Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - - - Part 17

[Tra-El]

and Tra-El has seeing Wonder Woman 1984 times, that's pure dedication and he's a Sup guy

 

[Greenlite]

Ya I think you need someone with huge professionalism for roles like this where you're scrutinized over everything. Ben's emotions are easy to see and it makes him a target. the timing for Ben on the professional side was actually great post Argo but the private stuff was yikes

PS like in JL their scenes and smiles felt so forced (the freaking mustache CGI jaw didn't help), they could probably improvise and make a great scene with each other

 

[Greenlite]

I didn't find JW2's forced light moments funny at all, but maybe that's due to the script, though the killer dinosaur's scene when the hunter tried to take his tooth was funny, like dark humor, and I'm sure it's the director who did the work there.

Well if the rumors are true some news might be here in the next 2 wks....

 

[Greenlite]

how would you guys want Clark be like in the sequel?

bumbly Clark? I actually like what we got and someone said elsewhere that Foxx in ASM2 was too goofy, and I'd prefer Clark to be a charming handsome guy who's liked by everyone and people make fun/mock him for fun because they like him, you know people like to joke with the popular guy because they like him not to condenscend him.

Like in one of the interviews with Kimmel Henry had to repeat his answer because Kimmel probably had a blank moment and Henry raised his voice and said "were you even listening to me!?"

even Cavill and Adams' interviews were pretty funny, Amy herself is quite funny reminds me of Anne Hathaway, I just hope that chemistry is used naturally onto the screen

 

[MbJ]

Darkness in a Superman film isn't the problem. That is welcomed givin' that Superman is a bright and hopeful character that would stick out of the darkness. He would shine bright. That's what fans were hoping for with BvS. Superman being the bright ying to Batman's dark yang. It didn't end up that way.

JA can bring the grit, yes, but levity is the key to the next Superman film and I think JA has those goods. Plus, his affection for the character would payoff dividends. He would make sure he's doing the character Justice.

I agree. I think the animated World's Finest is still the perfect template for a Batman and Superman crossover.

 

[idiot09]

how would you guys want Clark be like in the sequel?

Like he is in Byrne's The Man of Steel, or he is currently in Rebirth(and frankly many other comics). Not the bumbling, mild mannered reporter. But the serious, polite dude who is trying to do the right thing, and his way of blending in is to just be like a normal everyday person, and not draw too much attention to himself. I'd also like to see the more playful side of him when he's not dealing with the serious issues. Basically a continuation/fleshing out of the reporter we saw in BvS. That's what I like about solo movies post the origin, you can explore the characters more.

Darkness in a Superman film isn't the problem.

Maybe not to us, but many people have a fundamental issue with the whole "writing Superman into a no-win/dark scenario". I think they probably want to play it safe with the next Superman film, no risks. Might end up being a highly studio mandated film, which might potentially turn away creative directors.

But I do think if they take that approach the critic reaction would be good. Critics seem to appreciate that side of Superman(just look at SR). Box Office? That's up for debate. But lets hope for the best.

Superman is such a character...that its very difficult to please everybody. But they dont have to. But it is what it is I guess. The great thing is he is being represented in so many different media...so many comic runs, animation, film...maybe soon a game? There's something for everyone.

 

[Greenlite]

Like he is in Byrne's The Man of Steel, or he is currently in Rebirth(and frankly many other comics). Not the bumbling, mild mannered reporter. But the serious, polite dude who is trying to do the right thing, and his way of blending in is to just be like a normal everyday person, and not draw too much attention to himself. I'd also like to see the more playful side of him when he's not dealing with the serious issues. Basically a continuation/fleshing out of the reporter we saw in BvS. That's what I like about solo movies post the origin, you can explore the characters more.



Maybe not to us, but many people have a fundamental issue with the whole "writing Superman into a no-win/dark scenario". I think they probably want to play it safe with the next Superman film, no risks. Might end up being a highly studio mandated film, which might potentially turn away creative directors.

But I do think if they take that approach the critic reaction would be good. Critics seem to appreciate that side of Superman(just look at SR). Box Office? That's up for debate. But lets hope for the best.

Superman is such a character...that its very difficult to please everybody. But they dont have to. But it is what it is I guess. The great thing is he is being represented in so many different media...so many comic runs, animation, film...maybe soon a game? There's something for everyone.

1) Sounds good.

2) I think audiences want him to have an inspiring moment like WW, and go the hard route to save everyone, like Jor-El said, I guess that's one of the reasons the theme didn't match - Dad said save everyone, boom 10 buildings knocked down lol.

 

[idiot09]

2) I think audiences want him to have an inspiring moment like WW, and go the hard route to save everyone, like Jor-El said, I guess that's one of the reasons the theme didn't match - Dad said save everyone, boom 10 buildings knocked down lol.

