HBO's Game of Thrones - - - - Part 13

[Solidus]

I am not really defending Stannis here, but at the very least he is consistent. He doesn't speak out of both sides of his mouth, nor does he ask his men to do things he does not understand.

Dany talks of love and caring for people, and yet she wages war for the desire to conquer. Dany has no concept of battle, of war and what it does to people. And yet she still wages for her own vanity and it is at the expense of others.


Then you probably haven't been reading Sansa's chapters or watching her scenes on the show. Sansa internalizes more pain and anguish then Dany could ever dream. She does so too survive while learning the game.

Dany is no military leader, much less a queen. She plays at it. She only started standing up for what she "believes" in once she gained power. Stick Dany in the Lannister's home without her dragon. Hell she couldn't even handle her brother. And she just sat their as her husband murdered him.


It is not complex. She has a taste of glory and power, and she can't handle it like so many in her family in the past.

If she wanted her people to live happy, safe lives, she'd have settled with the slaves and dragons, and set up a community for them to live. Instead she focuses on conquering. She has the same desire as Viserys. How can this even be denied?


Are you talking books or show here? Book Stannis is a God to his men. They all look at him like Davos does.

And uh no, Stannis doesn't let Mel do whatever she wants.


You are basically claiming people are sexist, while not acknowledging that characters like Arya, Joan, Brienne and others are beloved.

Dany doesn't get a bad wrap because she is powerful and beautiful. It is because she is put on a pedestal while doing horribly stupid things. While being selfish. And to claim she is young and naive in the world of ASOIAF does that wash. Not when she has made these decision when she didn't have to. Not on the same show with the Stark children, who have witnessed and confronted situations that would make Dany crumble and still they persevere.

LOL. Again I could not disagree more. First Dany is not have a bad wrap...it's just here that I see it. And the difference I was speaking of sexism, is because Dany is beautiful, I don't see the same said about Arya/Brienne.

Yes I've read the books, and yes I know Sansa internalizes, but that means nothing. Dany does as stupid things as the others do is my point. She does realize/starting to learn (as the young do) the consequences, and that's where I just wonder if you read the books lol. [BLACKOUT]When Drogon possibly killed a little boy/girl she had the damn dragons locked up when everyone advised against it. [/BLACKOUT]It's like you ignore massive elements of what she's done. She cared so much about what could happen down the road with [BLACKOUT]her dragons she locks them up.[/BLACKOUT];

And I laugh about the vanity part, you could replace the name Stannis there with Dany and it's the same. Dany is learning the concept of war in ADWD it's what most of her problems are, with the conspiracies that happen, her anger. That's all Dany does in ADWD is worry about her actions, and what they have done. I just don't get how you say she doesn't when honestly that is what she thinks about 90% of the time in ADWD.

I'm not saying that Dany does not has a dark side. Maybe again you should look at what I said above about how she is torn of two worlds, one of the innocent slave she has been her whole life under her brother, and the Targaryen anger/temper/desire to rule. Which again I've talked about lots in the past pages. I've never claimed her to be perfect, and that's what you keep trying to make arguments against. None of the characters are, and that's what I say again and again. She makes mistakes just as they all do, and it creates the conflict. Dany should have just settled down? She just like Stannis (even more so then Stannis) has a damn right to the freaking throne. She wants to rule, it is her right. I've never denied the Targaryen in her, you just said that and acted like I was saying she was some perfect individual. I originally said she was a conflicted, naive young girl with a vision, but behind it is strength and good in her.

Dany is young, and that is part of her feature, she is "learning" how to become queen, she is conflicted about it all the time. Even in parts of the book she talks about how she simply wants to be back with Drogo, or just go back to the house with the red door and leave all of it. In ADWD she talks about that alot to her self. She doubts her self, but it's human. And it makes her to many a complex, interesting character. She's not perfect, and no one on here has said that including me. But she is learning the hard way. Stannis especially when younger was not as great of a military leader. When he met Davos, and all the men were starving because he would not give up..(I want to say it was Storm End...or was it Dragonstone?) the castle. You can claim it's because of his vision of justice, Dany would see it that way too, but on both parts war is rarely justified and fought by the innocent while the leaders suffer least.

