HBO's Game of Thrones - - - - - Part 14

[Marvolo]

Yeah, the lady who accompanies Hodor and Bran Stark.

Didn't they recast her?

No and Osha hasnt been shown this season. She is with Rickon heading towards...cant remember the name of the island (Skagos?). The girl with Bran, Hodor, and Jojen Reed is Meera. Jojen's sister.

 

[Specter313]

The original Daario chose to be the new Transporter.



Osha is the Wildling woman with Rickon and Shaggydog. Asha is Theon's sister who they renamed Yara. Neither has been recast.

Yes, hence why I edited.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

Yeah, the lady who accompanies Hodor and Bran Stark.

Didn't they recast her?

i don't recall precisely, because she was just a minute or two in bran's scenes, but im pretty sure that she is the same actress

 

[Drizzle]

Yeah, the only recasts so far have been Beric Dondarrion (although that one shouldn't count since the original appearance was more of a cameo without any lines), Gregor Clegane, Tommen Baratheon, and the most major one being Daario Naharis.

 

[Marvolo]

Ah, I was talking about Book Spoiler

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Cersei firing the Tower of the Hand.

Oooo I forgot about that! That should be pretty awesome!

 

[Sawyer]

Excuse me while I fall over and laugh myself to death.

 

[Hush]

The fire and the battle at the wall take place in episode 9. This has already been confirmed and the whole episode takes place at the wall. If I had to guess, episode 10 will involve:

Non book readers this spoiler will spoil all the major events of episode 10! Do Not Read!

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Lady Stoneheart, murder of Tywin and Shaea, Blood Raven stuff, Arya in Braavos, murder of Lhysa etc.

I think that the fight at the wall will actually be the men from crasters keep, I could be wrong but it would be a way to stretch the show out.

Oooo I forgot about that! That should be pretty awesome!

It really is the final nail in the insanity coffin for Cersei.

 

[Marvolo]

Edit.

 

[Hush]

Double Post.

 

[Marvolo]

I think that the fight at the wall will actually be the men from crasters keep, I could be wrong but it would be a way to stretch the show out.



It really is the final nail in the insanity coffin for Cersei.

Nah, in a couple of the behind the scenes featurettes theyve shown them shooting the battle at the wall, and Tormund Giantsbane and Ygritte and other wildlings are there fighting. The battle at the wall in episode 9 is the battle from the book.

They cant afford to drag anything out. Like D&D have said, this show is only going to season 8, and they arent waiting for GRRM to finish the books. From here on out the show is in full sprint mode. Nothing will be dragged out.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The new Craster's Keep material apparently happens in [BLACKOUT]episode 4[/BLACKOUT]. [BLACKOUT]The Battle of the Wall[/BLACKOUT] is episode 9.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Can't wait to hear about the Golden Company next episode. Maybe a cheeky Bittersteel reference to go along with our Bloodraven Voice cameo..

 

[Sawyer]

edit

 

[scatterax]

Finally saw last nights ep.

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So satisfying to see his face so dis colored so gruesomely.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Speaking of Tommen...

Grandpa Tywin!!!

Huh. I totally missed that. That seems out of character for Tywin.

 

[Sawyer]

Eh. He's a stern and hard man, but I don't think he's entirely heartless.

 

[Marvolo]

Eh. He's a stern and hard man, but I don't think he's entirely heartless.

And Tommen is a good, albeit impressionable, kid in the books. If their was one Lannister that Tywin would absolutely love, it would be his grandson Tommen followed by Myrcella. Neither of those kids have ever given him an ounce of trouble, and they are actually good kids caught in a hailstorm of politics and war. So him comforting Tommen is actually pretty normal for him. Hopefully we get a dialogue scene between him and Tommen sometime this season just to show the contrast between his relationship with Tommen compared to his relationship with Joffrey.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I wonder if he's capable of love after Joanna died.

 

[Marvolo]

I wonder if he's capable of love after Joanna died.

