Here We Go Again Part 3: New Welling As Superman Rumors?

[Karelia]

Tom usually wins every pole. Especially poles that aren't on CB sites. At least from what I've noticed.

 

[Zing79]

Like I said.....I give answers, but people don't always like them.

Honest question:
How is this not throwing out the baby with bath water?

In every other forum if users act up the ban hammer comes out. But in this instance those that are rude win out.

No offense, but you're literally teaching people the worst lesson ever - that if you're rude enough you win.

Again - you're free to do as you please but at least know what you're doing.

 

[Webhead2006]

well hopefully we hear some good names going up for supes once casting starts up. As its been reported should happen next month.

 

[C. Lee]

Honest question:
How is this not throwing out the baby with bath water?

Because you still have a place to talk about him.

In every other forum if users act up the ban hammer comes out. But in this instance those that are rude win out.

If you think that thier getting warned, infracted, probated, and banned is winning (and just for the record, I DO warn, infract, probate, and ban anyone and everyone that breaks the rules)...then I don't really know too much else to say.

No offense, but you're literally teaching people the worst lesson ever - that if you're rude enough you win.

No, actually I'm teaching them that if you're rude (and I see it)...you will be punished. If you're rude...I will warn you, I will infract you, I will probate you, or I will ban you. You get no rewards from me for bad behavior.

Again - you're free to do as you please but at least know what you're doing.

I know what I'm doing.

 

[avidreader]

he's never going to flat out say "i dont want to play the part". that would make a lot of people mad and he knows that it would offend people. you talk about half truths? where does he say that he wouldnt want to put on the sr suit? he doesnt specifically say the sr suit. the question was "how do you feel about putting the suit on" and he said "terrified" i even said in the superman movie forums how if the new movie was about an established superman, than the wb/nolan/snyder could in fact want welling to portray their superman, especially since they have a following, and i was shot down immediately there. i only believed that if they were going for an established superman, but unfortunately i think they're going for a beginning/origin story which would definitely decrease the odds even more of him portraying superman. there are too many unknowns on both sides of the coin. you may want to think that he wants to portray superman, but it seems that that's only because he hasn't outright said it. just because he hasn't outright said it, doesnt mean his opinion changed. but i think the fact that if it was a superman story from the beginning, he wouldnt have taken the role.

I really dont want to get involved in this argument, but I did feel inclined to point something out in your post that like Bruce said, you have taken a comment by Tom out of context.

The reason why Tom said he wouldnt have taken the part if it had been a Superman show, was because he knew that that particular role had been portrayed on numerous occasions, and not necessarily on a successful level, but when he heard that it was a different take on the character he believed that this was something that could attract a bigger and more successful audience. In other words he was using some business sense rather than just accepting a role for the sake of it.

It had nothing to do with him not wanting to play the role of Superman, which is what you have concluded by his comment.

 

[Serene]

The point is that in order to keep the Welling Haters in check, we have to ban any mention of Welling in the Superman Casting threads. This equates to keeping any Welling supporters/fans out of those threads too. But somehow allowances are made for other actors?

SV/Welling fans kept in their place and out of site - Haters win.

It's not about seriously thinking Welling will get this role, it's about him and his supporters getting the same exposure and treatment as any other actor whose name has been so associated with this movie role.

Okay, I'm done.

Do what thou wilt.
-A. Crowley.

 

[epc11223]

I really dont want to get involved in this argument, but I did feel inclined to point something out in your post that like Bruce said, you have taken a comment by Tom out of context.

The reason why Tom said he wouldnt have taken the part if it had been a Superman show, was because he knew that that particular role had been portrayed on numerous occasions, and not necessarily on a successful level, but when he heard that it was a different take on the character he believed that this was something that could attract a bigger and more successful audience. In other words he was using some business sense rather than just accepting a role for the sake of it.

It had nothing to do with him not wanting to play the role of Superman, which is what you have concluded by his comment.

so then you could still say the same thing holds true today. while what you say is true, he feels that portraying superman has been done to death, why in the world would he want to take on the part now? my main point is, i've always gotten the impression that he doesn't want to portray superman because he doesnt find the character interesting or typecast or whatever his reasons are. he finds clarks journey to becoming superman interesting and that once that story is over, he'll be content. he has portrayed clark kent for the past ten years, so he could have an affection for that character, but i doubt his feelings would change for the character of superman. he has been superman for the past four years or so, he just hasn't had the suit on. the show has done just about every single major superman villain, they have done a love story with lois lane, he's left behind lana, etc. he's even been in the jla.

