HBO's Game of Thrones - - Part 16

[Tim_Riggins]

Not surprising considering your attitude on the TASM2 boards is what I'm insinuating.

And you are being arrogant in your post, labeling a scene as lazily written is not ignorant at all, just because you don't see it that way and deem us who think otherwise idiots doesn't make your opinion more worthy.

We don't ignore what happens, we've addressed it, don't think the show is so cleverly written that we couldn't decipher what Oberyn wants and what's at stake here.

In a show that goes for shock so many times, it's just another one of those moments, and it just doesn't feel shocking to me anymore when the outcome of the fight is IMO so silly & cartoonish.

 

[Loki882]

BTW, Brienne of Tarth is heading to a galaxy far far away.

http://starwars.com/star-wars-episo...-and-game-of-thrones-gwendoline-christie.html

 

[P Supreme]

BTW, Brienne of Tarth is heading to a galaxy far far away.

http://starwars.com/star-wars-episo...-and-game-of-thrones-gwendoline-christie.html

I like that alot

 

[Kane52630]

With a bit more red hair, she looks like a young version of the Melisandre.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Pedro Pascal on Oberyn's death:

Ultimately, it is about defeating this man who raped and killed his sister, but before he can do that, before he can end this man’s life, he needs a confession. He needs to hear it. And interestingly I had this great conversation with [Thrones co-star] Lena Headey about Oberyn’s journey, and how even though it ends badly, he still hears the confession, you know? I don’t even need to go on after that once it’s been said out loud. And the ecstasy of achieving that, even though it’s being achieved in the instance of my demise.

 

[Drizzle]

By far the mosting upsetting thing I have seen in the show. And Cersei, the ****, smiling after a guy's head is burst to pieces.

I wonder if Cersei will still be smiling when she remembers that her daughter is in custody of the family of the man whose head just got crushed.

"You could at least wear a helmet."

Good advice...

Even if Oberyn had been wearing a helmet, it wouldn't have saved him. The Mountain would have just knocked it off.

So, Dany got rid of her close advisor. Tywin must be pleased.

Shouldn't your username be Ramsay Bolton now?

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

i will never watch that scene again.

 

[P Supreme]

Man I hope Tyrion survives this I really can't see them killing him
and I posted a couple of pages ago I didn't care for Sansa but now
I do

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not surprising considering your attitude on the TASM2 boards is what I'm insinuating.

Oh yes, because my well thought out critiques are so offensive. Well I guess they are to fanboy ears.

And you are being arrogant in your post, labeling a scene as lazily written is not ignorant at all, just because you don't see it that way and deem us who think otherwise idiots doesn't make your opinion more worthy.

No, what I see is logic. I remember this same argument being made for how "badly written" Ned's ending was. Just because people "feel" a certain way, does not dictate what has actually occurred on the show.

You can choose to think it is lazy, and I can choose to point out how ridiculous that argument is citing the show.

We don't ignore what happens, we've addressed it, don't think the show is so cleverly written that we couldn't decipher what Oberyn wants and what's at stake here.

I complain about the writing on the show when it sucks. My views on the entire second season (save Blackwater) shows this. No show is above being criticzed when it does something wrong. That clearly did not occur here.

The entire scene fit the characters of the Red Viper and The Mountain to the tee.

In a show that goes for shock so many times, it's just another one of those moments, and it just doesn't feel shocking to me anymore when the outcome of the fight is IMO so silly & cartoonish.

Shock is done for no story or character purpose. Ned's death, the Red Wedding, and the Viper's end were all clearly spelled out in the show. And his death was gruesome, that is exactly what the Mountain is capable of. Crushing a man's skull in his hands.

 

[Travesty]

If Tyrion dies, I think I'm done with the show. He's the only character alive that I'm interested in anymore.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

With a bit more red hair, she looks like a young version of the Melisandre.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

i think that's what lyanna would have looked like.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Shouldn't your username be Ramsay Bolton now?

I already sent a request to change it, almost straight after watching the episode.

 

[Perfect Cell]

i think that's what lyanna would have looked like.

Lyanna was actually supposed to have looked like Arya. Sansa, Robb, Bran and Rickon are all said to have resembled Catelyn, while Jon and Arya resemble Ned. It's one of the reasons Catelyn resents Jon, since he "looks" more like a Stark than her trueborn sons.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

I wonder if Cersei will still be smiling when she remembers that her daughter is in custody of the family of the man whose head just got crushed.

