Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - Part 15

[MbJ]

Henry has a great sense of humor.

 

[Black Narcissus]

That stache got him some bait thrown at him by Demi Lovato. Hnnnnnnnngh.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Considering Snyder's track record with her I wouldn't be surprised if she was heavily involved in the investigation stuff at STAR labs that was all removed.

I always wanted Lois to not only be the mouthpiece for Supes but the League as well; I wanted her to give WW her name and know she was Diana but keep it quiet.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Mannnnnn, Superman comes with so much baggage. Both from fans and past movies. Sweet lord. No matter who they get to do a MOS sequel or just a straight up reboot, it is a hill that no other character has to fly (pun intended). Captain America might be the closest to a version of Superman for Marvel in a way, but Cap does not have this kind of baggage.

Cap does not come with this baggage:

-Gotta have an s curl
-complaints over red underwear or not
-the use of kryptonite
-the out cry of action outside of metropolis...All the action from now on should be fought in some isolated place somewhere.
-Lois Lane being a constant burden of saving.
-Jimmy Olsen taking up some screen time.
-Clark persona acting more quirky.
-saving ppl isn't enough, you MUST show him talking to ppl.
-No more christ nods cause we get it.
-a brighter yellow on his shield.
-Not smiling enough.
-Superman never kills claims despite comics showing otherwise.

Any more to add to the list? lol

It is easy for some fans to say its simple to do, but we have seen it isn't the case. A modern make of Superman the movie would get picked apart today. That isn't how time travel works articles and whatnot.

If it ever gets to the point of having a good Superman movie, it will be seen in the same vain as Spiderman Homecoming. Not better than the Raimi two films, but it works, never on the level of a Batman Begins or never even coming near Dark Knight, just a passable rotten tomatoes approved and financially good Superman movie, which is better than nothing or to some (better than what we have seen before), but just there and nothing more for the Superman fandom.

 

[Flint Marko]

All the action from now on should be fought in some isolated place somewhere.

People weren't mad that there was action in a populated area.

-saving ppl isn't enough, you MUST show him talking to ppl.

How about just talking more.... period? Doesn't seem like such a weird thing to ask for.

 

[Black Narcissus]

People weren't mad that there was action in a populated area.



How about just talking.... period? Doesn't seem like such a weird thing to ask for.

I have seen folks still complain about fighting in a populated area , so it might not bother you ( it did not bother me either), but that complain still stands.

Talking more? Sure. I have no issue with that. lol

Feel free to add other baggage to the list.

 

[Flint Marko]

I have seen folks still complain about fighting in a populated area , so it might not bother you ( it did not bother me either), but that complain still stands.

Superhero movies have destructive fights in populated areas all the time and no one ever bats an eye.

MoS stands out because not only does Superman make no concerted effort to minimize destruction or casualties, but he actively goes out of the way at times to endanger more people and the film doesn't treat it like something we should think about.

It's 'splosions and noise because it's, like, totally cool to see things blow up, bro. Just don't think about it.

Spoiler

 

[Black Narcissus]

Yes, I'm very well informed with MOS complaints.

 

[Flint Marko]

Yes, I'm very well informed with MOS complaints.

If you really think anyone was mad solely because Superman fought in a populated area and nothing beyond that, then you're clearly not.

 

[Black Narcissus]

If you really think anyone was mad that Superman fought in a populated area and nothing beyond that, then you're clearly not.

Sure thing, man. I ain't going to engage in another MOS debate. Some of my points are obviously made in a joking manner without going into detail about them complaints.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

BN did you get the whining about his hair and a curl in the front?! Maybe because I grew up with Dean Cain, but I could care less about a damn curl; as long as his hair is black and neat is all that matters to me. But you are right BN Superman comes with too much baggage that fans and audiences don't want to let go of.

 

[Flint Marko]

Sure thing, man. I ain't going to engage in another MOS debate. Some of my points are obviously made in a joking manner without going into detail about them complaints.

Sorry for discussing something you brought up on a discussion forum.

Find me one single person that fits your description of said complaints, and I will singlehandedly pay for your hair plugs.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Not sure why you're so hung up on BN's post, Marko. It's obvious he is kind of joking but there's also some truth to what he says.

