Here We Go Again Part 3: New Welling As Superman Rumors?

[al35077]

Welling, Welling, Welling.


To C.Lee that's dumb unless your rich to buy and watch something so you can make fun of others....sigh

That was sarcasm aimed at me for a thoughtless comment I made.

 

[RakuMon]

He has also said & comment several times that he went to meet the then director of what turned into Superman Returns, Brett Ratner, at his home in LA.
Had he not even been remotely interested in the role, telling him a simple "No thank you" over the phone would have been the correct thing to do & would have saved him a flight from Vancouver to LA.

Also theres the fact that more recently ie within the last month, Tom Welling said he has & I quote "Never been against it."

/argument

More than that, I believe he even tested for the role. Remember in Season Three when Tom got a really short haircut out of the blue? I believe that's when he tested for one of the early iterations of the movie that eventually turned into SR.

There's also the cryptic message he gave at the 2004 MTV awards.

But why re-litigate what went down five, six years ago? It's a good thing he didn't get the role back then.

 

[Webhead2006]

Totally tom may have been less open to it around the early yrs. But things have changed more recently and all that. Like others it would be fun to see tom do the role in the film now. But likely wont be the case if wb wants everything different and new like snyder has said.

 

[Mike22]

He has also said & comment several times that he went to meet the then director of what turned into Superman Returns, Brett Ratner, at his home in LA.
Had he not even been remotely interested in the role, telling him a simple "No thank you" over the phone would have been the correct thing to do & would have saved him a flight from Vancouver to LA.

Also theres the fact that more recently ie within the last month, Tom Welling said he has & I quote "Never been against it."

/argument

Don't waste your breath B, I'm tellin' ya, Mostpowerful has a thing for Routh that goes beyond worldly explanation, thats why I've left her alone, just let her live in peace with her fantasies about Routh. It doesn't matter that Welling said he's never been against it, she'll see what she wants to see, and completely ignore his most current statement that any rational human being would argue to be more relevant to the discussion at hand, rather than a radio interview from years ago when he never though the show would last as long as it has.

 

[stargazer]

Don't waste your breath B, I'm tellin' ya, Mostpowerful has a thing for Routh that goes beyond worldly explanation, thats why I've left her alone, just let her live in peace with her fantasies about Routh. It doesn't matter that Welling said he's never been against it, she'll see what she wants to see, and completely ignore his most current statement that any rational human being would argue to be more relevant to the discussion at hand, rather than a radio interview from years ago when he never though the show would last as long as it has.

That was not necessary, Mike. Why do you have to get personal? If I have a thing for Routh, then you have a thing with Welling's body proportions.. please stop.

We're just fans

 

[Mike22]

That was not necessary, Mike. Why do you have to get personal? If I have a thing for Routh, then you have a thing with Welling's body proportions.. please stop.

We're just fans

LOL, that's not personal in any way, just calling it how I see it. Your obsession with Routh is something known to pretty much every poster here and at the Superman section. If you saw it as an insult than you need to reevaluate how you come off when ever you post something because lady, you can sound so very very obsessed, to a point where it's just plain creepy. And your participation in this thread is not exactly one of positive intentions, that's why I responded.

Now, let me try to explain something to you in regard to your comment about Wellings proportions because you seem to have tremendous difficulties comprehending this.

1. I am an artist. Yes Stargazer, that means that I draw a lot.

Let's just take a moment to let that sink it. Repeating it a few times helps you understand the concept of it all.
Artists draw.
Artists draw.

Alright, now over to the next stage:

2. In order that I get the drawing right and as realistic as possible, which has always been my preferred style, I have to study the object I'm trying to draw to get as many details as I possibly can to make the drawing as authentic and accurate as my abilities within this field will allow me to do.
3. We've never seen Welling wearing the suit so it was a great challenge to draw him as superman. Which again, for the accuracy of it all, to study his physical proportions, then sketch the desired pose, add the suit, and making it look like there's spandex over it.

4. After years of drawing, one tends to develop an eye for details, very quickly recognising things that others fail to see. Not all body types are appropriate for Superman, people have shown time after time that they just don't understand this, hence the repetition that you tend to misunderstand.
Welling is a big guy, bigger than the average Joe, I always commented that the actor chosen for Superman should have similar physical proportions to seem as imposing as possible when wearing the suit.