 

[chamber-music]

I could listen to Michael McElhatton, Charles Dance and Iain Glenn read a phone book.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Well, Y'know, others like Ned Stark and Tywin Lannister for instance, would say that Stannis holding Storm's End was actually a really successful thing. The whole point of a siege is to outlast the other guy, and in this case if Stannis had relented then Mace Tyrell and Paxter Redwyne would have delivered the Baratheon household to Aerys for execution. Plus it kept the armies of Reach off the battlefield, giving Robert and Ned a more even footing when the time came for the Battle of the Trident.

And vanity? Stannis flat out tells Davos that he knows he's going to die trying to take the Iron Throne. He doesn't see the crown as prize, he sees at something that he has a moral obligation to take. For Robert's sake as his heir, for Ned's sake to get justice for his murder, and for Shireen's sake because it's his duty as her father to give her what is her birthright.

I get that both characters are flawed and fallible, Stannis and Dany are two very different characters, presented in two different ways, in vastly different circumstances.

 

[Lord]

I like Dany, i don't get some of the hate for her, my only complaint is her trying to ignore the worst side of her family.

 

[Solidus]

Well, Y'know, others like Ned Stark and Tywin Lannister for instance, would say that Stannis holding Storm's End was actually a really successful thing. The whole point of a siege is to outlast the other guy, and in this case if Stannis had relented then Mace Tyrell and Paxter Redwyne would have delivered the Baratheon household to Aerys for execution. Plus it kept the armies of Reach off the battlefield, giving Robert and Ned a more even footing when the time came for the Battle of the Trident.

And vanity? Stannis flat out tells Davos that he knows he's going to die trying to take the Iron Throne. He doesn't see the crown as prize, he sees at something that he has a moral obligation to take. For Robert's sake as his heir, for Ned's sake to get justice for his murder, and for Shireen's sake because it's his duty as her father to give her what is her birthright.

I get that both characters are flawed and fallible, Stannis and Dany are two very different characters, presented in two different ways, in vastly different circumstances.

And I agree. I think they have similarities though, both in making flaws, but each have different flaws. I love both Stannis and Dany. Trust me I'll be screaming "STANNIS!!" on episode 9

It's just many are trying to do the same thing, but going about it different ways, both are causing wakes in their path that cause destruction. Dany's not even in Westros, and already all the other characters/leaders have created hell over there because of the wars.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

She just like Stannis (even more so then Stannis) has a damn right to the freaking throne. She wants to rule, it is her right. I've never denied the Targaryen in her, you just said that and acted like I was saying she was some perfect individual. I originally said she was a conflicted, naive young girl with a vision, but behind it is strength and good in her.

She doesn't have a claim to the throne. The Targaryens became an exiled house after Robert's Rebellion, just like the Starks are now after the Red Wedding. If she wants the throne, she'll have to earn it by conquest.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

Changing the subject...
I posted this in the books thread but i'll post it here anyways

A couple of days ago I read The Mystery Knight and i came up with a theory regardin Jon Snow's future and parentage in the books:

Don't read if you haven't read ADWD

Spoiler

At the beginning of The Mystry Knight we find out that Daemon II Blackfyre (at first known as John The Fiddler) had a dream about Dunk joining the Kingsguard and a dragon egg hatching in Whitewalls. This dream/prophecy, as every other in the novels, turned out to be true symbollicaly. (For example in The Hedge Knight Daeron the drunk dreamt about a Giant Dragon dead- which turned out to be Baelor, a much capable ruler)

At the end we find out it wasn't the dragon egg that hatched, but Egg "transformed" into Aegon. We have seen so far that the animals in the prophecies represtent their human counterpart ( kraken for greyjoy, lion for lannister, wolves for starks, dragon for targ, etc). So therefore a common squire turned into a Targaryen (dragon).

Now, how doess this links to Jon? Well, Melisandre has been since the begining asking stannis to let her "wake the dragon from stone" so that Azor Ahai can be reborn. Therefore, taking into consideration the Rhaegar+Lyanna=Jon theory and the theory of Jon being Azor Ahai/PtwP, could it be that Jon is the "sleeping stone dragon"? That when he finds out about his Targaryen blood, he will "hatch" into a dragon? Therefore accepting his possible Azor Ahai role in the story. He will acknowledge his "fire" blood and merge it with his "ice" one. Becoming The Song of Ice And Fire.

I know is a little crackpot and far fetched, but i was interested in the similarities.