well not officially but i'm just saying they've done the jla. if they do a spin off with the jla, i dont think he'd be in it. it would probably center around the green arrow. the producers have recently stated that as of now they have no plans for future smallville shows/movies or a season 11. they really feel that this is it. now depending on what the nolan/snyder movie really is about, i've said that if it's not an origin, welling could have a better chance of getting the part than if it were an origin film thats based off of birthright. only time will tell. i've never said welling has no chance of being superman in the new film. yes he has a bit of a following, but it's not as much as people on this board would think. in the recent ew poll, yes he's in the lead with 30 percent, but that means there is 70% of the votes not going to welling. so someone who looks at statistics would look at that. nolan could absolutely adore welling, but that still doesnt mean welling would take the roll. yes one of the reasons for him not taking on the part in the beginning was because he feels the character of superman has been done to death, if the movie is based off of an origin that sounds eerily similar to smallville, why wouldn't he think that's done to death? i mean, he's done that for the past ten years.

we really have no clue if he said that the character of superman has been done before just so he could save face. he also said in the interview that he's seen the superman suit and it looks good. so i don't think he cares what the neckline looks like or if it's the sr suit. i think bruce in one of his responses said he was upset that it was the superman returns suit, but thats besides the point. in the comic con interview he's said how he's open to the idea of playing superman but that doesnt really sound like much conviction. sounds like if the price was right, he would do it, but the wb is either gonna go for an unknown or someone who has top billing. by top billing i mean like a brad pitt.

however, i think they wouldn't want to pay that much money to someone like brad pitt so they would go more for an unknown. nolan likes to do what donner did for superman 1. have an unknown and surround them with huge actors. singer tried to do that as well with kevin spacey, but sr didn't have any kind of action, which is why that movie ultimately failed. welling also says how it's alot more complicated than fans make it out to be, which we really dont know if he's trying to save face or not. there are so many things that the fans dont know about behind the scenes. but to me, it appears that welling really has no desire to play superman. i could be wrong, i'm not saying i'm a 100 percent right as we really can't prove this. this really is all speculation, but again, if he thought playing superman has been done to death, and he's already done every single superman thing on smallville, why would he want to play the part of superman in a movie, unless for money? if you do it for money, that doesn't necessarily mean that you're doing it because you want to do it, you're doing it because it's a job.

 

[Wargod]

My bad on the Brasil thing, I was told it was huge a while ago by a Brasilian friend of mine. But this doesn't change the fact that it has a huge following worldwide. And like I said in the other post, a success isn't always measured by ratings, you have to take into account the dvds and especially downloading (mostly illegal).
Be careful when you say it's "fact" that it wasn't his absence that cause the faillure of the movie. You can't REALLY say it was or wasn't for sure.
I never said Tom not being it, was the sole cause of the faillure. I agree with everything you said about SR but let's face it, a Superman movie depends alot on who is Superman.
It's the difference between someone that makes you believe and someone that is just...a man in the suit.
Which is why Christopher Reeve made us (most of us anyway) believe.
Why so many of us believe in Tom. And why many others like me see George Reeves, Dean Cain and Brandon Routh as just men in suits.
Warner thought that to make a successful Superman movie they just needed to steal a director from a successful Marvel franchise and cast a Reeve look-a-like and tell him to mimick Reeve and the public would buy it.
Not so, because what made Chris so special wasn't just the way he looked or his face but the way he portrayed it.
He was really commanding as Superman but was really human in his portrayal.
I can tell you right now, you make the most kick ass movie ever. Wouldn't mean anything if the people don't believe or relate to it's Superman.
They don't even have to be fans who want Tom. There are many who aren't fans of Tom who didn't relate to Brandon.
We can make an experience of they putting Jon Hamm in the suit and we will all see the result. Hopefully it won't happen as I don't want that to happen even to prove you wrong on that theory. I would rather have Brandon back...lol
If Tom had been cast in SR, yes the movie would probably still sucked, the suit would still be horrendous (even though it would look better on him) and the direction atrocious but at least many of us would believe in that Superman. Many of us would've seen the movie countless times to support it and especially buy it on dvd/blu ray (an area where the movie flopped even harder than on box office) and make a really good profit for Warner Bros.
Anyway thanks for the info on Brasil. Hope all is well there, I have a fondness for your country and made really good friends there. :0)

