If you look at the legend of the Night's King he is like a twisted cult leader. After the female Other stole his soul he began sacrificing humans and commiting other atrocities. He probably has acolytes or apostles that are his closest advisors. So I dont doubt that the other twleve standing by him are a twisted take on the twelve apostles and the unlucky 13.
What I really want to know is how this guy ended up ruling the Others. He didnt start out as an Other. He was human and. Lord Commander, and Westeros thought he was killed so somehow he retreated and survived and went on to become King of the freakin Kingdom of Always Winter! Thats no small feat. Makes me wonder if there is someone above him like the Great Other or a god and it appointed him.
I need WOW and ADOS right now! I gotta know more about whats going on in the Kingdom of Always Winter!
We know that he was the 13th LC, so that's be quite some time after The Long Night, where Azor Ahai presumably defeated the Others. So perhaps the female he encountered was one of the last survivors and through her he became one. Old Nan says he "fell" which has Lucifer connotations. Maybe when he was defeated he was literally the last Other left and all the current ones are his...recruits.
and as a book reader, i liked it very much. considering that, perhaps, NOTHING at all happens. But A LOT is set up.
i would call it the "Feast for Crows" and "Dance with Dragons" of this season. Meaning that it is mainly exposition from past events, and sets up future events, and i will explain why:
- I really liked Jaime's scenes. all of it. Because it shows you how he is struggling to choose between his "family" [BLACKOUT](Tywin/Cersei)[/BLACKOUT] and his "real family" [BLACKOUT](Tyrion/Brienne)[/BLACKOUT].
- loved Ser Barristan's face in response to Daenerys "justice vs injustice" speech. it was like "what the actual f*** girl! I guarded 4 kings before you! i know this s*** way better than you". It certainly looked like he saw a glimpse of the Mad King there. It also foreshadows Dany's future [BLACKOUT]conflicts with ruling[/BLACKOUT]
- Baelish's explanation of who killed Joffrey was brilliantly done, not telling exactly who it was, but talking about the very thing used to kill him, and the very next scene, the "assassin" does the very same thing he/she does with Sansa's necklace during the wedding . (i didn't say the name of the killer just in case there is someone living in Saturn who did not get the hints)
- and, of course, the real meat of this episode was the whole Wall &Beyond. i like that they are giving more dimension to Ser Alliser Thorne, instead of making him be the cartoonish villain he is in the books. also , the whole Craster's Keep scenes were'nt pointless at all. They need to establish Karl, Rast, and the whole mutineers again, because the last time we saw them was in season 3 ep 4 ( which once it ended, everyone was talking about Dany's taking of Astapor), and if they weren't established, whenever Jon &Co. would strike them , the general audience would be like "oh... yeah, these guys are still there?". They need to understand the motivations for Jon to kill them all.
-also, Bran's scenes where great. At this point, Bran should have already reached the [BLACKOUT]Three Eyed Raven[/BLACKOUT] but seeing as they are going to do it in the Finale, they need to make him do something interesting in the meantime.
my only minor nitpick with this chapter was as a book reader, regarding Sam telling Jon about Bran: PLEASE, DO NOT READ THE NEXT PARAGRAPH IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE 3RD BOOK
Part of the whole internal struggle that Jon has is that he is literally the last surviving child of Lord Eddard Stark. That he is the only one who can continue the Stark legacy. And that is the main struggle he has when Stannis offers him legitimacy and The North. He will rise as Lord of Winterfell and continue the Stark dynasty. By knowing that Bran (and maybe Rickon as well)is alive, Jon doesn't think himself as the "last Stark", therefore changing his "sharpening" when he denies Stannis
regarding the ending, i truly loved it. i like the theory of the Night's King and that the WW are the ones who built the wall (not totally sold on that one but i like it) to separate men from their lands.
sorry for the long post, and the bad english. but is 1am in the morning, i haveto wake up early for work, and english is not my mother language.
Many fans have speculated that the Wall will come down. This would make the Night's Watch a defunct order and release everyone from their vows. My own (which I'm sure others have had at one point) is that Dany will ride her dragons north. Their fire will destroy the others and result in the Wall melting.
