Here's what The Punisher 2 needs to do to be successful.

[The Red Hood]

1-Get away from this campy dark humor bull**** from Ennis's original run on the title. It was forced and distracting in the film.

2-Get a solid writer who will make us care about Frank Castle, not just someone who can give us action set pieces and unique kills. This is a movie, not a ****ing video game.

3-The title needs to be The Punisher: Circle of Blood. Keep the number out of the title. This will allow the film to stand on its own and entice new viewers to go see it.

4-The film needs to adapt Circle of Blood while updating some of the concepts. But outside of the updating, the movie needs to be an almost flawless adaptation of that mini. It was a great story and began right in the middle of the action. In fact, the last film should've been CoB, and it would have been a blockbuster hit. We'd be seeing the sequel sometime this summer.

5-Upgrade from the t-shirt look. Using the financiers from CoB offers the opportunity for a kevlar suit that doesn't look in any way superheroish, but is functional and badass. I'm thinking of Jim Lee's Punisher from the original War Journal.

6-No love interests for Frank, no lame sequences involving him doing things like saving lives or wasting his time on jaywalkers. Stick to the character that was there at the beginning (CoB, not the Amazing Spider-Man issues) and put some of the MAX Ennis Punisher in for good measure.

'Hood

 

[Brendan]

I will make some dissagreements with you. Keep the t-shirt look, I don't want to see the Punisher walking around on film in his old school jump suit. As for saving people, I have no idea. I'm pretty sure they had none of that already in the first film, we still do need to see a more human side to Frank while at the same time watching him be a cold blooded mass murdering vigilante. As it has been said before, he is the kind of guy who would run into a burning building to save a baby, but no one wants to see Frank save some damsel in distress at the climax of the film.

What it does need is New York as a setting, Jigsaw as the main antagonist and we need to see some villians that display real scumbag nature. I want to see him kill people who truely deserve to die, you never got a sense of that with the villians in the first film. There is also lots of great moments in CoB that they can adapt on film. I don't want to see them rip Ennis off too much but there are some small things they can borrow from him that would be cool. Especially his style of story structure. A non-linear plot could also be cool.

Another thing that the film will need is a good conflict. Some thing needs to be at stake for the Punisher at the end of the film. Obviously no love interests so they'll have to be original some how. And finally it needs a good theme of vigilantism, make us question our own moral values. If there are real evil people in this world that get away with real awful **** then maybe what the Punisher does is right.

 

[Walks Unseen]

1-Get away from this campy dark humor bull**** from Ennis's original run on the title. It was forced and distracting in the film.

2-Get a solid writer who will make us care about Frank Castle, not just someone who can give us action set pieces and unique kills. This is a movie, not a ****ing video game.

3-The title needs to be The Punisher: Circle of Blood. Keep the number out of the title. This will allow the film to stand on its own and entice new viewers to go see it.

4-The film needs to adapt Circle of Blood while updating some of the concepts. But outside of the updating, the movie needs to be an almost flawless adaptation of that mini. It was a great story and began right in the middle of the action. In fact, the last film should've been CoB, and it would have been a blockbuster hit. We'd be seeing the sequel sometime this summer.

5-Upgrade from the t-shirt look. Using the financiers from CoB offers the opportunity for a kevlar suit that doesn't look in any way superheroish, but is functional and badass. I'm thinking of Jim Lee's Punisher from the original War Journal.

6-No love interests for Frank, no lame sequences involving him doing things like saving lives or wasting his time on jaywalkers. Stick to the character that was there at the beginning (CoB, not the Amazing Spider-Man issues) and put some of the MAX Ennis Punisher in for good measure.

'Hood

Ok, I also have disagreements with you. For one, the T-Shirt I actually thought was good, for a couple of resons: 1. It was realistic and The Punisher is all about realism, 2. If you look at The Punisher Marvel Knights covers, he is clearly wearing a t-shirt and it just looks dam cool. Secondly I don't see why it has to be called Circle of Blood. I think The Punisher: War Zone sounds better or even The Punisher: War Journal. Thirdly, first and foremost, The Punisher is about action plain and simple. If you read the books, especially Ennis's run, he is really all about action action and more action. So the action set pieces that you are refering to which you think are unnessary or something, well they need to be in the film because that is primarily what The Punisher is. If anything they needed more action set pieces in the first film. Thirdly, I can see you don't like the dark humour in the first film, well, again dark humour is The Punisher. If you read Ennis's run (especially Welcome Back Frank) you see that that is who The Punishers is, a guy who uses dark humour while killing criminals in rather nasty ways.

 

[Brendan]

Actually the type of humor that the Punisher 2 doesn't need is the type of humor with characters like Spacker Dave and Bumpo, and less campy charatcers like the Russian would be nice too.

 

[Walks Unseen]

Agreed. The humour in the first Punisher was fairly campy when it came to Bumpo and Dave. The humour in "Welcome Back, Frank" (which is the main story arc with Bumpo and Dave and the main influence for the film) had hardly any humour with Dave and Bumpo. The only bit of humor when it came to Dave was when Frank would walk into his apartment or into the apartment building and he would walk by Dave, then Frank would say "Dave", to which Dave would reply with "Spacker Dave!!". That was it really. But yeah, The Punisher 2 needs more dark humour in it.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I only disagree with #5. I don't want him walking about in a one piece rubber bat-suit with no head.

 

[TwilightPro101]

Forcing it to have a title, doesn't mean it's going to be that title. Same goes for adaptating story.