Bruce; about Smallville success in Brazil: What happened is that the first 4 seasons were broadcast in SBT (the number 2 Tv channel in Brazil), but as series progressed the ratings dropped and it is no longer shown in “public TV”. In Cable it is broadcast by Warner Channel every Wednesday night, but it isn’t the one with bigger ratings.
I do agree with you that ratings aren’t the best way to measure how successful a tv show is, but using the internet we can measure the fan base. And what Internet shows is that Smallville has a loyal fan base, but is not huge. Every year there are many researches in order to determine “the most pirated tv shows” and “the most popular shows in the world” and Smallville isn’t in the top 10 of both.
And I can say for a fact that his absence wasn’t the cause of SR failure. The general public thought that the movie lacked action scenes and was boring.
One thing that we, Superman and Smallville fans, have to remember is that we are a minority. Nowadays Superman is seen as an outdated hero and although, Smallville modernized many aspects of your hero, the show doesn’t generate a great buzz, there are many shows that are much more watched, much more pirated and much more discussed.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a Smallville fan, and I watch it since day 1, but the hard fact is that Smallville is not relevant to the general public.
About Welling, another sad fact is that Superman fans don’t have a consensus about how and who should portray our hero. Look at Superhero Hype and you will see a divided fan base. Some believe that Welling is the ultimate Superman, some believe that Routh is the true successor of Chris Reeve, and some believe that both are not right for the part.
For each Tom Welling fan, there is a Tom Welling hater
Because of this, I’m sure that no matter who were Superman in SR the financial result would have been the same.
P.S.: Grandes abraços aos irmãos portugueses!!!

 

[Gmanofsteel]

Not that it matters, but Entertainment Weekly has posted a new poll of who should play Superman. It's among Jon Hamm, Brandon Routh, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Matthew Bomer, Henry Cavill, and Tom Welling. Needless to say, Welling is winning!

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/10/08/vote-for-the-new-superman/

voted, Welling has a 49% vote

 

[epc11223]

i would also like to make it a point that i am no welling hater. even though i haven't always agreed with some of the directions they've taken their characters, i still have every season and thoroughly enjoy watching them. i loved tonights episode of supergirl and can't wait for next weeks episode. next week should be pretty great! but as much as i enjoy smallville and welling's portrayal of clark, i'm not going to be blind to the fact that it appears that welling really doesn't want to play the part of superman. that's his right to want to or not to want to play a part and i'm sure he's not going to be losing any sleep, nor will i if he doesnt want the part. this whole thing has been kind of a silly debate, as no one will ever win. i say just enjoy smallville, but don't get your hopes up for him to be the next superman in the movie. especially if it's an origin. if it weren't an origin, i would think he has some chance, but again it's slim if that. if i had my way, there'd be a metropolis show, jla movie, and a superman movie. a different actor portraying superman in the corresponding shows. welling, mangiello, and routh would be my top three choices. but that's just me.

 

[epc11223]

Bruce; about Smallville success in Brazil: What happened is that the first 4 seasons were broadcast in SBT (the number 2 Tv channel in Brazil), but as series progressed the ratings dropped and it is no longer shown in “public TV”. In Cable it is broadcast by Warner Channel every Wednesday night, but it isn’t the one with bigger ratings.
I do agree with you that ratings aren’t the best way to measure how successful a tv show is, but using the internet we can measure the fan base. And what Internet shows is that Smallville has a loyal fan base, but is not huge. Every year there are many researches in order to determine “the most pirated tv shows” and “the most popular shows in the world” and Smallville isn’t in the top 10 of both.
And I can say for a fact that his absence wasn’t the cause of SR failure. The general public thought that the movie lacked action scenes and was boring.
One thing that we, Superman and Smallville fans, have to remember is that we are a minority. Nowadays Superman is seen as an outdated hero and although, Smallville modernized many aspects of your hero, the show doesn’t generate a great buzz, there are many shows that are much more watched, much more pirated and much more discussed.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a Smallville fan, and I watch it since day 1, but the hard fact is that Smallville is not relevant to the general public.
About Welling, another sad fact is that Superman fans don’t have a consensus about how and who should portray our hero. Look at Superhero Hype and you will see a divided fan base. Some believe that Welling is the ultimate Superman, some believe that Routh is the true successor of Chris Reeve, and some believe that both are not right for the part.
For each Tom Welling fan, there is a Tom Welling hater
Because of this, I’m sure that no matter who were Superman in SR the financial result would have been the same.
P.S.: Grandes abraços aos irmãos portugueses!!!

yes, absolutely agree with this.

 

[Webhead2006]

i could see them trying for an unknown again or a semi known. But i could also see them try going for someone like a Ryan reynold who is popular and draws the geek crowd in and will also get non geeks to come too.

 

[epc11223]

i could see them trying for an unknown again or a semi known. But i could also see them try going for someone like a Ryan reynold who is popular and draws the geek crowd in and will also get non geeks to come too.

yea, i'm not sure who's a semi big actor like ryan reynolds. i think jon hamm is starting to become a bigger name, but if its an origin film, he'd definitely be too old. what i find curious about that ew poll is that not too many of the comments are pro welling. i'd say that it's pretty mixed, which kind of tells me that the welling supporters just keep voting for him to keep him at the top. yea he's getting comments, but i read a ton of pro routh and some for the other choices.

 

[Webhead2006]

well i wouldnt bother much with those polls on websites like ew or supermanhomepage and all that. We dont know how many times someone is voting for or against someone and it doesnt really gaudge all the fanbase out there.

