HBO's Game of Thrones - - - - Part 13

[Roose Bolton]

Oh man, that would be so damn awesome. That deep sexy voice.

Plus he's a close friend of GRRM (who wanted him to play the Hound) and has admitted to wanting a role in GoT after he was finished with Sons of Anarchy.

 

[Roose Bolton]

And to display my....disdain for the opinion that ASOIAF is unintelligent, I give you this:

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[Naked Shia]

While many take a kicking, there is hope. There is always hope. That is kind of what the Stark kids represent.

I may be wrong, but to me, the Stark kids give you the illusion of hope, only to crush you even harder.

And to display my....disdain for the opinion that ASOIAF is unintelligent, I give you this:

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Who said it was unintelligent? It's really smart entertainment. Not everything has to be deep though.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't think. I think all 5 of the remaining kids are gearing up. Getting ready. They will save Westeros.

And I don't agree at all that it is shallow. Not with that cast of characters.

 

[Naked Shia]

Shallow is a big word, and one I didn't use at that. To me, the westeros saga has the depth of the star wars saga. Some of the characters are interesting, the story is quite engaging, and it's great entertainment.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Are you now implying that Star Wars isn't all that deep? Prequels, I agree, but the OT, especially Luke's story... well lets just say we should probably stop talking about this.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Is it me, or does it feel like there are more dead [BLACKOUT]Starks[/BLACKOUT] than there really are?

I guess I kinda feel this way because the 3 who could actually do **** (having armies and what not) are dead and the ones still around are separated and/or aren't full blooded family members.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Is it me, or does it feel like there are more [BLACKOUT]dead Starks[/BLACKOUT] than there really are?

I guess I kinda feel this way because the 3 who could actually do **** are [BLACKOUT]dead[/BLACKOUT].

Jon and Bran are the most capable of the group. Sansa or Arya will arguably end up being the most capable.

 

[Naked Shia]

Are you now implying that Star Wars isn't all that deep? Prequels, I agree, but the OT, especially Luke's story... well lets just say we should probably stop talking about this.

I should have said I was talking about the prequels. The prequels have interetsing characters, interesting plot points, but are they as deep as the original trilogy? No. I feel the same about ASOIAF.

 

[Victarion]

There is some truth in what you're saying, but the whole "life is beach" thing is not what I would call life lesson. It's pessimism.

Seeing characters triumph despite the pessimistic, brutal world they live in is a great source of inspiration for me. The horridness of the setting makes those triumphs shine all the brighter.

The only dead Stark kid rushed headfirst into things. Which could happen in real life if you don't consider your problem from different angles etc.

 

[Naked Shia]

So far I didn't witness any triumph at all, save for the ones from the bad guys though.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Seeing characters triumph despite the pessimistic, brutal world they live in is a great source of inspiration for me. The horridness of the setting makes those triumphs shine all the brighter.

The only dead Stark kid rushed headfirst into things. Which could happen in real life if you don't consider your problem from different angles etc.

"Mercy and Cowardice are the same."

When you come across that line, (if you haven't already) I think you'll find out how right you are. Even though the setting is darker, I think it applies for ASOIAF as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So far I didn't witness any triumph at all, save for the ones from the bad guys though.

I feel there are triumphs. But of course many of them come at a cost. Jon making it back to the Watch, Arya escaping Harrenhal, Bran and Rickon escaping Winterfell, Dany's freeing of the slaves, Jaime saving Brienne from the bear, etc.

 

[Victarion]

Small victories: Jaime, Brienne, Bran, Sansa, Arya, Reek, Dany. Mine are from the books.

 

[Naked Shia]

I guess you're right, those things count as victories. Do you think Martin has a clear ending in mind already?

 

[Lord]

In terms of worldbuilding Tolkien can tell you what Frodo's great-great-great-great-aunt had for breakfast ten thousand years ago and why exactly that particular bowl of porridge was chosen, and that's great with the level of detail it has and how it makes the world feel realistic.