Sorry for my english!

 

[Solidus]

She doesn't have a claim to the throne. The Targaryens became an exiled house after Robert's Rebellion, just like the Starks are now after the Red Wedding. If she wants the throne, she'll have to earn it by conquest.

To her, they are Usurpers. She does have a claim. It's one of the reasons Robert was let on the throne because he had some Targaryen in him if I'm not mistaken. From her view, it was stolen from her family and she's going to get it back. Just as Stannis sees it, it was taken by a usurper that does not deserve it. That's the great thing about these characters we understand where they are coming from with their point of views.

And of course she will have to earn it by conquest, she knows that, it's why she's building an army. She knows people won't just say "Oh you're back, here's your throne." Just like they won't do the same with Stannis.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

LOL. Again I could not disagree more. First Dany is not have a bad wrap...it's just here that I see it. And the difference I was speaking of sexism, is because Dany is beautiful, I don't see the same said about Arya/Brienne.

You should hang out at the Westeros forums. Dany isn't exactly popular with the book readers.

And while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I think some might find Maisie, as young as she is, fetching. Hence the weird online marriage proposals.

http://www.popsugar.com/Maisie-Williams-Talks-Arya-Stark-Game-Thrones-Season-4-34322836

Yes I've read the books, and yes I know Sansa internalizes, but that means nothing. Dany does as stupid things as the others do is my point. She does realize/starting to learn (as the young do) the consequences, and that's where I just wonder if you read the books lol. [BLACKOUT]When Drogon possibly killed a little boy/girl she had the damn dragons locked up when everyone advised against it. [/BLACKOUT]It's like you ignore massive elements of what she's done. She cared so much about what could happen down the road with [BLACKOUT]her dragons she locks them up.[/BLACKOUT];

The problem with your whole premise is she has made the decision to make these decisions, these mistakes, while putting other people's lives at risk.

She isn't playing with dolls. She isn't playing a sport. This isn't school. These aren't mistake you can simply write off as life lessons. She made the decision that she was going to conqueror, to wage war without the know how. She made that decision and others are paying with their lives.

Why do you keep acting like these decisions are "small" in nature? They are not and the reason they are not is because she decided how she was going to learn these things.

And I laugh about the vanity part, you could replace the name Stannis there with Dany and it's the same. Dany is learning the concept of war in ADWD it's what most of her problems are, with the conspiracies that happen, her anger. That's all Dany does in ADWD is worry about her actions, and what they have done. I just don't get how you say she doesn't when honestly that is what she thinks about 90% of the time in ADWD.

It is Dany's vanity that places her in the position she finds herself in ADWD. Remember good old "Fire and Blood"?

Spoiler

Dany's problems in ADWD is she can't rule through sheer force. That is why she conquers and doesn't know how to rule. If she can't have her dragons flying around roasting people, she can't keep control. When forced to actually think analytically, she is lost. It is why she gets sad and frustrated.

Again, who put her in this position? Oh yes, she did. So who decided they need to learn how to rule after conquering? Oh yes, she did. It is not so easy when you can't just point your dragons and say fire. Her vanity puts her in this position. Thinking it is her divine right.

I'm not saying that Dany does not has a dark side. Maybe again you should look at what I said above about how she is torn of two worlds, one of the innocent slave she has been her whole life under her brother, and the Targaryen anger/temper/desire to rule. Which again I've talked about lots in the past pages. I've never claimed her to be perfect, and that's what you keep trying to make arguments against. None of the characters are, and that's what I say again and again. She makes mistakes just as they all do, and it creates the conflict. Dany should have just settled down? She just like Stannis (even more so then Stannis) has a damn right to the freaking throne. She wants to rule, it is her right. I've never denied the Targaryen in her, you just said that and acted like I was saying she was some perfect individual. I originally said she was a conflicted, naive young girl with a vision, but behind it is strength and good in her.

Spoiler

Dany has no right to the Throne. It is Jon's.

And no, what you are doing is lowering her responsibility, by calling everything "mistakes". Completely avoiding the gravity of the decisions that she alone has decided to make.

More importantly, Dany the character is a hypocrite. She goes from only wanting her little home, to wanting exactly what Viserys wanted. That is fatally flawed character. Given a bit of power, she did a complete 180.