Now, the process of drawing can be a very complicated one I don't really expect you to understand due to the ignorant comments you usually make about this, but you should have enough reason to refrain from making idiotic comments about things you have zero knowledge about.
Because I have about 50 drawings in the Welling manips thread to prove that what I say is true, and all you have are countless posts spamming every thread there is with comments about how you loved Rouths demeanor and presence in the movie as well as a link providing annoyed members with the latest developments in everything concerning the guy. If he ever did a small time radio interview in a remote small town that no one ever heard about, you'd be come on here two hours later and provide people a link to that interview. Once again, not an insult, just the truth.

 

[Donut]

Just let it go Mike & MostPowerful

 

[Matt]

MostPowerful. Leave this thread and don't come back. At this point you're just trolling. This is the Smallville forum. They can talk about Welling until their heart's content. You want to talk about Routh? Go to his thread in the Superman forum. This is your only warning.

 

[epc11223]

It won't let you vote twice from the same computer. So theyd have to drive to the library or something. And it's unlikely that that many people would go to all that trouble.

i apologize for taking so long to respond back, i've had a pretty busy weekend. but i voted on that poll a couple of times and didn't have to go to the library. you can clear the history or go to a different browser to vote more than once. but eh, no biggie. i'm glad welling won, but to me, it still doesnt prove that the general audience would really care, or that welling would take the roll if it were offered. i could be wrong, i dont know lol. all this stuff can't be proven

 

[epc11223]

Actually, this is a reason you can cast Welling as Supes.

-If the general audience doesn't know who he is. Then their is no conflict if the story is different than Smallville.

-I am sure their is a good segment of the general audience that may have heard that TW played Superman on a tv show. Again, their is no conflict if the story is different and the good news is that they associate TW with Superman.

-You get the upside of all of the Smallville fans who will go to see the movie. Yes, they may be upset if none of the Smallville cast or background is used. But, will be excited to see TW as Superman.

-The only negative would be the other Supes fans who dislike TW. They will complain. But, in the end will probably go see the movie. And if its good they will see it again. And like big Smallville fans. They are not a huge part of the general audience.


I will use my nephew and his friends (all 23yrs old) as an example. They are not fanboys. They would see Superman if ,like Dark Knight, they heard it was a good movie. If you asked them about TW. They would probably just say he plays Supes on the tv show. Ask them about anything else from the show and they will not know it...Also, these are the same guys who were annoyed a bit by Superman Returns. Why make a "sequel" to a 30yr old movie that most of them hadn't seen. Yes, they could figure it out. It just made no sense. And those who awere familiar with Superman. Were familiar with the post 1985 reboot. (ie-Lex as Corporate exec) from the Animated show, Lois & Clark and yes..Smallville.

like my last post, i apologize for taking awhile to respond. in another thread i made the case for welling getting the part, because he had a built in fan base but that was before there was a chance that it would be an origin film. you definitely make a point that most of the general audience doesnt care and the welling fans would be happy, but like you said, it might get the non welling fans aggravated. while welling has a fantatical fan base, i'm not sure if it outweights those who really don't like him and they definitely don't outweigh the general audience. but i can definitely see what you're saying. but again, even if he was offered the role, i'm not so sure he would even want it. he's played clark kent for ten years and the original reason why he didn't want to take on the part of superman in a superman show was because he felt that that story has been done before.

lets say that it's an origin film. he's already done the origin in smallville for the past ten years. also, lets say it's for a seasoned superman. well, he may not have been wearing the tights the past couple of seasons, but he's gone up against lex, toy man, myxptlik, doomsday, metallo, bizarro, and now darkside. if he didnt care about superman before, i don't see why he would want to now. im not saying i know how he feels, but that was always the impression i got. if he does want it and gets it, great, because i have always loved smallville and absolutely can't wait for friday! epic! i'm not, nor have ever been a welling basher, but i just dont think he wants or will get the part in the new film.