ASOIAF tells you what you need to know about the world pertaining to the events that currently happen. I don't know who Tyrion's distant ancestors were but I know who his grandfather was and how that affected his father who in turn made Tyrion what he is. With GRRMs writing it all serves his characters in the present, and to be honest I think most of his characters are more interesting than the vast majority of Tolkien's.

Also forgot to mention how every single new character someone meets is either related to a major house or the Bastard of known person, it's quite rare to find people with no lineage, even in the battlefield.

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It also bothers me how certain characters just happen to find each others, like Bran with Snow on the tower and later Tarly, and in Dance when happens to find Tyrion in such a large continent.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I guess you're right, those things count as victories. Do you think Martin has a clear ending in mind already?

I think he has a general idea, but the specifics, even who will end up the Throne, no I honestly don't. I think if he did, we'd have already seen the arrival of the Others/White Walkers. Dany would be in Westeros.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Also forgot to mention how every single new character someone meets is either related to a major house or the Bastard of known person, it's quite rare to find people with no lineage, even in the battlefield.

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It also bothers me how certain characters just happen to find each others, like Bran with Snow on the tower and later Tarly, and in Dance when happens to find Tyrion in such a large continent.

Not exactly. Griff is not from any major House. Areo Hotah is not from a major House. Beric Dondarrion is not from a major House. Thoros of Myr is not from a major House. The Kindly Man is not from a major House. Darrio Naharis is not from a major House. Qyburn is not from a major House. Moqorro is not from a major House. Vargo Hoat is not from a major House. Anguy is not from a major House. Lem is not from a major House. I could go on and on.


And so what about [blackout] Jorah [/blackout] and Tyrion? What's the point of major POVs around the country in a continuing series if they don't eventually converge? It's progressing the story. GRRM is building to all these people meeting again for something huge. Everything is ground work. That's the story he's trying to tell.

 

[Lord]

I know, i'm just saying that there are too many acidental encounters, he shouldn't have made the continents as large as he did.

I should have rephased it, i just mean that when it comes to the normal population there seems to be as many bastards as normal borns

 

[Roose Bolton]

Well there's a fairly big(ish) nobility within Westeros. Seven Major Houses and then countless smaller houses and then Knightly houses. So technically whenever any male from those families strays from his marriage bed (which happens a lot given the nature of arranged marriages within the upper class and the general looser morals) then it often results in any number of illegitimate kids. The mathmatics of it make sense when you look at all.

 

[Naked Shia]

I think he has a general idea, but the specifics, even who will end up the Throne, no I honestly don't. I think if he did, we'd have already seen the arrival of the Others/White Walkers. Dany would be in Westeros.

IT's this kind of situation where you don't really want the story to finish, because you enjoy, but you also wanna know how it will end.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

You should one day start reading a manga called Berserk then.

Malazan. You want Malazan, Chris. It's sort of the Witcher meets ASOIAF.

LOTR was written so that Tolkien could have a world for his made up languages. George wanted to write the biggest fantasy epic he could (without the constraints of writing for TV). He does defer to Tolkien. I don't think he likes Rowling much.

Thanks, I'll give them a look see.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

Some bits of a Richard Madden interview
With Robb Stark out of the running for the Iron Throne, who does he want to take over Westeros? The answer for Madden is quick.

"Jon Snow. I want Jon Snow and Daenerys to hook up and take over the world," he says, though he has another guess as to how the series could end as well. "The dragons might just kill everyone and then Season 9 is just three dragons flying around Westeros," Madden quips.

"At the time of the Red Wedding, he said he hadn't read past his death in the books, and that hasn't changed since.
"A lot of my friends are still on the show, and we go out -- I spend a lot of time with Kit [Harington] still, and he's like, 'Oh my god, in episode 3, there's a -- " and I'm like, 'Don't. Tell me. Anything."

 

[Ramsay Snow]

the third pic is Ramsay trying to grow a beard

Silence, worm.

Just remember that you're not a Bolton, you're a Snow.

Shut up, father.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Don't make rue the day I raped your mother.