Dany is young, and that is part of her feature, she is "learning" how to become queen, she is conflicted about it all the time. Even in parts of the book she talks about how she simply wants to be back with Drogo, or just go back to the house with the red door and leave all of it. In ADWD she talks about that alot to her self. She doubts her self, but it's human. And it makes her to many a complex, interesting character. She's not perfect, and no one on here has said that including me. But she is learning the hard way. Stannis especially when younger was not as great of a military leader. When he met Davos, and all the men were starving because he would not give up..(I want to say it was Storm End...or was it Dragonstone?) the castle. You can claim it's because of his vision of justice, Dany would see it that way too, but on both parts war is rarely justified and fought by the innocent while the leaders suffer least.

Oh, yeah it makes sense that once the going gets tough, Dany doesn't want to do it any more.

And one final time. Who decided they were going to learn to rule on the job? Oh yes, Dany.

 

[Solidus]

You should hang out at the Westeros forums. Dany isn't exactly popular with the book readers.

And while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I think some might find Maisie, as young as she is, fetching. Hence the weird online marriage proposals.

Yes because the internet always speaks in how lots feel. Even in your post you flat out act sexist by saying you see it as she thinks she's playing with dolls. She knows she's The problem is all the "flaws" you give her is that she is a pretty girl, that is just stupid. When her mistakes and flaws are as stupid as Stannis/Jon or anyone else. Stannis rules with a distorted view of justice, and no one wanted him as a king, because he is so hated. He does not know how to rule, he knows how to fight, but so far he has not proven to make many good choices. I mean hell [BLACKOUT]half of his men die before even get to Winterfell because he's too stubborn[/BLACKOUT]. You keep pointing the exact type of events that Stannis and others have done. People just say "It's okay Stannis does because he's a brooding man, with a chip on his shoulder and acts like a distorted Batman with his skewed view of justice and too absolute".

Seriusly in ADWD Dany is constantly doubting herself, and not wanting more to die, it's why she does [BLACKOUT]the marriage just so people stop dying this is not an opinion it is what she did. She also again locked up her dragon, not just pointing to people and saying kill them. In ADWD she fears her dragons off of just one stupid girl dying. And she is so broken by it she locks up her dragons and marries a horrible man just to keep a peace so people stop dying. It's what like HALF OF THE BOOK WAS ABOUT. She does feel for what she's done and you act like she does not care and...really dolls? .[/BLACKOUT]

She does not play with dolls and just whistle. She is constantly wondering if she's doing right trying to do the right by the most. Just like in the real world, it's not some clear white and shinning armor king/queen. She is learning about her consequences. Again these are things that happened in the book the things she regrets, and tries to do what she can to fix it, and learns with the hard knock life, she really has no choice, she's young as anyone young is going to learn.

Stannis is no better, he has people dying for him, people suffering for him, and he hates it too, just like Dany does. Stannis is learning as he goes along, and he's making dire consequences that will [BLACKOUT]almost kill him and his entire army as happened at Blackwater.[/BLACKOUT]

So ya she's learning, but she's not some dolty ditz blonde that you try to make it out to be because almost all of ADWD is her dealing with the after effects, and trying to right them so the least people die, she does not want people to suffer, but tries to do the old "the weighs of the many out weigh the needs of the few".[BLACKOUT] She compromises all she did to the "bad guys" in ADWD just so she can stop people dying. [/BLACKOUT]

Oh and who decided to try and take the throne because he felt it was his right (as does Dany)...Stannis. Oh ya. Same with Robb, and many others. Thousands have died because THEY decided to go to war. Stannis was not dragged into it any more then Dany was.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I love how you miss the other two things other then dolls, showing something more consistently associated with boys (sports) and something obviously coed (school). At what point did I call her a ditzy blonde? When did I a pin her actions on her looks?

I don't think she is ditzy. I think she is vain, at least partially crazy, bordering on potentially Mad King evil.

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And bringing up Jon is laughable. He is not a hypocrite and has proven himself a fine leader. He is Ned with a bit of bite.

You know Solidus, I am not going to respond to you anymore. Not if you are going to make baseless claims that I am a) sexist and b) avoid the vast majority of my post to fit your bad argument.

 

[Solidus]

I love how you miss the other two things other then dolls, showing something more consistently associated with boys (sports) and something obviously coed (school). At what point did I call her a ditzy blonde? When did I a pin her actions on her looks?