Hah, true. Then again...its not always possible to save everyone. Greater good etc etc. But yeah, lot of people expect a Superman movie to be "Feel good" movies, which the 2 Snyder movies werent. Do I think they were hopeful and inspiring? Yes. But not feel good(and imo it doesnt have to be but hey thats just me). So yeah, I understand that demand and that want to be fulfilled.

 

[BH/HHH]

I agree. I think the animated World's Finest is still the perfect template for a Batman and Superman crossover.

Completely agree

 

[STARMAN]

If a director really wants to direct Superman and the opportunity arises then they take it. Say what you want about Singer but his dream was to make a Superman film and he did everything in his power to make it happen. He brought in his writers, wrote a treatment, set up a meeting and made a pitch.

If directors are scared away for one reason or another then they truly didn't want to make a Superman film in the first place.

 

[Micromind]

If a director really wants to direct Superman and the opportunity arises then they take it. Say what you want about Singer but his dream was to make a Superman film and he did everything in his power to make it happen. He brought in his writers, wrote a treatment, set up a meeting and made a pitch.

If directors are scared away for one reason or another then they truly didn't want to make a Superman film in the first place.

Exactly, if the task seems daunting, then it means that director has no idea how to make a Superman movie.

 

[BH/HHH]

What’s annoying is anyone of us were we big time directors would kill to make a Superman movie. I mean I make small indie films with my brother but I don’t have the skills to make a Superman film haha

 

[Tra-El]

how would you guys want Clark be like in the sequel?

bumbly Clark? I actually like what we got and someone said elsewhere that Foxx in ASM2 was too goofy, and I'd prefer Clark to be a charming handsome guy who's liked by everyone and people make fun/mock him for fun because they like him, you know people like to joke with the popular guy because they like him not to condenscend him.

Like in one of the interviews with Kimmel Henry had to repeat his answer because Kimmel probably had a blank moment and Henry raised his voice and said "were you even listening to me!?"

even Cavill and Adams' interviews were pretty funny, Amy herself is quite funny reminds me of Anne Hathaway, I just hope that chemistry is used naturally onto the screen

Bumbling? No, but I would like to see Cavill's Clark turn into a likeable co-worker that has a one-lineing; dry personality who would have that solid "inside joke" connection worth Lois where they can cover for each other in a comedic manor. Henry is really funny but he's kind of dry and that makes him even funnier so adding Henry's natural likability within his personality is something I'd like to see more in Clark but I want to see him be nicely balanced. Chill and professional but witty and funny.

 

[BH/HHH]

I want a Clark like Tyler Hoechlin’s Clark, he’s not bumbling has the occasional moment of clumsiness and sort of just blends in same as everyone else. But he is also a hard hitting reporter when the time calls for it.

 

[Nemeres]

I think with Superman's characterization, if you're not a fan, it's easy to sooner or later fall into the "he's too perfect" camp, and that's always going to limit people's investment. If you avoid cheese completely, you end up making him too "neutral", and that, at a certain point, grows dull. I think he can do with a bit of cheese. Not Chris Reeve's degrees of "bumbling Clark" necessarily, but as a guy raised in a farm with a highly moral upbringing and polished manners, it makes sense to have him be a bit of a square, a friendly people-pleaser while not a pushover. He's savvy about the dynamics around him and can function well without alienating himself, but there'd always be that Leslie Knope-ish cornball streak underneath. It makes the Clark Kent role a richer one to play. Too "neutral" ends up being boring.

 

[_Superman_]

I think with Superman's characterization, if you're not a fan, it's easy to sooner or later fall into the "he's too perfect" camp, and that's always going to limit people's investment. If you avoid cheese completely, you end up making him too "neutral", and that, at a certain point, grows dull. I think he can do with a bit of cheese. Not Chris Reeve's degrees of "bumbling Clark" necessarily, but as a guy raised in a farm with a highly moral upbringing and polished manners, it makes sense to have him be a bit of a square, a friendly people-pleaser while not a pushover. He's savvy about the dynamics around him and can function well without alienating himself, but there'd always be that Leslie Knope-ish cornball streak underneath. It makes the Clark Kent role a richer one to play. Too "neutral" ends up being boring.

I liked the way Cavill, Routh and Cain's Clark were. Personally while I love Reeve's Superman I dislike his Clark.

 

[Enriquespy]

I think with Superman's characterization, if you're not a fan, it's easy to sooner or later fall into the "he's too perfect" camp, and that's always going to limit people's investment. If you avoid cheese completely, you end up making him too "neutral", and that, at a certain point, grows dull. I think he can do with a bit of cheese. Not Chris Reeve's degrees of "bumbling Clark" necessarily, but as a guy raised in a farm with a highly moral upbringing and polished manners, it makes sense to have him be a bit of a square, a friendly people-pleaser while not a pushover. He's savvy about the dynamics around him and can function well without alienating himself, but there'd always be that Leslie Knope-ish cornball streak underneath. It makes the Clark Kent role a richer one to play. Too "neutral" ends up being boring.

This is good.