I believe he is capable of love, but he is a very guarded man because of Joanna's death. Outward shows of affection aren't going to come out much in public. In a situation like that tho, there's no way in hell Tywin wouldn't comfort his grandson. Plus, in the long run this is his opportunity to draw Tommen to him and guide him. He might as well start by being their for the boy right after he had to watch his older brother die in a pretty terrifying way.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I don't agree with that. This same man had the only woman who truly loved his son raped by over a hundred men and forced said son (who was only 16 at the time) to participate in the event. He sees his daughter as a vessel to produce more political connections, and disowns his "Favourite" the moment he disobeys him. We've never seen him show affection towards anyone or treat his grandchildren as anything more than as tools to further the Lannister dynasty. Even Tywin's biggest defender, his sister Genna says that whatever was good in the man died with Joanna.

I think the show presents a greatly idealized version of Tywin, mostly because of Charles Dance being so magnetic.

 

[Hush]

Yeah that scene with tommen is way out of character for Book Tywin, show Tywin it's a tad out of character too but it's in the show so oh well.

 

[chamber-music]

Tywin in the show was pretty nice to Arya.

I've not read the books but I thought Tywin in the show is so obsessed with his families reputation, legacy and power due to the house Reyne rising up against his house Lannister when they were viewed as weak.

Dame Diana Rigg is killing it. Queen of Thorns FTW!

 

[Marvolo]

I don't agree with that. This same man had the only woman who truly loved his son raped by over a hundred men and forced said son (who was only 16 at the time) to participate in the event. He sees his daughter as a vessel to produce more political connections, and disowns his "Favourite" the moment he disobeys him. We've never seen him show affection towards anyone or treat his grandchildren as anything more than as tools to further the Lannister dynasty. Even Tywin's biggest defender, his sister Genna says that whatever was good in the man died with Joanna.

I think the show presents a greatly idealized version of Tywin, mostly because of Charles Dance being so magnetic.

Let's examine all this:

What he did to Tyrion's woman was done to hurt Tyrion. Tywin blames Tyrion for Joanna's death beyond rationale and he despises him for being a dwarf in a world that mock and spits on dwarves. I don't agree with his position but I understand his motives. That doesn't mean I agree with his actions tho.

Cersei has *****ed and moaned and failed him repeatedly and has committed incest. By the time in the show he is all but done with her. So using her as a brood mare is fitting.

He hasn't literally disowned Jaime. That seemed like mild hyperbole on Jaime's part. Tywin was upset but he didn't disown him in any actual way. I saw a frustrated father. Not a sadistic bastard in that scene.

None of this convinces me the man is incapable of loving his grandson. I've seen real *******s in this world treat their children like dog**** and turn right around and love their grandkids to death. People are complicated. Tywin may have his issues with his children, but he has zero issues with Tommen. If you can point to an actual issue he would have with Tommen I'll take it into consideration. Otherwise I have to assume he loves his grandson.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Well you know, the simple fact that he never even hints at caring about his Grandchildren's emotional well-being in the books for one. In fact, when has Tywin ever shown to care about the emotions of any other human being Post-Joanna in the books?

Show Tywin might very well love his grandson to bits and dote on him but book Tywin never gives any indication of that. At best he'd see him as dutiful and useful person to further the legacy. There is a difference between seeing someone as valuable and loving them and nothing presented in the text points to the latter at all.

 

[Marvolo]

Well you know, the simple fact that he never even hints at caring about his Grandchildren's emotional well-being in the books for one. In fact, when has Tywin ever shown to care about the emotions of any other human being Post-Joanna in the books?

Show Tywin might very well love his grandson to bits and dote on him but book Tywin never gives any indication of that. At best he'd see him as dutiful and useful person to further the legacy. There is a difference between seeing someone as valuable and loving them and nothing presented in the text points to the latter at all.

Well, I'm only talking about the show not the book. I only mentioned the book Tommen, because we don't know anything about Tommen in the show.

Regarding the books tho, we've never gotten a POV chapter for Tywin. Like I said, he is very guarded so of course we'd never know what he is thinking about his grandchildren cause he would never tell anyone something like that. He's not that type of person. I'm sure the man does things to ensure their safety that we never hear about or know about. He may even think about them often. These are things we can't know without a POV chapter. Jaime was pretty despicable until we got his POV chapters. All we knew about him came from other people's opinions and other's opinions of his actions. His POV chapters gave us insight. They gave us context and understanding. I'm just not gonna consider show or book Tywin incapable of love unless I can get inside his head and know that for sure. Tywin isn't Voldemort.