That's not jealousy. Ned is being melancholy because Brandon is dead; he doesn't feel that he's adequate to be the Hand of the King, or even Lord of Winterfell to an extent, because he was only the second son and never received the education for a future lord. If the rebellion had not started, he probably would have become the castellan of Storm's End.
Yeah, that was my read on it. It sounded like Ned felt like he wasn't as up to task as his brother would have been. His brother was supposed to be the Lord of Winterfell, and there seems to be a real importance within the fiction of just how that works because the first born is prepared, taught, and essentially groomed for the expected lordship and the expected responsibility. It's mentioned in the Cat chapters, of book one, that once Robb has called his bannermen, he's behaving and making decisions like Ned. Because, yes he's his son, but also because Ned groomed him to be a lord, to be a leader.
Ned being the second son, it probably meant that he was fully aware that the crown of Winterfell, if you will, was never his but his brother's.
Robb Stark is the stupidest character so far.
I don't know...Ned made a very stupid decision. They were based entirely on his honor, but they were some really stupid decisions.
Robb's biggest error was probably not being as honorable as his father was, really. Aside from Cat torpedoing things...but that wasn't on him.
If Robb would have supported Stannis, he might not be such a piece of **** right now.
You know, and it's something I'll pay attention to when I get to re-watch season 2, but I can't say I quite understood why Robb didn't support Stannis. Stannis is, in fact, the rightful King. It was the reason Ned knew it should go to Stannis. Robb did say he didn't want to be king, just that he wanted Joffrey dead.
Robb was young and dumb like all young men can be. Ned was a grown man who fought in a War and knew how the politics and the world worked. He also had people trying to help him who he ignored. These facts make him appear infinitely more stupid than his son. Robb has an excuse for his stupidity. Ned is just a dumbass plain and simple.
I lost sympathy for Ned entirely when he told Cersei he knew their secret...because it was the honorable thing to do. Yep it was honorable, and stupid as hell. Then when I found out about what really happened the night Jaime killed the king and the way Ned judged him to be dishonorable Ned went on my **** list forever. I can't stand the self righteous bastard.
I somewhat felt the same way about Ned...until I read up to that point in the first book. I think through Ned's internal thinking, by way of the book, seeing just how haunted he was about how the final strike in Robert's rebellion went...I understood it way more because of it.
I think being haunted by the sight of dead children, and thinking he could be the cause for more children being murdered...was a very compelling reason for him being an idiot.
Cause Ned would have never listened to him. Regardless of circumstances Jaime broke vow and vows and honor are all Ned cares about. This is made clear in the first episode of the series when he kills the boy who abandoned the Wall. Plenty of boys have left the Wall for terrible reasons and came back and weren't executed. We are told this when Jon returns to the Wall after he left that one time. This boy in the first episode leaves for good reason. Tells Ned of the walkers and still gets murdered by Ned. And yes I'm calling it murder because it was. Ned should have sent him back to the Wall and let the Night's Watch decide his fate. The Watch is under staffed as is. Does Ned care? Nope. He kills the boy wipes off his blade and goes on with life.
Gahhh I hate that man!
I think he may have listened to Jaime, if Jaime had tried. And for Ned, it wasn't about him breaking his vows. It was about the perception that Jaime had hidden behind behind his duty as a king's guard...and when that king was going to be brought down, he switched sides. That's the perception, and I think it makes sense. And it's not like Ned was the only one who viewed it that way. Whenever anyone says, 'Kingslayer', it's not exactly supposed to be a term of endearment.
It's not so much that Jaime killed the king, as much as it is that Jamie killed the king when the king was right about to be dethroned.
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