Civil War How can Civil War work in the Marvel movie universe?

[ZIPBAGS]

I am normally a DC fan. But, I enjoy the Marvel films and shows. I understand the comic plot of Civil War. But, just not understanding how it makes sense in the Marvel cinematic universe. In the comics you have 100's of mutantsand superpowered beings. In the films we only have a dozen or so heroes and almost all of them already have publicly known identities.

 

[ernesth100]

Like this.http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=495119

 

[MbJ]

I am normally a DC fan. But, I enjoy the Marvel films and shows. I understand the comic plot of Civil War. But, just not understanding how it makes sense in the Marvel cinematic universe. In the comics you have 100's of mutantsand superpowered beings. In the films we only have a dozen or so heroes and almost all of them already have publicly known identities.

The same way any adaptation works. You pick the parts that make sense in the context you're working with and jettison the rest.

And the issue won't be about secret identities it will be about the government wanting to control superheroes.

 

[Broseph44]

The same way you make and adapt any comic books stories and big arcs. Take things from it that work and change up some other things.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

I am normally a DC fan. But, I enjoy the Marvel films and shows. I understand the comic plot of Civil War. But, just not understanding how it makes sense in the Marvel cinematic universe. In the comics you have 100's of mutants and superpowered beings. In the films we only have a dozen or so heroes and almost all of them already have publicly known identities.

The SHRA was more than just the divulging of secret identities though. It was about mandatory government regulation of superhuman and superhero activity, and probable conscription into active government service.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Also AoS is introducing more and more 'supers' mostly through the Inhuman story line, by CW we will also have Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage.

Shield even during season 1 had a list of people with powers calle the index. It's safe to say there are lot more people with powers than just the heroes in the movies.

The intriguing part is how they will get Tony onto pro-reg side (most likely guilt from Ultron) but especially how they get Cap on the anti-reg side, as pointed out this has nothing to do with masks in which case it's just registering your powers and possibly signing up for government work. Now Cap did this in WW2 and between Avengers and TWS.

Most likely after TWS especially he realises the government is not like it once was if it ever was like he imagined it to be and so he doesn't think the government should have a group of powered people fighting it's battles, when it's battles are morally dubious.

 

[ZIPBAGS]

Thanks for the answers.

 

[ernesth100]

Agreed.

 

[falconcrest87]

It can't. Everything about Civil War from the ground up makes it bad to adapt into a movie. This is why I didn't want Marvel Studios to do this.

Think about it. The Superhero Registration Act. Does anybody know exactly what the act entails? And I mean everything. The various writers of the the Civil War arc did not. It would seem obvious that the SRA is just a registration act. To which, I ask, what are our superheroes registering. Are they just on a database like the sex offender registry? To they have to register their powers in order to use them? Hell I can tell you why that's not going to work thanks to a little movie called X-Men. In the beginning of that movie Jean Grey is arguing with Senator Kelly about how the Mutant Registration Act is going to work. He mentions that we license people to drive cars or use guns, to which Jean tell him we don't regulate people to live. How you gonna stop someone from using a power when they don't control it? Or is the Superhero Registration Act a draft? In that case: Inacting a draft is virtually impossible in this day and age. Hell, this law wouldn't work because you need a war in order to inact a draft and what the hell kind of war would be going on in the MCU for there to be a draft on superheroes? This why when the government enacts a law, the texts and details of that law are extensive. To cut down on loopholes and misunderstandings that could get the law thrown out later.

Not to mention: The Superhero Registration Act is an act passed by Congress. THE US CONGRESS. This law could potentially be useless everywhere else outside of America, rendering at least one of the cast moot. And yes there are ways to make a law that was made in America, relevant across the globe. Trade agreement and UN Resolutions are a few that come to mind. But that would still leave holdouts. And who in west hell wants to sit through CBM that is literally 2 hours of parlimentary procedure and a godawful civics lesson. Not me.

If they're smart the SRA is made irrelevant to the plot. The law is overly simplistic, and let's be honest people, would die on the House floor. Constantly. Regardless of how much support the law had. It can't work in practice.

