Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - Part 13

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I have wanted to see Hank Henshaw in a Superman movie for a while. But wouldn’t mind someone like Metallica to bring the story back down to Earth a little bit (pun intended).

 

[boocherhix]

 

[vantheman77]

Lots of comics stories could be adapted for future MoS sequels.

 

[Superchan]

I still think Action #775 is the way to go! There is so much they can do with that story.
Like I mentioned before they could introduce Black Adam in such a story, where he is a superman like being with anti hero tendencies.
Other superman villains like parasite, metallo, livewire and even toyman could be used quite well.
Parasite could be a tragic figure who can't stop himself from absorbing the life and essence of others even though he doesn't want to, i.e. his powers could be something akin to an addiction.
Superman tries to help him but parasite continues to break free resulting in the deaths of many people and this starts the whole debate on whether superman should just 'put him down' and when superman obviously refuses Black Adam/Manchester black steps in and does the deed thus turning public opinion against superman.
Metallo could be a government secret project utilizing the armor remains that zod left behind in lex's construction site and John Corbon (like steve rogers) volunteered for the project because as a trained soldier he feels obsolete with the presence of superpowered beings all over the earth, hence he's a man of steel who is fighting for his relevance just like superman is in the story.
Honestly the story is ripe for the making, any half decent script writer could make something special out of it.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

^ That sounds great.

 

[BH/HHH]

I never liked Hank Henshaw aka the Cyborg Superman. Always thought he was a lame villain. I think the Eradictor should have been the villain in the Death or Superman comic storyline.

 

[Tra-El]

I'd save Brainiac for a later film and try to do a more personal story with Metallo, Paradite or someone.

If they want to go cosmic, I say go with a Lobo/Mongul dynamic, with as pitched begore Mongul hiring Lobo to bring Superman to War World.

Superman v Lobo?

SPLURGE! Lobo was used in Landis' American Alien. Loved it immensley.

 

[Verick808]

I've always hated Metallo as a villain. He only works because he's pretty much poison to Superman. I really want to see Mongul, Warworld, and Draaga at some point though.

 

[Tra-El]

Mxy would be a game changer in every way. A 5th dimension Superman movie would be bonkers.

 

[flickchick85]

I love Mxy. I'd be down for Mongul/Warworld/Draaga as well.

I too find Metallo too boring to be a Big Bad. He's henchman material at best, imo.

 

[Zorex]

I never liked Hank Henshaw aka the Cyborg Superman. Always thought he was a lame villain. I think the Eradictor should have been the villain in the Death or Superman comic storyline.

I love the Eradicator. I don't know what it is. (I have a huge soft spot for his Reign of the Superman-era costume.) Weren't his earliest comic motivations to punish Superman for not being Kryptonian enough and trying to remake Earth into a New Krypton? That's a lot like MOS. Rebirth brought him back and had him trying to purge Lois & Clark's son for being, in his view, a hybrid abomination. That could be an interesting story thread to work in, though you'd have to get Lois & Clark married, settled down and having had a kid... And then, would DC & WB want to do something that heavily domestic-oriented, as opposed to the usual end-of-the-world plots?

 

[Superchan]

Mxy would be a game changer in every way. A 5th dimension Superman movie would be bonkers.

Actually Mxy would make for a wonderful antagonist if they use him like Alan Moore did i.e. the wizard behind the curtains who turns superman's world upside down rather than the mischievous imp who animates buildings etc and turns a serious story into a saturday morning cartoon.
Think ala the BTAS episode "requiem for a dream" where Clark wakes up one morning and realizes that he's not superman and that everything he thought he knew was a fantasy. Infact Mark Millar wrote an issue of Superman adventures that used the exact same premise.
Another way to do is to adapt the "ending battle" story arc where all of superman's villains realize that he and clark are one and the same and start attacking all the people in his life including his dentist!!! Only to realize that Manchester Black was behind it all but instead of Black they could use mxy.

I love Mxy. I'd be down for Mongul/Warworld/Draaga as well.

I too find Metallo too boring to be a Big Bad. He's henchman material at best, imo.