 

[The Red Hood]

Ok, I also have disagreements with you. For one, the T-Shirt I actually thought was good, for a couple of resons: 1. It was realistic and The Punisher is all about realism, 2. If you look at The Punisher Marvel Knights covers, he is clearly wearing a t-shirt and it just looks dam cool. Secondly I don't see why it has to be called Circle of Blood. I think The Punisher: War Zone sounds better or even The Punisher: War Journal. Thirdly, first and foremost, The Punisher is about action plain and simple. If you read the books, especially Ennis's run, he is really all about action action and more action. So the action set pieces that you are refering to which you think are unnessary or something, well they need to be in the film because that is primarily what The Punisher is. If anything they needed more action set pieces in the first film. Thirdly, I can see you don't like the dark humour in the first film, well, again dark humour is The Punisher. If you read Ennis's run (especially Welcome Back Frank) you see that that is who The Punishers is, a guy who uses dark humour while killing criminals in rather nasty ways.

No son, The Punisher is NOT a guy who uses dark humor while killing criminals in nasty ways. That might be what you newbie kids know as The Punisher, but I was reading the character's exploits while you were still memorizing your address. I've forgotten more stories about Frank Castle than you've read. Ennis has admitted his humorous approach was off-center and that's why he used the MAX title to get back to the real character.

You want quips with killing, go read Ennis's run on The Hitman. That's what he tried to turn Frank Castle into, and it just didn't fly. Not to mention that the Ennis run was history when they filmed The Punisher. They should've stuck with the old school 80s and 90s work, and they'd have had a blockbuster on their hands.

'Hood

 

[The Red Hood]

I only disagree with #5. I don't want him walking about in a one piece rubber bat-suit with no head.

Dammit, I never sad rubber suit, did I, boy? None of you punks can read worth a ****.

I said Castle should have a more armored suit, something that would make sense given the rep he's established between films and the heavy duty firepower he's facing as a result.

Damn misquoting bull****!

'Hood

 

[The Red Hood]

To further clarify, from my ORIGINAL POST WHICH YOU DIDN'T BOTHER TO READ:

5-Upgrade from the t-shirt look. Using the financiers from CoB offers the opportunity for a kevlar suit that doesn't look in any way superheroish, but is functional and badass. I'm thinking of Jim Lee's Punisher from the original War Journal.

'Hood

 

[SWAT]

You really like 'Circle of Blood' don't you....

 

[SuperAl]

how about if someone close to him gets murdered in the sequel he shows a bit more emotion instead of hiding in a house and waiting for them all to get killed and showing absoluting no emotion. that had to be the stupidest part of the entire movie lol. And not using popsicles to torture his enemy is a big one, i seriously dont understand the reason for that scene. Make it a rated R movie too, how can you have a movie called the Punisher and have it rated PG-13 lol

 

[SWAT]

how about if someone close to him gets murdered in the sequel he shows a bit more emotion instead of hiding in a house and waiting for them all to get killed and showing absoluting no emotion. that had to be the stupidest part of the entire movie lol. And not using popsicles to torture his enemy is a big one, i seriously dont understand the reason for that scene. Make it a rated R movie too, how can you have a movie called the Punisher and have it rated PG-13 lol

Someone close to him get murdered? Did you watch the first one? His entire family was killed! He made his best friend kill himself... So who would that be?

Popsicles? Cause it was in an earlier run of the comics...

 

[Kable24]

Make it a rated R movie too, how can you have a movie called the Punisher and have it rated PG-13 lol

The Punisher was Rated R.

 

[ObakeTora]

I hope the next one gets an x rating.

 

[Brendan]

Nobody uses X ratings anymore. They changed it to NC-17 because people kept confusing them for porno flicks. Plus movie companies usually avoid NC-17 ratings cause they don't tend to do good at all at the box office, which isn't a problem anymore for directors with R rated movies cause now they can just release unrated versions when the DVDs come out.

 

[jrd550]

Yeah the humor was weak and campy - kill it... also don't make him a good samaritan - him saving kids and stuff can't happen - he's doing his share by killing the bad guys...

 

[Rac]

"The Punisher 2" will be better received than the original "Punisher" if only because it's actually being set in NY, as opposed to Florida??

t:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...1,5379022.htmlstory?coll=la-headlines-entnews

 

[PenanceStare]

Actually, I enjoyed some of the dark humor, such as the torture scene in the early part of the film. I mean, who doesn't like popsicles.

 

[The Evil One]

Yeah.... only the location to where the film is going to based matters and is some how going to make everything better....

People seem to forget that the Punisher went to the Gulf Coast of Florida to kill the bad guys who did killed his family.

And about the dark humor... I say have less and less dark humor as each Punisher sequel becomes more and more darker until by the time of Punisher 3 or 4 all that where left with is... maybe sarcasm.

 

[marvelisawesome]

i think he should drink more....

 

[The Evil One]

The Punisher is not a character that drinks a lot. We did see Frank drink in Year One (but that took place in 1976) and only once a bluemoon these days.

 

[ShaneHelms]

i think he should drink more....

I dont see a point in this. Like stated before he drank in Year One to cope with the loss of his family which was still a very recent thing. Lets move on to where Frank replaces his drinking with the killing of Criminals. Thats his addiction.

 

[crimsonarmor]

definetly change the title from punisher 2 to something else. as for the suit, as long as it aint white boots and gloves the t-shirt thing is ok. try following the comic storylines and keep heavy weight actors like john travolta out. theres no need for him to be in there. and less of the bow and arrow techniques, more hand to hand combat, show franks military side.

 

[Roaring_Hulk!]

definetly change the title from punisher 2 to something else. as for the suit, as long as it aint white boots and gloves the t-shirt thing is ok. try following the comic storylines and keep heavy weight actors like john travolta out. theres no need for him to be in there. and less of the bow and arrow techniques, more hand to hand combat, show franks military side.

The bow and arrow thing was cool

So was the dark humor t:

And the shirt rocks