His webslinging still looks off

[Spider-ManHero12]

Of all the things I usually nitpick, webslinging hasn't been one of them. I personaly think it looks fine, I'd rather they work harder on making characters like Spider-man and MJ act like themselves before they look to improving the webslinging.

every cgi scene in the movie is fine, that im sure of.

 

[ultimatefan]

No, bad animation is not made more acceptable because everything is animated. If it looks like bad animation, guess what, it is. That's how it works. EVERYTHING in movies and tv is basically animation since it's all just a bunch of images being displayed rapidly frame by frame. So the area of difference is become more minor now with cgi getting better.

Animators wouldn't have to check every frame for consistency if it were believed we couldn't decipher so easily if something was badly animated. And whatever rules are established for the animation must be obeyed. Final Fantasy Advent children containes some very good animation for instance, but just as in live action I can easily tell where the movements were more unrealistic compared to their normal animation. Go watch the movie yourself and come back here and tell me because it's all cgi, everything looked natural and smooth. At times, yes. At times, no. Was that the animator's choice, to bend the rules for that extra something however? Absolutely. Does that make it more acceptable and less fantastic? No, they wanted it to look fantastic so they took the liberty they have to do that... it's a videogame movie. And we can tell, easily, when they take those liberties...

Stick jar jar binks in final fantasy and there's no way in hell he'd be acceptable as part of that world, even there.

And that's what I'm saying. Bad animation is still bad animation.

Your point being? Sometimes the animation in the Spider-Man movies may be more fantastic than realistic, and it has to be, given that what the character does is more fantastic than realistic, so it´s fine with me. Period.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Your point being? Sometimes the animation in the Spider-Man movies may be more fantastic than realistic, and it has to be, given that what the character does is more fantastic than realistic, so it´s fine with me. Period.

totally agreed, what spidey does is more fantastic than realistic, spideys web-slinging is fantastic, we wouldnt want spidey swinging like a guy on a rope, spideys a very agile character, and i like it like that.

 

[The Kid]

Your point being? Sometimes the animation in the Spider-Man movies may be more fantastic than realistic, and it has to be, given that what the character does is more fantastic than realistic, so it´s fine with me. Period.

Read what I say again about bad animation still being bad animation. This is a live action movie so spidey turning into a cartoon will look out of place of course. It's even worse when it's a badly animated one. And I don't get it... Why does it have to look like a cartoon? Why can't it look like a totally believable shot of a man who sticks to walls doing flips and such? We have the technology to do that.

So if a shot is obviously cgi, and spidey walks on air or some nonsense, you would buy it? Why do they even bother trying to make cgi better anymore?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Read what I say again about bad animation still being bad animation. This is a live action movie so spidey turning into a cartoon will look out of place of course. It's even worse when it's a badly animated one. And I don't get it... Why does it have to look like a cartoon? Why can't it look like a totally believable shot of a man who sticks to walls doing flips and such? We have the technology to do that.

So if a shot is obviously cgi, and spidey walks on air or some nonsense, you would buy it? Why do they even bother trying to make cgi better anymore?

they bother because they want to make it look even more real, it looks very real in the spidey movies, look st king kong, there was tons ofcgi in that movie, the cgi in the spiderman movies is the best.

 

[craigaat]

I think all the swinging looks amazing

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think all the swinging looks amazing

agreed, i havent had one complaint about spideys web-slinging, its staying that way to.

 

[Sean Adisano]

agreed, i havent had one complaint about spideys web-slinging, its staying that way to.

i agree with both yours and craigaat's comment - webslinging is perfect.

but you know what i can't wait to see is him swinging with the symbiote now...hes stronger and more powerful and he'll be doin some new tricks hopefully, i mean he's got too...even new tricks with regular spidey.

 

[Sean Adisano]

avvy's awesome by the way spidermanhero12

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

avvy's awesome by the way spidermanhero12

thanks, by the way, im very interested in seeing symbiote spidey swing and fight, very cool.