The mongul/warworld thing could've worked had they used that story right after MOS where superman is kidnapped and has to fight and kill his opponent to survive, which presents an interesting dilemma especially after what happened with Zod. Unfortunately that's not the direction they chose to take and Thor Ragnarok is essentially utilizing the same idea so the whole thing would come off as a retread.

As for Metallo, yeah he's a cool concept B-villain and a henchmen is where he should be.

 

[Gu3ree]

I think Metallo could either be a solid villain or a weak villain.

If there was one thing I liked about MOS, it's that Snyder didn't use Kryptonite for Superman's first movie. It really would have slowed the movie down.

One the one hand, Kryptonite can be interesting, since it's merely Superman's only weakness. On the other hand, Kryptonite sucks. I think there's so many reasons why, but that debate would be endless, but just to name a few reasons why it sucks...

A rock that weakens Superman. Sometimes Kryptonite substitutes itself as the main villain which sucks.

To some extent, kryptonite was like the main villain in Superman Returns, and that's why I hated it. Lifting the Kryptonite island into space.

I mean it is a rock, as opposed to a super-villain whom we could see Superman fight. But instead, it's a green rock. I think Kryptonite can be interesting when put to good use though.

As for Metallo...I think John Corben is an interesting character, but if we saw Superman get beaten easily by Metallo for God knows how long, and to what length it will take up in the movie, then that would be annoying. Having said that, I think Metallo poses as a reasonably good threat to Superman in terms of story.

Aside that his heart is pure Kryptonite, he is also mechanical and has other gadgets which is interesting too. And seeing him upgrade himself into the giant, monster Metallo (I don't know if he's refered to that way) might be fun too.

Doing Metallo would be complex, but maybe if the writers thought hard about it and how to make it happen, then maybe they could pull it off. The bottom line however is that we don't want to see Superman get taken out so easily by Kryptonite, because, then the fight is practically over as Superman can't possibly continue the fight once he's weakened by Kryptonite, so it doesn't make much of a point.

Because how then, could we see Superman battle Metallo? But say they play it out like this...Metallo wants the fight to be fair, or he wants a good challenge, so he doesn't just want to rely on green K, so he gets his armor upgraded, and is nearly as strong as Superman is, but Superman is slightly de-powered, but we can still see them fight, then maybe that fight would be more enduring.

Supes could watch out for Kryptonite blasts in flight.

 

[Herolee10]

Well I definitely don't envy the person who has to take on the job of directing Superman's next solo film.

Cavill has, in my honest opinion, everything that's needed to make a great superman... one that could be to modern audiences on what Christopher Reeve's version was for so many generations.

However, unlike past revival attempts, telling a great superman story isn't going to be enough. In my honest opinion, he has to also present Superman in a way where he's regarded in the same level of popularity as the likes of Gal's Wonder Woman, Ben's Batman, and (potentially soon to be) Jason's Aquaman and Ezra's Flash.

 

[Gu3ree]

I must say I got bored watching Superman: The Animated Series, it got better the second season. Too bad it got cancelled. I think the Bruce Timm and his team didn't just de-power Superman, but they really weakened Superman. I know they had reasons for it though. Some villains I thought were really boring. Superman and Lex Luthor's antagonism didn't really start to get engaging until late in the series, and when Justice League animated series ran.

I think Tim Daly provided a great voice for the role of Superman, however when watching the JL animated series, I was unaware at the time that they had changed the actor. At first I thought it was the same voice, gradually I was able to hear a difference. I got used to George Newbern, and once I went back to STAS, I realized something about Tim Daly's voice of Superman sounded too straight and casual. I don't know how to articulate it very well, but some aspects about him were a little boring. Superman was too straight of a character.

When Tim Daly was voicing Clark Kent, he never changed his voice. He sounded the same when he was Superman. He never changed his personality that much either. George Newbern on the other hand gave Superman a little more sense of humor which I liked. I eventually came to prefer George Newbern better than Daly, with no disrespect to Tim Daly by any means.