I don't think she is ditzy. I think she is vain, at least partially crazy, bordering on potentially Mad King evil.

Spoiler

And bringing up Jon is laughable. He is not a hypocrite and has proven himself a fine leader. He is Ned with a bit of bite.

You know Solidus, I am not going to respond to you anymore. Not if you are going to make baseless claims that I am a) sexist and b) avoid the vast majority of my post to fit your bad argument.

Why do you ignore the facts of what happens in the books then?

Spoiler

1. Did Dany lock away her dragons possibly forever because of killing a single child?

2. Did she marry Hizdahr zo Loraq just so there could be a peace between Mereen/Yunkai and the rest of Slavers Bay?

3. Did Dany sit on her throne and constantly worry about the people? Answer is yes, she did, she always got mad at herself she thought of Dario and knew she should sacrifice what she wants (even her dragons) for the betterment of the situation.

Now is this the right things to always do? To her yes? But does it always work...well no, and I've never said otherwise to that. Is it vain? Well a lot of what she does just like Stannis is vain. He does it for a misguided sense of justice? Yes. He also lets many die under him for his "duty" to the throne. Regardless both are causing destruction and chaos that is hurting many. It's war.

On top of that, I'm not going to include just one forum in one area that has people that dislike her. They have every right to it, but I'm not going to claim that it seems to be some common like thing. Since she seems to be the figure head and a very popular figure in pop culture.

And hey if that was not a sexist comment that's fine, your not then I was mistaken But if you sit there and use a terms like she isn't playing with dolls...come on your the one that said that. Not me.

Dany may be vain, just as much as Stannis is crazy, they both have problems. But she does try to do the right thing, and in war no one knows even the great veterans of other wars. It's war there is always causalities. She does in her what she think will be better, and in many ways she does sacrifice things close to her to try and save others. Her child for Drogo, her Dragons for the people, herself for the people. Does it succeed always? I've never claimed otherwise, but she does care about them. And does take consequences and tries to own up to them. Sadly it's just never gone well for her. Because the world is a brutal place.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

One, what is wrong with playing with dolls? I, a male, did so as I child. Call them action figures if you like, still what they are. Secondly, why did you ignore the other two example? You act as if there was only one example there.

 

[Reek]

Why do you ignore the facts of what happens in the books then?

Spoiler

1. Did Dany lock away her dragons possibly forever because of killing a single child?

2. Did she marry Hizdahr zo Loraq just so there could be a peace between Mereen/Yunkai and the rest of Slavers Bay?

3. Did Dany sit on her throne and constantly worry about the people? Answer is yes, she did, she always got mad at herself she thought of Dario and knew she should sacrifice what she wants (even her dragons) for the betterment of the situation.

Now is this the right things to always do? To her yes? But does it always work...well no, and I've never said otherwise to that. Is it vain? Well a lot of what she does just like Stannis is vain. He does it for a misguided sense of justice? Yes. He also lets many die under him for his "duty" to the throne. Regardless both are causing destruction and chaos that is hurting many. It's war.

On top of that, I'm not going to include just one forum in one area that has people that dislike her. They have every right to it, but I'm not going to claim that it seems to be some common like thing. Since she seems to be the figure head and a very popular figure in pop culture.

And hey if that was not a sexist comment that's fine, your not then I was mistaken But if you sit there and use a terms like she isn't playing with dolls...come on your the one that said that. Not me.

Dany may be vain, just as much as Stannis is crazy, they both have problems. But she does try to do the right thing, and in war no one knows even the great veterans of other wars. It's war there is always causalities. She does in her what she think will be better, and in many ways she does sacrifice things close to her to try and save others. Her child for Drogo, her Dragons for the people, herself for the people. Does it succeed always? I've never claimed otherwise, but she does care about them. And does take consequences and tries to own up to them. Sadly it's just never gone well for her. Because the world is a brutal place.

One, what is wrong with playing with dolls? I, a male, did so as I child. Call them action figures if you like, still what they are. Secondly, why did you ignore the other two example? You act as if there was only one example there.

 

[Solidus]

One, what is wrong with playing with dolls? I, a male, did so as I child. Call them action figures if you like, still what they are. Secondly, why did you ignore the other two example? You act as if there was only one example there.

Fair enough, it just seemed a little odd. But you've ignored my points as well.