I hope it's Tyrion who reminds her

 

[Doctor Evo]

If Tyrion dies, I think I'm done with the show. He's the only character alive that I'm interested in anymore.

Agreed, though Arya comes in at a close second. I really enjoy her dynamic with the Hound. Otherwise...

 

[Marvolo]

Pedro Pascal on Oberyn's death:

Givent the nature of his death I highly doubt he even heard what the Mountain was saying. His teeth being knocked out, his jaw shattered, his eyes being pushed into his brain, and the unbelievable cranial pressure...he was in shock and his brain would have been overloaded. The only thing he would have been doing in those last seconds was screaming and literally crapping and pissing his pants. This is a case where D&D's insistence on shocking the audience with brutality has gotten in the way of their other intentions. That death scene doesnt make it possible for Oberyn to hear or process let alone enjoy that confession. So while he got the Mountain to confess Oberyn never knew. He was too busy getting distracted by his gruesome ridiculous death.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

I don't think Oberyn's victory was so much about him, but about the memory of his sister. So him not hearing the confession might not be such an issue.

 

[TheBat812]

Not surprising considering your attitude on the TASM2 boards is what I'm insinuating.

And you are being arrogant in your post, labeling a scene as lazily written is not ignorant at all, just because you don't see it that way and deem us who think otherwise idiots doesn't make your opinion more worthy.

We don't ignore what happens, we've addressed it, don't think the show is so cleverly written that we couldn't decipher what Oberyn wants and what's at stake here.

In a show that goes for shock so many times, it's just another one of those moments, and it just doesn't feel shocking to me anymore when the outcome of the fight is IMO so silly & cartoonish.

Personally, I think it was great writing in that it was a continuation of the themes of the show that people's faults, no matter how noble, become their demise. Oberyn was cocky to a fault and it was his downfall. Were there better ways to go about it safely? Sure. But it was his cockiness that led him to believe he was safe even though we as an audience (as well as the others looking on) knew he was not. That simply adds to the tension, when you know they're making a mistake as a result of their personal flaws.

 

[Emperor_Zerg]

Damn, that ending.... As much as it was set up for that moment to happen with Tyrion's warnings and him being overly cocky throughout the fight, it was still shocking. Probably because they hype up the character so much with his victory and the death was so sudden and quick.

Anyways, I was kind of shocked that the Viper didn't torture the Mountain more as he was laying. I would have speared his biceps making him confess or aim for the knees or something to torture him and make him more immobilized.

 

[MiffaLadd_]

Ellaria heard though and I imagine it will make it's way back to Dorne very quickly, so even if Oberyn didn't hear his confession, the rest of his family did.

 

[Marvolo]

I don't think Oberyn's victory was so much about him, but about the memory of his sister. So him not hearing the confession might not be such an issue.

Im responding to Pedro's statement about Oberyn being okay with dying because he heard the confession. He didnt so Oberyn died thinking The Mountain didnt confess. Oberyn died thinking he failed in that goal. Book Spoilers:

Spoiler

But thanks to the poison he died at least knowing The Mountain wasnt long for the world.

 

[Perfect Cell]

Personally, I think it was great writing in that it was a continuation of the themes of the show that people's faults, no matter how noble, become their demise. Oberyn was cocky to a fault and it was his downfall. Were there better ways to go about it safely? Sure. But it was his cockiness that led him to believe he was safe even though we as an audience (as well as the others looking on) knew he was not. That simply adds to the tension, when you know they're making a mistake as a result of their personal flaws.

Also, in my opinion, the arrogance and showmanship he displayed during the fight wasn't just because he was mindlessly cocky. I think they had a purpose, in his mind. He needed to be showy for the crowd, because he needed the crowd to be paying full attention to every little detail of the fight. He wanted everyone around to hear the Mountain confess. Oberyn played it up so he could make sure he had his audience. And it was his undoing.

 

[lime]

When we will have samples of the Season 4 Score? Any ideas?

???

 

[TheFuture]

Ellaria heard though and I imagine it will make it's way back to Dorne very quickly, so even if Oberyn didn't hear his confession, the rest of his family did.

Was it the confession he wanted though? I got the impression that the mountain raping and murdering his sister and her children was generally accepted in Dorne. What Oberyn was actually looking for was confirmation that it was the Lannisters that gave the order. He never got that confession though.