 

[TheVision]

Itll be great and none of us will care that its not exactly like the comic book Civil War. Thats how it will work.

 

[ernesth100]

Itll be great and none of us will care that its not exactly like the comic book Civil War. Thats how it will work.

This. Thank You.

 

[iambranded]

It can't. Everything about Civil War from the ground up makes it bad to adapt into a movie. This is why I didn't want Marvel Studios to do this.

Think about it. The Superhero Registration Act. Does anybody know exactly what the act entails? And I mean everything. The various writers of the the Civil War arc did not. It would seem obvious that the SRA is just a registration act. To which, I ask, what are our superheroes registering. Are they just on a database like the sex offender registry? To they have to register their powers in order to use them? Hell I can tell you why that's not going to work thanks to a little movie called X-Men. In the beginning of that movie Jean Grey is arguing with Senator Kelly about how the Mutant Registration Act is going to work. He mentions that we license people to drive cars or use guns, to which Jean tell him we don't regulate people to live. How you gonna stop someone from using a power when they don't control it? Or is the Superhero Registration Act a draft? In that case: Inacting a draft is virtually impossible in this day and age. Hell, this law wouldn't work because you need a war in order to inact a draft and what the hell kind of war would be going on in the MCU for there to be a draft on superheroes? This why when the government enacts a law, the texts and details of that law are extensive. To cut down on loopholes and misunderstandings that could get the law thrown out later.

Not to mention: The Superhero Registration Act is an act passed by Congress. THE US CONGRESS. This law could potentially be useless everywhere else outside of America, rendering at least one of the cast moot. And yes there are ways to make a law that was made in America, relevant across the globe. Trade agreement and UN Resolutions are a few that come to mind. But that would still leave holdouts. And who in west hell wants to sit through CBM that is literally 2 hours of parlimentary procedure and a godawful civics lesson. Not me.

If they're smart the SRA is made irrelevant to the plot. The law is overly simplistic, and let's be honest people, would die on the House floor. Constantly. Regardless of how much support the law had. It can't work in practice.

We dont know if it will be a Superhero Registration Act....this will extremely loosely based on the comic....we had Captain America a fugitive of Shield in the last Cap movie..... i doubt he will be on the run again....
i think were going to see Iron Man and cap come to blows over the protection of the world as they seem fit....its like when Stark took a handful of Avengers and created Force Works back in the comic book day....
Theres going to be an issue where they will come together in the end but this will not be like the comics....I really believe that

 

[ernesth100]

It'll still be awesome though.

 

[third3ye]

The MCU Registration Act will be more about registering superheroes as first responders rather than disclosing their secret identities. Government's more concerned about collateral damage.

 

[Broseph44]

It can't. Everything about Civil War from the ground up makes it bad to adapt into a movie. This is why I didn't want Marvel Studios to do this.

Think about it. The Superhero Registration Act. Does anybody know exactly what the act entails? And I mean everything. The various writers of the the Civil War arc did not. It would seem obvious that the SRA is just a registration act. To which, I ask, what are our superheroes registering. Are they just on a database like the sex offender registry? To they have to register their powers in order to use them? Hell I can tell you why that's not going to work thanks to a little movie called X-Men. In the beginning of that movie Jean Grey is arguing with Senator Kelly about how the Mutant Registration Act is going to work. He mentions that we license people to drive cars or use guns, to which Jean tell him we don't regulate people to live. How you gonna stop someone from using a power when they don't control it? Or is the Superhero Registration Act a draft? In that case: Inacting a draft is virtually impossible in this day and age. Hell, this law wouldn't work because you need a war in order to inact a draft and what the hell kind of war would be going on in the MCU for there to be a draft on superheroes? This why when the government enacts a law, the texts and details of that law are extensive. To cut down on loopholes and misunderstandings that could get the law thrown out later.

Not to mention: The Superhero Registration Act is an act passed by Congress. THE US CONGRESS. This law could potentially be useless everywhere else outside of America, rendering at least one of the cast moot. And yes there are ways to make a law that was made in America, relevant across the globe. Trade agreement and UN Resolutions are a few that come to mind. But that would still leave holdouts. And who in west hell wants to sit through CBM that is literally 2 hours of parlimentary procedure and a godawful civics lesson. Not me.