 

[MbJ]

I think with Superman's characterization, if you're not a fan, it's easy to sooner or later fall into the "he's too perfect" camp, and that's always going to limit people's investment. If you avoid cheese completely, you end up making him too "neutral", and that, at a certain point, grows dull. I think he can do with a bit of cheese. Not Chris Reeve's degrees of "bumbling Clark" necessarily, but as a guy raised in a farm with a highly moral upbringing and polished manners, it makes sense to have him be a bit of a square, a friendly people-pleaser while not a pushover. He's savvy about the dynamics around him and can function well without alienating himself, but there'd always be that Leslie Knope-ish cornball streak underneath. It makes the Clark Kent role a richer one to play. Too "neutral" ends up being boring.

Very well said. I think the level of stoicism applied to the character (ostensibly to avoid the perception of him being corny) has been why so many people had trouble connecting with him and why there was so much criticism of Cavill's performance. A balance between the two takes would be ideal and give Henry some time to show his stuff.

 

[Mandon Knight]

I liked the way Cavill, Routh and Cain's Clark were. Personally while I love Reeve's Superman I dislike his Clark.

With Reeve, the decision to make them both SO separate entities of distinction led to such a contrast that obviously some people don't like in part.

I believe it was Cavill who said, to make him so noticeable would actually draw attention to himself, hence why he did the 'experiment' in New York I think it was.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

With Reeve, the decision to make them both SO separate entities of distinction led to such a contrast that obviously some people don't like in part.

I believe it was Cavill who said, to make him so noticeable would actually draw attention to himself, hence why he did the 'experiment' in New York I think it was.

For me the reason why I dislike the approach to Reeve's Clark, while the part where his behavior would actually draw more attention to himself is certainly a part of it, the main thing for me is that I think Clark and Superman should both very much be two different sides of his actual personality, there can be aspects of the two that are a bit of an act, but for the most part I think there should be something very genuine about the two identities. Reeve's Clark is a straight up act, and that makes it impossible to actually connect with the character when he's at the Daily Planet.

 

[misslane38]

Very well said. I think the level of stoicism applied to the character (ostensibly to avoid the perception of him being corny) has been why so many people had trouble connecting with him and why there was so much criticism of Cavill's performance. A balance between the two takes would be ideal and give Henry some time to show his stuff.

I don't agree with this. To be stoic means to conceal one's emotions, and for the most part the persona people had more difficulty with in terms of attitude was Superman's, not Clark's, and even then it was less that he showed no emotion and more that he showed too much of the "wrong" emotion. So, to be clear, what Nemeres was talking about was the "Clark Kent" identity. What we've seen from Cavill's Clark in the workplace or at home with Lois is someone who is far from stoic. He pitches stories and romances Lois with passion and earnestness.

 

[Superchan]

how would you guys want Clark be like in the sequel?

bumbly Clark? I actually like what we got and someone said elsewhere that Foxx in ASM2 was too goofy, and I'd prefer Clark to be a charming handsome guy who's liked by everyone and people make fun/mock him for fun because they like him, you know people like to joke with the popular guy because they like him not to condenscend him.

Like in one of the interviews with Kimmel Henry had to repeat his answer because Kimmel probably had a blank moment and Henry raised his voice and said "were you even listening to me!?"

even Cavill and Adams' interviews were pretty funny, Amy herself is quite funny reminds me of Anne Hathaway, I just hope that chemistry is used naturally onto the screen

I love Grant Morrison's social crusader CK, a hard hitting journalist who helps as many people via journalism as superman does with his superpowers. Basically no need to make him distinct from superman but rather make him useful.

 

[Aurakles]

Clark is just as malleable as Superman.
I think the Reeve's Clark was great, it suited those films because they were quite cartoonish in nature.
Cavill's Clark makes sense in the more serious DCEU films.

For future DCEU films I think Clark should show a bit more of his country upbringing. I think too often once he moves to Metropolis Clark seems like a typical city-dweller.

 

[MbJ]

I don't agree with this.

I do. Giving Henry a chance to be more emotive is something that would do wonders, specifically when the major knocks against him are often people saying that he feels wooden or that his portrayal isn't someone they can get invested in. He's a naturally charming and likable guy, and he could bring that to the role. Thankfully, if the rumors are true, that's exactly where they plan to go with Superman's next appearances

 

[misslane38]

I do. Giving Henry a chance to be more emotive is something that would do wonders, specifically when the major knocks against him are often people saying that he feels wooden or that his portrayal isn't someone they can get invested in. He's a naturally charming and likable guy, and he could bring that to the role. Thankfully, if the rumors are true, that's exactly where they plan to go with Superman's next appearances.

I disagreed with your use of the term "stoicism" to describe his whole character when the discussion was about the "Clark Kent" identity. Saying you want him to be more charming overall is something completely different. Charm isn't emotion, and people mostly want to see that more in the Superman persona, not the Clark Kent persona.