 

[ultimatefan]

Read what I say again about bad animation still being bad animation. This is a live action movie so spidey turning into a cartoon will look out of place of course. It's even worse when it's a badly animated one. And I don't get it... Why does it have to look like a cartoon? Why can't it look like a totally believable shot of a man who sticks to walls doing flips and such? We have the technology to do that.

So if a shot is obviously cgi, and spidey walks on air or some nonsense, you would buy it? Why do they even bother trying to make cgi better anymore?

It´s not bad animation. It´s some of the best people in the market working as hard as they can to do the best job possible and anyone in that market, even their competitors, will recognize they´re doing a tremendous job, feel free to ask. It doesn´t look totally believable because it´s not. Because it´s impossible for a human being to do that and my brain will always tell me that, no matter how good the animation is. If the animation feels bad for you and it´s so important, don´t see the movies, simple as that. Or ask the top professionals in the area if they think it´s such a bad job as you so certainly believe, even though you clearly appear to have zero expertise in the area. I´d love to hear the answers.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

It´s not bad animation. It´s some of the best people in the market working as hard as they can to do the best job possible and anyone in that market, even their competitors, will recognize they´re doing a tremendous job, feel free to ask. It doesn´t look totally believable because it´s not. Because it´s impossible for a human being to do that and my brain will always tell me that, no matter how good the animation is. That is my point, has been my point for several posts and you continue to overlook.

exactly, the animation is perfect, the animation team try there hardest to do it right and make it perfect, i think they did an amazing job, they put all of there hard work effort into it and succeeded in doing it, they did a great job.

 

[The Kid]

they bother because they want to make it look even more real, it looks very real in the spidey movies, look st king kong, there was tons ofcgi in that movie, the cgi in the spiderman movies is the best.

I'd throw the "opinion not fact" bull crap at you that's usually thrown at people who try to view things objectively, but I just don't see the point.

 

[The Kid]

It´s not bad animation. It´s some of the best people in the market working as hard as they can to do the best job possible and anyone in that market, even their competitors, will recognize they´re doing a tremendous job, feel free to ask. It doesn´t look totally believable because it´s not. Because it´s impossible for a human being to do that and my brain will always tell me that, no matter how good the animation is. If the animation feels bad for you and it´s so important, don´t see the movies, simple as that. Or ask the top professionals in the area if they think it´s such a bad job as you so certainly believe, even though you clearly appear to have zero expertise in the area. I´d love to hear the answers.

Goddamit, yes I said "believable". WE KNOW it's not real because a MR. Common Sense tells us these superhero movies are fictional. So don't you dare patronize me. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

If it looks like cgi, THEY FAIL. That's the bottom line in this argument.

 

[D.P.]

Let's reminisce..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjomxSzvW6s

Yea, Webslingin' looks hooooooorrrrrrrible...

 

[ultimatefan]

Goddamit, yes I said "believable". WE KNOW it's not real because a MR. Common Sense tells us these superhero movies are fictional. So don't you dare patronize me. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

If it looks like cgi, THEY FAIL. That's the bottom line in this argument.

Because it´s not real and it can´t be real, to some extent it will ALWAYS look like an effect. It looks as far from it as it can be done. You can hire other people if you want and it will be the same, that the bottom line of my argument, it´s as well done and as believable as it can be with tools, time and money available, and movies always suffer from limitations on these areas. There are things in movies that are done FOR REAL and for one or another reason people still get the impression that it´s an effect - on The X-Files movie, people said the CGI bee didn´t look real and it was a real bee, in the teaser for the first Spidey some people actually thought the first head shot of Spidey was CGI and it wasn´t. You choose to suspend your disbelief or not. I do that and I can feel like I´m up there with Spidey webswinging through the city. Trust me, it´s tons more fun than picking it apart. I can do it and so can a huge number of fans who love these movies, if you can´t, that´s your problem, not mine.