Yea i dont know who would be a semi know/big like RR status is presently that would work for superman. But i cant think of any names off the top of my head. But i am sure wb is going to look at first someone like RR/jon hamm type first. See if they go for the role, then if not go for casting calls and go test bunch of unkowns/semi known tv-film actors and all that.

Also epc not to sound rude or anything when you do your long post its easier to read if you break up the post every 4-5 setences and do paragraph breaks. Though i know i am not the best on this either lol at times.

 

[epc11223]

well i wouldnt bother much with those polls on websites like ew or supermanhomepage and all that. We dont know how many times someone is voting for or against someone and it doesnt really gaudge all the fanbase out there.

Yea i dont know who would be a semi know/big like RR status is presently that would work for superman. But i cant think of any names off the top of my head. But i am sure wb is going to look at first someone like RR/jon hamm type first. See if they go for the role, then if not go for casting calls and go test bunch of unkowns/semi known tv-film actors and all that.

Also epc not to sound rude or anything when you do your long post its easier to read if you break up the post every 4-5 setences and do paragraph breaks. Though i know i am not the best on this either lol at times.

yea, i kind of didnt realize how much i was writing at the time. i thought afterwards "i really should have broken that up". i think i'll edit it. i like the way you think! lol

 

[Webhead2006]

no problem man i was just trying to help you out, so you dont get *****ed at with wall of post and all that. i do think they would want someone big like RR/hamm but most big names have passed on supes in the past. So it could happen again. OR they will do many casting calls for unknown/sem known/known actors. And break it up in stages an we see them break it down and then like for spidey/cap casting early this yr we get a solid list of like 10-15 names ranging from unknown-known and then it is broken down to top 3-5 and all that. Or it could go like gl casting did and we have list of names of top choices and then a surprise name pops in at the end and takes the role.

 

[epc11223]

yea, it should get interesting/frustrating for us superman fans. i'd like them to cast someone that will unite the superman fans, instead of tear them into different camps. i know, fat chance lol. but it's a pain having a welling camp, routh camp, cavill/bomer camp, hamm camp, mangiello, unknown actor camp, etc. It's pretty annoying. superman should be about bringing fans together, not tearing them apart

 

[Webhead2006]

yea casting for clark/supes has been the hard thing ever since chris reeve and all that. Hopefully they do land a solid cast this time.

 

[epc11223]

yea, well i'm gonna get going. have a good night.

 

[Zing79]

Because you still have a place to talk about him.
If you think that thier getting warned, infracted, probated, and banned is winning (and just for the record, I DO warn, infract, probate, and ban anyone and everyone that breaks the rules)...then I don't really know too much else to say.

No, actually I'm teaching them that if you're rude (and I see it)...you will be punished. If you're rude...I will warn you, I will infract you, I will probate you, or I will ban you. You get no rewards from me for bad behavior.


I know what I'm doing.

Disclaimer: I honest to god do not want to equate this but the logic is the same...

"you still have a place" sounds a lot like sit in the back of the bus.

Again. Not even remotely as oppressive. But please remember that this is insulting to a lot of people.

I've never been banned, probated, or warned, but if I so much as respectfully mention Wellings name in a forum about who should be cast, all of the above might happen.

 

[Gmanofsteel]

I really dont even go here unless its to visit the Smallville section. I use to be all over the Superman area until it filled up with so many haters that having discussions was more like giving people the okay to insult me because of my former SN (Tomwelling4sups). Some time after that the Tom Welling ban cam to be. The arrogance over in that forum is sickening. After Smallville ends, I doubt I'll be around here as often.

 

[SrsBsns]

I really dont even go here unless its to visit the Smallville section. I use to be all over the Superman area until it filled up with so many haters that having discussions was more like giving people the okay to insult me because of my former SN (Tomwelling4sups). Some time after that the Tom Welling ban cam to be. The arrogance over in that forum is sickening. After Smallville ends, I doubt I'll be around here as often.

Dude, you're Tomwelling4sups? I've always wondered how much **** you used to get for that name

 

[Gianakin_]

voted, Welling has a 49% vote

51.8 now. They really have Levitt there, jeez!

 

[Webhead2006]

well those names will probably not mean anything from that poll. Heck we have no clue what guys wb will want, who nolan would want, and then who snyder will want. It will probably end up with a few folks from each guys like. Then they compromise and settle on a suitable pick.

 

[KalKai]

that poll kind of proves my point. he may be in the lead with having 30%, but that means that theres 70% of the people voting who don't want him as superman. that would probably be the general audience to comic book fans ratio that the creators of the movie go by. yes smallville has a following, but it doesn't outweigh the general audience who don't really care who portrays superman, as long as there's fighting/action/good story.

Leading with 56% of the vote soz.

Haha.