High school teacher allegedly forces female student to lap dance for male students

[The Question]

But the opposite is just as true. When a woman does lie about it, the accused man's reputation is irreparably damaged forever. Just ask Kobe Bryant or Ben Roethlisberger, both of which had rape charges dropped or dismissed.

Unfortunately, too many women do lie about things like this, and when a man's reputation is on the line, it's understandable to jump to the defense of someone who is unable to defend himself because of public perception.

Does it really happen all that often, though? And does that mitigate the harm of automatically assuming that she's lying? All that does is make it harder for abuse victims to come forward.

Also, I'm pretty sure Kobe Bryant's charges were dismissed because he's rich, not because he was innocent.

 

[The Guard]

This reminds me of the episode of The Simpsons where Homer dances for the barflies.

"You danced for hours because they made you"?

Not entirely sure why.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Does it really happen all that often, though? And does that mitigate the harm of automatically assuming that she's lying? All that does is make it harder for abuse victims to come forward.

Also, I'm pretty sure Kobe Bryant's charges were dismissed because he's rich, not because he was innocent.

No. False rape accusations are very common.

Rich people frequently get extorted by individuals like that.

 

[The Question]

No. False rape accusations are very common.

Rich people frequently get extorted by individuals like that.

How common? Where are you getting your information from?

 

[bullets]

How common? Where are you getting your information from?

I see it on the news every so often. I couldn't tell you statistics , but it does happen and makes sense that someone would try to take advantage of a wealthy person. Some girls get drunk and then wake up not remembering what they did. So they call it rape , but it turns out they were drunk and pushed themselves onto guys. I've seen that happen at parties. Some guys are smart enough to walk away , but not many.

We should never just assume she's lying though. I agree with you there. Hopefully there will be a proper investigation and the facts will come out.

 

[NickNitro]

That was my point earlier, everyone just immediately hands this teacher out to dry without getting all the facts.

I'm not saying he's in the right, if he did it he should be fired and put in jail, but you cant turn a blind eye to the fact that young girls have taken advantage of situations like this for personal gain or revenge or whatever it may be.

 

[The Question]

That was my point earlier, everyone just immediately hands this teacher out to dry without getting all the facts.

Really? Because the vast majority of the comments I've seen have been people saying the girl is probably lying.

 

[jonathancrane]

It is unwise to make judgment until all of the facts are presented. In today's world, both of the dreaded scenarios are prevalent: false accusations of rape and instances of individual(s) in a position of power committing terrible acts under the umbrella of rape. Regardless, charges such as these stain someone permanently, which reinforces the need to have all of the facts in before deciding an individual's status.

 

[NickNitro]

Really? Because the vast majority of the comments I've seen have been people saying the girl is probably lying.

I was talking about the general public outside of the Hype.

 

[The Guard]

Has anyone said "Nice" yet?

 

[Brain Damage]

'Police said they had to kick his door down because he wouldn’t let them in without a warrant.'

So they broke into his home without a warrant?

This is the part that stuck out to me. Illegal much?

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

How common? Where are you getting your information from?

They don't have a ton of statistics on it because the FBI doesn't really keep statistics of fraudulent charges. However it's an urban legend most rape cases side with the woman, in fact it's about 50/50 because rapes are hard to try and you're "innocent until proven guilty" in this country. So it doesn't matter if you did or did not do it, just whether or not it can be proven.

However they estimate it is quite common. Probably as common as a rapist declaring his own innocence. People lie. Lots of people lie. Lying is very common, that's why courts take it so seriously in the first place.

I've also read that fraudulent rape reports are on the rise, since allegations now travel faster due to Facebook, twitter and the internet driven mass media. Allegations against celebrities are a great way to extort them as well. They want you to stop going to the media about it and shut up, so usually they'll be willing to pay and in a position where they have to pay. There's also plenty of them who are in fact rapists, but I will say when you have money you don't have to walk very far to find a consensual sex partner, so it should be treated with a little skepticism in cases where the accuser has no outside evidence to reference.

 

[Erzengel]

I don't remember carrying a lot of dollar bills in high school.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

I don't remember carrying a lot of dollar bills in high school.

I did before the removed the Yoohoo and Frutopia machines.

Hm, I can't really say much on this story yet. Just seems like it could be the girl making it up. Why have they not questioned the class yet? I figure even if all the jock guys who want a piece of this girl or something lie, surely not everyone would lie. Or maybe no one will lie and she'll either be found out, or he'll be found guilty.

To be fair, a girl in my high school the year after I graduated admitted to having an affair with my favorite science teacher, so it isn't like it doesn't happen.

 

[Erzengel]

You always heard rumors of the one teacher but it was usually the year before us or something along those lines.

 

[NickNitro]

Hottest teacher in our High School was apparently sleeping with the star football player. How cliche and typical of a rumor was that?

 

[The Guard]

Gee, I wonder who started that rumor...

 

[James]

This is the part that stuck out to me. Illegal much?

It's not illegal unless they searched the place. My understanding is that an arrest warrant and a search warrant are two different things. If they had an arrest warrant then they're allowed to kick the guys door in so they can put cuffs on him and haul him away, but they're not allowed to search his house. With a search warrant they can also kick the door in, and search the house.

 

[NickNitro]

But I believe Damage was talking about the breaking in without a warrant being illegal, not the arrest.

 

[James]

But I believe Damage was talking about the breaking in without a warrant being illegal, not the arrest.

Yeah, but there's nothing in the article to suggest they didn't have an Arrest Warrant. The guy was telling them they couldn't come in because they didn't have "a warrant", which doesn't mean anything. Generally when a warrant is put out for someone's arrest, the suspect isn't made aware of it until they're already in cuffs.

 

[NickNitro]

But when anyone gets their door knocked on by the Police, be it Home/School what have you initially everyone's common sense kicks in and they ask the police if they have a warrant. I'm not saying he's not guilty I'm just saying if he said "you don't have a warrant" and the police know they didn't and broke in anyway, its against the law.

 

[James]

But when anyone gets their door knocked on by the Police, be it Home/School what have you initially everyone's common sense kicks in and they ask the police if they have a warrant. I'm not saying he's not guilty I'm just saying if he said "you don't have a warrant" and the police know they didn't and broke in anyway, its against the law.

It's not against the law if they have an arrest warrant. It's only against the law to enter the premises if they're intending to search the place and they do not have a search warrant. With an arrest warrant the police can kick down as many doors as they like to get to the suspect and it's all above board.

If it says somewhere that the police definitely did not have an arrest warrant then yeah, that's illegal. If I recall correctly the only indication that the police didn't have a warrant was the suspect telling them they couldn't come in because he believed they didn't have a warrant. That is not proof one way or the other, and more than likely the panicked words of a guy who didn't want to be arrested.

 

[NickNitro]

Its hard to argue when all the facts aren't out to be honest. I agree with what you said but we'll have to wait for a more official report.

 

[James]

Oh yeah, absolutely. I was careful to use the word "if"

 

[NickNitro]

haha I wasn't. I don't think arguing is my thing. Myabe Ill just keep to posting in the lolpics thread