed when he didn't reappear in season 2. In the books he's pretty much the face of Northern loyalty to the Stark cause, so to not have them there definitely felt like a loss to me.

Yeah he is more or less the guy you do not want to **** with in the North because of the giants blood in their veins and him at the Red Wedding was amazing. I know its trivial but we still do not know if Martin will use him later in other books and though the show runners know these things I still would have preferred he been in the show longer.

 

[Gr0oT]

That's the great shame of this show, actors buggering off and the constant recast.
I really loved GreatJon Umber in the books despite his minimal role he was a loud personality and they'd painted him well in that light in the show, so much so they couldn't even recast him it seems... The least they could have done is make mention of what the Umbers were doing since season one being as Umber had been established as an early key player only to completely disappear thereafter.

From the actors standpoint I can see why there wasn't much appeal, in the first season he just had a few scenes at the end, probably would have been in the background of the 2nd and had a more important part at the wedding, instead he had some steady work on a UK sitcom so he went with that.
I sort of wish HBO had them sign contracts like Marvel Studios does...

Anyways seems like a lost cause to fit him back in now, sort of lost in obscurity like the Mountain Clans that escorted Tyrion.

On the subject of recast I hope the new Mountain can act, it is the guys first role, he at least has an imposing stature, much more then the pencil necked Ian Whyte who had a great voice but not much presence as the Mountain.
The new one has a softer face, Conan was the most bat-crap crazy looking, shame he didn't stick around.

Oh and am I the only one that finds the recast of Daario jarring? They didn't even attempt to have visual continuity, it's really apples and oranges.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

please... name 20....

Just going by the show of course,

Ned
Arya
Sansa
Jon
Rob
Bran
Catelyn
Tywin
Tyrion
Jaime
Cersei
Joffrey
Dany
Viserys
Drogo
Jorah
Ser Barristan
Stannis
Melisandre
Davos
Littlefinger
Ygritte
Theon
Jeor
Sandor
Robert
Varys
Margaery
Sam
Bronn
Brienne
Ramsay
Roose
Grendy
Hotpie
Walder
Luwin
Pod
Olenna

 

[Sawyer]

This dispute about Umber...

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yet you still spent the effort in posting