If they're smart the SRA is made irrelevant to the plot. The law is overly simplistic, and let's be honest people, would die on the House floor. Constantly. Regardless of how much support the law had. It can't work in practice.

Oh stop.

 

[falconcrest87]

Oh stop.

...Narp.

 

[falconcrest87]

The MCU Registration Act will be more about registering superheroes as first responders rather than disclosing their secret identities. Government's more concerned about collateral damage.

Umm... and how do we know that the Superhero Registration Act is going to be that. Yeah Kevin Feige said that it wouldn't be about superheroes disclosing identities. But he didn't say what it was going to be about. So every seeable thing I think that they can do doesn't really make any sense.

I mean really, isn't first responding already what superheroes do? And as far as collateral damage goes: Wouldn't that still be an issue whether or not they were on the government's dime?

Man, remember the good old days when political commentary made sense in the Captain America universe.

 

[Pokkle]

I am normally a DC fan. But, I enjoy the Marvel films and shows. I understand the comic plot of Civil War. But, just not understanding how it makes sense in the Marvel cinematic universe. In the comics you have 100's of mutantsand superpowered beings. In the films we only have a dozen or so heroes and almost all of them already have publicly known identities.

In Aos, there's many gifted people on the Index and

Spoiler

there's also hidden inhuman in the mcu like Gordon.

In april, there will be atleast Daredevil.
In Age of Ultron, there's atleast Scarlett Witch, Quicksilver, Vison and maybe more experiment from Strucker.
By the end of 2015, in aka Jessica Jones, there will be some gifted people too.

 

[3dman27]

I hope they work out the bugs

 

[BatsDC]

It's going to be about who answers to who. The government wants to control superheroes. Cap doesn't trust the government, Tony sides with them after all the mistakes he's made. Boom, there's your conflict. They form small teams, eventually all fight each other.

 

[Protar]

Umm... and how do we know that the Superhero Registration Act is going to be that. Yeah Kevin Feige said that it wouldn't be about superheroes disclosing identities. But he didn't say what it was going to be about. So every seeable thing I think that they can do doesn't really make any sense.

I mean really, isn't first responding already what superheroes do? And as far as collateral damage goes: Wouldn't that still be an issue whether or not they were on the government's dime?

Man, remember the good old days when political commentary made sense in the Captain America universe.

I don't see what doesn't make sense about it. The governments of the world (not just the USA) do not want Supers doing whatever they want, whenever they want. The government wants to be in charge of when and how the supers respond.

The biggest logical issue is that Cap has already worked under the government. So I would also hazard a guess that the pro-reg side will start using Supers to turn the US and other countries into oppressive nanny states.

 

[Loki882]

No the biggest logical issue is Tony becoming a government cheerleader. That doesn't fit his character as established in the MCU AT ALL!

 

[TeeKay]

No the biggest logical issue is Tony becoming a government cheerleader. That doesn't fit his character as established in the MCU AT ALL!

 

[Protar]

No the biggest logical issue is Tony becoming a government cheerleader. That doesn't fit his character as established in the MCU AT ALL!

Isn't that kind of the whole point? He spends all this time being this reckless mad scientist as he calls himself in AoU, doing as he pleases. And then in AoU everything goes wrong so he's basically calling his entire world view into question.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I can't speak to the title of the thread. Because, quite frankly i still don't know. But perhaps the ending of AoU with the

Spoiler

new roster might lend some knowledge.
Captain America
Black Widow
Scarlet Witch
Vision
War Machine
Falcon

may make up the foundation of at least one side of the fight.

While Stark and Hulk, the... dangerous ones. Might be on the other side of the fence.

That being said, maybe we're seeing the makings of a conflict derived from some sort of demand that heroes stand trial for their past destruction. Stark doesn't believe that they should be held responsible. Rogers wants him held accountable and tells Tony to "trust in justice and liberty."