 

[epc11223]

all i'm saying is just because he says now that he's open to it, doesnt mean he really wants it. he could just be trying to play politics or leave his options open, and he's not going to come right out and bash smallville. there's grasping at straws and then there's looking at the deeper meaning behind things and not just taking things at face value. he might have been interested in the movies way back when if the price is right. but if the price is right, that doesn't necessarily mean he has an affinity for superman, which was my original point. we don't know what went down during those conversations. allz we know is that nothing can be proven between both sides. but it's a discussion, isn't it? we also don't know if he was superboy in smallville and then turned it turned into a full on superman show, how long that show would have ran. i think it'd be pretty cool if it started out as him not in the suit, then he goes to the legion with the suit where he learns how to be superman. i thought geoff johns version of superboy in the new secret origins was done well. but everyone's entitled to their opinions. if anyone truly feels that tom welling loves superman and believes that he actually wants to be superman, than you're entitled to feel that way.

personally, i think it's a pay check and a right now it's a way to get into the industry. he's done the acting, and now he's doing directing and producing. i think he's surprised that smallville lasted this long, and when he says that "he's open to the idea" it's probably because he may not see a future in getting another part and is already typecast as superman. thats why he's trying to do more things behind the camera. you have people who say that you dont have to like a part to take on the roll, which is actually my point. there are other people like joe mangiello who grew up watching comics and wants the role. i'm not saying he would make the best superman, or is tops to get it, i'm just saying he seems to want the role and is campaigning for the part. you hear actors who actually campaign for parts because they have a love for the character, and tom welling just seems like someone who cares about clark kent, but never seemed interested in taking on superman. that's not to say he would be bad at it, but i think if he did campaign for it, it would help peoples case that he wants the part.

 

[epc11223]

LOL, that's not personal in any way, just calling it how I see it. Your obsession with Routh is something known to pretty much every poster here and at the Superman section. If you saw it as an insult than you need to reevaluate how you come off when ever you post something because lady, you can sound so very very obsessed, to a point where it's just plain creepy. And your participation in this thread is not exactly one of positive intentions, that's why I responded.

Now, let me try to explain something to you in regard to your comment about Wellings proportions because you seem to have tremendous difficulties comprehending this.

1. I am an artist. Yes Stargazer, that means that I draw a lot.

Let's just take a moment to let that sink it. Repeating it a few times helps you understand the concept of it all.
Artists draw.
Artists draw.

Alright, now over to the next stage:

2. In order that I get the drawing right and as realistic as possible, which has always been my preferred style, I have to study the object I'm trying to draw to get as many details as I possibly can to make the drawing as authentic and accurate as my abilities within this field will allow me to do.
3. We've never seen Welling wearing the suit so it was a great challenge to draw him as superman. Which again, for the accuracy of it all, to study his physical proportions, then sketch the desired pose, add the suit, and making it look like there's spandex over it.

4. After years of drawing, one tends to develop an eye for details, very quickly recognising things that others fail to see. Not all body types are appropriate for Superman, people have shown time after time that they just don't understand this, hence the repetition that you tend to misunderstand.
Welling is a big guy, bigger than the average Joe, I always commented that the actor chosen for Superman should have similar physical proportions to seem as imposing as possible when wearing the suit.

Now, the process of drawing can be a very complicated one I don't really expect you to understand due to the ignorant comments you usually make about this, but you should have enough reason to refrain from making idiotic comments about things you have zero knowledge about.
Because I have about 50 drawings in the Welling manips thread to prove that what I say is true, and all you have are countless posts spamming every thread there is with comments about how you loved Rouths demeanor and presence in the movie as well as a link providing annoyed members with the latest developments in everything concerning the guy. If he ever did a small time radio interview in a remote small town that no one ever heard about, you'd be come on here two hours later and provide people a link to that interview. Once again, not an insult, just the truth.

thanks for letting us know a little bit about your process. i have always loved your artwork. man, you truly are talented. i save all your stuff to my computer! just out of curiousity, are you going to be coming out with anything new? i feel like it's been ages seeing something new. i think you said awhile ago that you were starting a new job? well, hope it's going good! but yea, miss seeing something new awesome stuff!

 

[Gmanofsteel]

Yed, we def need some new Mike manips!!!!

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

I am almost afraid to post anything in the Smallville forums because of my Username alone. Would I love it if Routh were cast once again for the new Superman movie? Absolutely! Would I be disappointed if Welling were cast? HELL NO! I think that there is a preconceived notion that if you are a "Routh lover", then that automatically makes you a "Welling hater", which could not be further from the truth. At least for me, that is. There are some who actually enjoyed Routh's performance as Superman, and LOVE Wellings take on the character as well. In my own mind, I know that it's unrealistic to believe that Routh will return, and at this point in the game, it's reasonable to believe that Welling has a MUCH better shot at donning the tights than Routh does. Just because I like Routh, and he is my first choice to play Supes, doesn't mean I don't like Welling. Just know that there are people out there who support Routh and Welling equally.