 

[Solidus]

It was getting a little too...text"ty" in here lol.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I get it Reek, but I don't find much funny in it. Solidus argument boils down to "Everyone makes mistakes" forgetting the impact and decisions Dany has made. Oh but she feels sad once in a while and killed her unborn child because her husband was an idiot. Argument doesn't go the way you want? Well clearly I am sexist.

Fair enough, it just seemed a little odd. But you've ignored my points as well.

Did I accuse you of being sexist? That is when I stopped responding to your post.

 

[Roose Bolton]

And while we're at it. **** Daemon Blackfyre. He's crazy and vain!

 

[Reek]

I get it Reek, but I don't find much funny in it. Solidus argument boils down to "Everyone makes mistakes" forgetting the impact and decisions Dany has made. Oh but she feels sad once in a while and killed her unborn child because her husband was an idiot. Argument doesn't go the way you want? Well clearly I am sexist.


Did I accuse you of being sexist? That is when I stopped responding to your post.

Get it? Get what? Just easing the tension baby, just easing the tension... It's all in the hips, yeaaa.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And while we're at it. **** Daemon Blackfyre. He's crazy and vain!

And people think the Lannisters are bad. They got nothing on the Targs.

Get it? Get what? Just easing the tension baby, just easing the tension... It's all in the hips, yeaaa.

You called me baby. You sexist.

 

[Solidus]

I get it Reek, but I don't find much funny in it. Solidus argument boils down to "Everyone makes mistakes" forgetting the impact and decisions Dany has made. Oh but she feels sad once in a while and killed her unborn child because her husband was an idiot. Argument doesn't go the way you want? Well clearly I am sexist.


Did I accuse you of being sexist? That is when I stopped responding to your post.

See now I think your not responding because of my points. Hey, sorry about the sexist thing, but if you keep focusing on it and not my other points, I think it's for other reasons.

Spoiler

So in ADWD almost all of Stannis and his army are frozen dead? And at the end of ACOK Stannis lost and had 90% of his army killed? And yet somehow Dany having her army and others around die not okay? Yet it's okay with Stannis?

 

[Roose Bolton]

And people think the Lannisters are bad. They got nothing on the Targs.

I want a book dedicated to the History of the Greyjoys. There's gotta be some messed up characters in that bloodline.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

See now I think your not responding because of my points. Hey, sorry about the sexist thing, but if you keep focusing on it and not my other points, I think it's for other reasons.

Spoiler

So in ADWD almost all of Stannis and his army are frozen dead? And at the end of ACOK Stannis lost and had 90% of his army killed? And yet somehow Dany having her army and others around die not okay? Yet it's okay with Stannis?

You took a shot at my character for absolutely no reason. I don't take it lightly.

But you know what, I'll respond to you. If you are willing to actually respond to my points individually, as opposed to posting a blanket statement that clearly avoids most of my points.

I want a book dedicated to the History of the Greyjoys. There's gotta be some messed up characters in that bloodline.

The crazy and vicious Greyjoys we have now aren't enough for you?

 

[jonathancrane]

I want a book dedicated to the History of the Greyjoys. There's gotta be some messed up characters in that bloodline.

Yes!

 

[Solidus]

You took a shot at my character for absolutely no reason. I don't take it lightly.

But you know what, I'll respond to you. If you are willing to actually respond to my points individually, as opposed to posting a blanket statement that clearly avoids most of my points.


The crazy and vicious Greyjoys we have now aren't enough for you?

Fair enough, if you do the same to me. I think you and I have conversed together for a long enough time to know I'm not some accursed monster trying to hurt you. I took that line emotionally in a different way, just as you took mine emotionally another way. So let's forget that. And move on from it and get back to the discussion at hand.

But my points still stand on the other things

Spoiler

Yes Dany is a inexperienced leader, but funny enough she's lead her warriors/armies and listened to her advisers better then Stannis did, she successfully has won 3 massive battles, and sacrificed her own dragons, and her self to try and keep the peace. Stannis has lost Blackwater almost losing all of his army to death and destruction, as did outside Winterfell. And also the many innocent that died in Kings Landing because Stannis's view of him being the rightful heir.

Just as Dany has caused many to be in pain and suffering. Both do it because of their vanity, and belief in their causes. Each may have misguidings but deep in both their hearts they do want peace.