There's also a legendary horn called the Horn of Winter that "woke giants from the earth". It is speculated that it can bring down the Wall. Mance Rayder believed he found it in the book, but it's been omitted from the show. It is worth mentioning that the cache of dragonglass Ghost found back in season 1/AGOT also contained a horn, which Sam currently has. Some believe this is the Horn of Winter.
But first, finish A Dance with Dragons. Just do NOT read any related articles on A Wiki of Ice and Fire.
based on the theory that the White Walkers are simply another race who built the Wall to prevent men from reaching their lands, what if the WW are actually the Old Gods?
That would make sense....if the White Walkers could actually cross the Wall. As it stands they can't cross the magic infused with the ice and stone of its foundations, so basically they'd be building themselves a prison, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Especially since the humans can come and go as they please.
In ADWD we see that when someone prays to the Old Gods through the Weirwood they're actually praying to the Children of the Forest and Bloodraven. Honestly, I think the White Walkers are more or less the Ice versions of the Red Priests, and just as misguided.
regarding the ending, i truly loved it. i like the theory of the Night's King and that the WW are the ones who built the wall (not totally sold on that one but i like it) to separate men from their lands.
sorry for the long post, and the bad english. but is 1am in the morning, i haveto wake up early for work, and english is not my mother language.
The Night King was the 13th lord Commander of the Wall, so I don't think he was the one that built it. Bran the Builder built the wall if memory serves correctly.
my only minor nitpick with this chapter was as a book reader, regarding Sam telling Jon about Bran: PLEASE, DO NOT READ THE NEXT PARAGRAPH IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE 3RD BOOK
Part of the whole internal struggle that Jon has is that he is literally the last surviving child of Lord Eddard Stark. That he is the only one who can continue the Stark legacy. And that is the main struggle he has when Stannis offers him legitimacy and The North. He will rise as Lord of Winterfell and continue the Stark dynasty. By knowing that Bran (and maybe Rickon as well)is alive, Jon doesn't think himself as the "last Stark", therefore changing his "sharpening" when he denies Stannis
I didn't like the fact that Sam told him either, but....
...in the books, did Jon ever think he was the last Stark? As far as I could tell, he still thought Sansa and Arya to be alive. Though he would still think he was the last living Stark male.
That's a tough one since they are all varied in age. Ser Barristan was supposed to be one of the greatest and most skilled warriors of all time in his prime. He was probably the greatest of all of them, but since he's an old man now the only one he might stand a chance at defeating is Grey Worm, maybe Daario.
I'd probably rank them in terms of all-time skill and forget about age. In which case, it would be:
What a great episode. So happy to see the White Walkers again. By the way this series is running so far, I expect it to all end in one big tragedy. My prediction is that Dany's three dragons are killed by the Lannisters which means that there will be no stopping the White Walkers from destroying everything in Westeros. I hope I'm wrong, but even Martin says that his biggest dream is to "ruin the lives of my readers and crush their souls". So, there you have it.
That's a tough one since they are all varied in age. Ser Barristan was supposed to be one of the greatest and most skilled warriors of all time in his prime. He was probably the greatest of all of them, but since he's an old man now the only one he might stand a chance at defeating is Grey Worm, maybe Daario.
I'd probably rank them in terms of all-time skill and forget about age. In which case, it would be:
based on the theory that the White Walkers are simply another race who built the Wall to prevent men from reaching their lands, what if the WW are actually the Old Gods?
Unlikely. The Old Gods were worshipped by the Children of the Forest, before any record of the White Walkers. During the Dawn Age, the First Men came to Westeros, fought with the Children, but formed the Pact and began to worship the Old Gods as well.
It wasn't until about 2,000 years later when the White Walkers first appeared during The Long Night, where the Children of the Forest helped the First Men defeat them.
There is also more recent evidence we see in ADWD. The Children of the Forest are helping Bloodraven. Since he's grown into a weirwood and is being helped by the Children, it's most likely that he is acting as an agent of the Old Gods. We see that wights, agents of the White Walkers, attack the entrance to his lair where Coldhands fends them off. So the antagonism between the Children and White Walkers still exists.
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