 

[Karelia]

I may not be a big fan of Routh, but I definitely don't hate him. He actually seems like a nice guy. I wasn't a fan of SR, but that wasn't his fault. If he got casted again, I'd still see it. I'm not going to see it just because of Routh/Welling/Hamm/Whoever. I'm seeing it because it's Superman. And I'm sure they'll try and pick the best actor for the part.

-Honestly, I'm just happy we're getting a new Superman movie. Even more happy Zack Snyder is directing, he was the one guy on the list I thought would make an awesome Superman film. I am definitely hoping Welling gets the part, even though I know the chances are very slim.

 

[SrsBsns]

I may not be a big fan of Routh, but I definitely don't hate him. He actually seems like a nice guy. I wasn't a fan of SR, but that wasn't his fault. If he got casted again, I'd still see it. I'm not going to see it just because of Routh/Welling/Hamm/Whoever. I'm seeing it because it's Superman. And I'm sure they'll try and pick the best actor for the part.

-Honestly, I'm just happy we're getting a new Superman movie. Even more happy Zack Snyder is directing, he was the one guy on the list I thought would make an awesome Superman film. I am definitely hoping Welling gets the part, even though I know the chances are very slim.

THIS. THIS THIS THIS.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

Welling hasn't been in the running for Superman since the early Ratner days, about 7 years ago.

Brian and Kelly just confirmed that the new Snyderman movie will NOT be a continuation of Smallvillle.

So I would assume you want Tom Welling to play Clark/Superman in this with a different cast in a different verse not connected with SV?

 

[triplet]

Welling hasn't been in the running for Superman since the early Ratner days, about 7 years ago.

Brian and Kelly just confirmed that the new Snyderman movie will NOT be a continuation of Smallvillle.

So I would assume you want Tom Welling to play Clark/Superman in this with a different cast in a different verse not connected with SV?

I would imagine that is how it would work, if Tom were cast.

Personally, I'm not tied to the Smallville continuity: I just want a good story with villains who are credible threats to Superman.

If Tom's their man, great.

If someone else is, then all I ask is he be physically imposing and have the right look (square jaw and a steely gaze).

 

[C. Lee]

That was sarcasm aimed at me for a thoughtless comment I made.

Too bad RAMORE can't figure that out.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea we will likely see no one assoicated as clark be clark now. Also saw article that had snyder saying zod as villain might not be true. I hope they don't do zod. Really want to see metallo oe brainiac.

 

[Gmanofsteel]

Welling hasn't been in the running for Superman since the early Ratner days, about 7 years ago.

Brian and Kelly just confirmed that the new Snyderman movie will NOT be a continuation of Smallvillle.

So I would assume you want Tom Welling to play Clark/Superman in this with a different cast in a different verse not connected with SV?

They said there is currently no plan to do a Smallville related movie, they never said that Snyder's movie won't be related to Smallville. Gotta pay attention to the details.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well I still say the new film needs to be its own thing. Sure a nod or two to past superman stuff is cool. But it needs to make its own mark to set it apart. I do want to see a new take on the story. A new look, feel, tone, and everything else cast/theme song and all. Its time to do something different. We don't need to land into the same mess/problems singer did with his film.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

They said there is currently no plan to do a Smallville related movie, they never said that Snyder's movie won't be related to Smallville. Gotta pay attention to the details.

It's the same thing.

Snyder's movie IS the Superman movie at production for Warners, and Brain and Kelly confirmed there's no plan for a Smallville related film.

So what's the difference?

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

They said there is currently no plan to do a Smallville related movie, they never said that Snyder's movie won't be related to Smallville. Gotta pay attention to the details.

Exactly. There's always a need to distort quotes.
Plus, I don't know why people always talk about the Smallville continuity, like I said who knows if there will still be such a thing as a Smallville continuity by the time the series ends ?
They said they're realigning everything in terms of continuity (that's why Smallville's Jimmy was killed and we saw his little brother who is the Jimmy from the comics) to the comics and the series can end with a huge mindwipe so that those that know Clark's identity will forget it.
If so, Tom's chances to be considered for the movie will be even bigger.
In other news, Snyder has just confirmed that Zod as the villain is JUST A RUMOR.

 

[Webhead2006]

i hope they dont do zod. want metallo or brainiac.