The final piece of the puzzle is that people are going to complain more about some things because these Superman movies (or movies where he is featured) are so divisive.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Sorry for discussing something you brought up on a discussion forum.

Find me one single person that fits your description of said complaints, and I will singlehandedly pay for your hair plugs.

Funny, I was just reading that other thread and found this:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=36298383&postcount=8

You did say one person tho, sure as hell aint going through mos thread to show your bald Feige head some proof. One person, just get me the expensive hairspray, I'd like my hair smelling good too.

 

[Flint Marko]

Funny, I was just reading that other thread and found this:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=36298383&postcount=8

You did say one person tho, sure as hell aint going through mos thread to show your bald Feige head some proof. There one guy. Just get me the expensive hairspray, I'd like my hair smelling good too.

Superman bringing the fight to a populated area is actually exactly what I'm complaining about You proved my point for me.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Superman bringing the fight to a populated area is actually exactly what I'm complaining about

And my point is that Superman will have many baggage and nitpicks for it to be well loved, no matter who they get on the next follow up or reboot.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Even from a writing point, I can see how simple it is to do a proper Batman outline. One might get some of the ingredients wrong, but the goddamn bread and butter is already there. Superman comes with so many chefs and their own recipes and variations. My soup is the best! Lawd.

 

[misslane38]

Superhero movies have destructive fights in populated areas all the time and no one ever bats an eye.

MoS stands out because not only does Superman make no concerted effort to minimize destruction or casualties, but he actively goes out of the way at times to endanger more people and the film doesn't treat it like something we should think about.

Superman is making an effort by going after the source of the destruction. He's only one man whereas the other stories you're probably thinking of featuring multiple heroes working together so they can delegate and distribute responsibility. He doesn't deliberately endanger people.

Sure thing, man. I ain't going to engage in another MOS debate.

Good point. Further discussion can be moved here, if interested.

 

[Superchan]

And my point is that Superman will have many baggage and nitpicks for it to be well loved, no matter who they get on the next follow up or reboot.

Every iconic character will have baggage and nitpicks baldy and superman is the biggest icon of them all, but that doesn't mean that making an acclaimed superman movie is impossible.
Remember we the fans make up a very small proportion of the population who end up watching these movies and SR, MOS and BvS failed because the general population - who couldn't give a flying s*** about superman's curl or undies or any of those elements that we the fans hold dear - were either divided or out right distasteful of those movies because they simply didn't work for them.
Post 2000 we had 3 somber movies where superman is emo, mopey and allergic to dialogue so how about -for s**ts and giggles if for nothing else - try something alittle different, I don't know maybe a film where superman actually talks or maybe something like a dose of levity, you know crazy s**t like that.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Sure, which is why I brought up Homecoming. Not better than the original, but just good enough. Better than nothing.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

 

[idiot09]

If it ever gets to the point of having a good Superman movie, it will be seen in the same vain as Spiderman Homecoming. Not better than the Raimi two films, but it works, never on the level of a Batman Begins or never even coming near Dark Knight, just a passable rotten tomatoes approved and financially good Superman movie, which is better than nothing or to some (better than what we have seen before), but just there and nothing more for the Superman fandom.

That's the sad part.

 

[Reel-Man]

Yup. Someone above really is determined and obviously needs a break.

 

[Superchan]

Sure, which is why I brought up Homecoming. Not better than the original, but just good enough. Better than nothing.

If we get anything resembling homecoming in terms of quality then I'd be a very happy bald camper since I think homecoming is by far the best out of all of the spidey movies and this is coming from a spidy fan.

 

[Jekecy]

If we get anything resembling homecoming in terms of quality then I'd be a very happy bald camper since I think homecoming is by far the best out of all of the spidey movies and this is coming from a spidy fan.

Yeah I don't get how something akin to a Homecoming is some sort of low bar. While I personally still rank the Raimi films a tier higher, it's unquestionably a big hit for fans and audiences alike. And there's quite a bit of the fanbase who feel this has been the closest to the feel of the books yet, which is great for them.

Supes fans would be lucky to have such a luxury.