 

[The Kid]

Because it´s not real and it can´t be real, to some extent it will ALWAYS look like an effect. It looks as far from it as it can be done. You can hire other people if you want and it will be the same, that the bottom line of my argument, it´s as well done and as believable as it can be with tools, time and money available, and movies always suffer from limitations on these areas. There are things in movies that are done FOR REAL and for one or another reason people still get the impression that it´s an effect - on The X-Files movie, people said the CGI bee didn´t look real and it was a real bee, in the teaser for the first Spidey some people actually thought the first head shot of Spidey was CGI and it wasn´t. You choose to suspend your disbelief or not. I do that and I can feel like I´m up there with Spidey webswinging through the city. Trust me, it´s tons more fun than picking it apart. I can do it and so can a huge number of fans who love these movies, if you can´t, that´s your problem, not mine.

Good for you. If less quality is what you want, I'm sure they'll more than oblige.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Because it´s not real and it can´t be real, to some extent it will ALWAYS look like an effect. It looks as far from it as it can be done. You can hire other people if you want and it will be the same, that the bottom line of my argument, it´s as well done and as believable as it can be with tools, time and money available, and movies always suffer from limitations on these areas. There are things in movies that are done FOR REAL and for one or another reason people still get the impression that it´s an effect - on The X-Files movie, people said the CGI bee didn´t look real and it was a real bee, in the teaser for the first Spidey some people actually thought the first head shot of Spidey was CGI and it wasn´t. You choose to suspend your disbelief or not. I do that and I can feel like I´m up there with Spidey webswinging through the city. Trust me, it´s tons more fun than picking it apart. I can do it and so can a huge number of fans who love these movies, if you can´t, that´s your problem, not mine.

very well said, the cgi is the same no matter who does it, it will always look the same, cgi looks real, but, sometimes it doesnt, thats my point, the spiderman movies have cgi in them, it doesnt always look fake, but sometimes it does, cgi is the closests you will get to the real thing, john dykstra did his best in bringing the vfx to life and making it look as real as possible, and i think he did a great job.

 

[ultimatefan]

Good for you. If less quality is what you want, I'm sure they'll more than oblige.

I´m very secure about the quality of what I get. I don´t need to play know-it-all-too-cool-for-school to feel superior. But when it´s all somebody has, I guess we need to understand.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I´m very secure about the quality of what I get. I don´t need to play know-it-all-too-cool-for-school to feel superior. But when it´s all somebody has, I guess we need to understand.

yup.

 

[The Kid]

I´m very secure about the quality of what I get. I don´t need to play know-it-all-too-cool-for-school to feel superior. But when it´s all somebody has, I guess we need to understand.

Again, good for you. Some people do accept mediocrity. Other people want to get their money's worth.

 

[Nebins]

Wesyeed clearly no one here agrees with you. We all think the webslinging looks great and yes sometimes you can tell it's CGI but give me a movie where you can't tell the character is CGI and you may be able to sway some people to your side. "I want it to look better" is not a persuasive argument and you wont change any attitudes with that.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Wesyeed clearly no one here agrees with you. We all think the webslinging looks great and yes sometimes you can tell it's CGI but give me a movie where you can't tell the character is CGI and you may be able to sway some people to your side. "I want it to look better" is not a persuasive argument and you wont change any attitudes with that.

perfectly said, i couldnt agree more, the web-slinging is perfect and thats the way it is.

 

[ultimatefan]

Again, good for you. Some people do accept mediocrity. Other people want to get their money's worth.

And some people acknowledge quality while others need to put things down to feel better about themselves. Whatever helps you to sleep.

 

[The Kid]

Wesyeed clearly no one here agrees with you. We all think the webslinging looks great and yes sometimes you can tell it's CGI but give me a movie where you can't tell the character is CGI and you may be able to sway some people to your side. "I want it to look better" is not a persuasive argument and you wont change any attitudes with that.

Side? I could seriously care less if you don't want to be here talking about this. I'm not concerned with kiddie playground games where everyone chooses sides and hides behind someone else who thinks for them. I'm just excercising OUR right to freely discuss this kind of topic. Don't like it? Leave.

Grrr