Regardless of the voices...I didn't really start to feel like Superman got the treatment he deserved (since the CR Superman movies) until the Justice League animated series, especially "Unlimited".

One of those notions were that they didn't make Superman as weak as he was in his solo animated series. He was able to lift a plane this time without effort, punch a villain at greater distances. He still got tickled by electricity every now and then, but I didn't mind. Superman was fun, he was liked, you rooted for him, he led people, he inspired, and he became relevant (for these series), and seeing him cut loose against Darkseid wast he highlight of it all. He wasn't boring as the majority of general audiences perceive of him.

This is the exact version of Superman I want to see in the future.

 

[BH/HHH]

Superman v Lobo?

SPLURGE! Lobo was used in Landis' American Alien. Loved it immensley.

Yeah but have Mongul as the main antagonist behind the scenes causing a reluctant team up between Superman and Lobo. So think the Main Man episodes of Superman the Animated Series mixed in with the War World storyline. So in effect Mongul takes the place of the Collector and Lobo in the War World portion sort of replaces Draaga’s role.

I think Metallo could either be a solid villain or a weak villain.

Yeah you have to get him right. His first appearance in STAS but in the episodes where he comes back he wasn’t treated aswell or as much of a threat.

I love the Eradicator. I don't know what it is. (I have a huge soft spot for his Reign of the Superman-era costume.) Weren't his earliest comic motivations to punish Superman for not being Kryptonian enough and trying to remake Earth into a New Krypton? That's a lot like MOS. Rebirth brought him back and had him trying to purge Lois & Clark's son for being, in his view, a hybrid abomination. That could be an interesting story thread to work in, though you'd have to get Lois & Clark married, settled down and having had a kid... And then, would DC & WB want to do something that heavily domestic-oriented, as opposed to the usual end-of-the-world plots?

There was that great storyline where Superman threw him into the sun. I’ve always loved his design especially in those early stories.

 

[titansupes]

I don't know if anyone's ever noticed this before, but Henry Cavill is a somewhat handsome fellow.

 

[flickchick85]

 

[Herolee10]

I think the general consensus around here is that we are all banking for Justice League to serve as a form of rebirth for the character when it comes to how fans and critics feel about him on film, especially after his mixed reception from the last two films that he has starred in.

So with that said, if Superman's role in this move doesn't end up generating a lot of buzz and praise from several fans and critics alike, will you guys see this film as yet another misstep? Or what would you guys label as a success in terms of how Superman is used in this film?

 

[nyyarod]

Those arms

 

[Lone]

I still think Action #775 is the way to go! There is so much they can do with that story.
Like I mentioned before they could introduce Black Adam in such a story, where he is a superman like being with anti hero tendencies.
Other superman villains like parasite, metallo, livewire and even toyman could be used quite well.
Parasite could be a tragic figure who can't stop himself from absorbing the life and essence of others even though he doesn't want to, i.e. his powers could be something akin to an addiction.
Superman tries to help him but parasite continues to break free resulting in the deaths of many people and this starts the whole debate on whether superman should just 'put him down' and when superman obviously refuses Black Adam/Manchester black steps in and does the deed thus turning public opinion against superman.
Metallo could be a government secret project utilizing the armor remains that zod left behind in lex's construction site and John Corbon (like steve rogers) volunteered for the project because as a trained soldier he feels obsolete with the presence of superpowered beings all over the earth, hence he's a man of steel who is fighting for his relevance just like superman is in the story.
Honestly the story is ripe for the making, any half decent script writer could make something special out of it.

I’ve always thought Action #775 would be the perfect swan song for Cavill’s Superman.

 

[Superchan]

I’ve always thought Action #775 would be the perfect swan song for Cavill’s Superman.

Swan song? No no no my friend, more like the opening act! There is so much to explore with Superman.

 

[markjoedelonge]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BbBnjjGFuwu/?taken-by=henrycavill

Cavill will be joining the cast for the London press tour.

 

[Tra-El]

Swan song? No no no my friend, more like the opening act! There is so much to explore with Superman.

Exactly.

 

[Maze]

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/395365726#p395393698