How come don't believe in evolution if...

[Memphis Slim]

Which theory has more scientific facts to back it up?

In regards to creationism, where is the garden of Eden?

No theory.....fact.


Complexity demands and intelligence behind it. In Darwin's day it was understandable to come to some of his conclusions. Looking at the cell through his microscope, led him to believe that it was primitive one-cell organism. But today, there is more information. That cell is a friggin' computer!! A factory so balanced ...so intricate...there is no way random chance put that together.

It takes more faith to be an evolutionist:

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...an_We_Be_Certain_That_Evolution_Is_a_Myth.htm

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...olution_Conflict_with_the_Book_of_Genesis.htm

 

[Memphis Slim]

Which theory has more scientific facts to back it up?

In regards to creationism, where is the garden of Eden?

No theory.....fact.


Complexity demands and intelligence behind it. In Darwin's day it was understandable to come to some of his conclusions. Looking at the cell through his microscope, led him to believe that it was primitive one-cell organism. But today, there is more information. That cell is a friggin' computer!! A factory so balanced ...so intricate...there is no way random chance put that together.

It takes more faith to be an evolutionist:

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...an_We_Be_Certain_That_Evolution_Is_a_Myth.htm

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...olution_Conflict_with_the_Book_of_Genesis.htm

 

[Memphis Slim]

Which theory has more scientific facts to back it up?

In regards to creationism, where is the garden of Eden?

No theory.....fact.


Complexity demands and intelligence behind it. In Darwin's day it was understandable to come to some of his conclusions. Looking at the cell through his microscope, led him to believe that it was primitive one-cell organism. But today, there is more information. That cell is a friggin' computer!! A factory so balanced ...so intricate...there is no way random chance put that together.

It takes more faith to be an evolutionist:

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...an_We_Be_Certain_That_Evolution_Is_a_Myth.htm

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...olution_Conflict_with_the_Book_of_Genesis.htm

 

[Memphis Slim]

Which theory has more scientific facts to back it up?

In regards to creationism, where is the garden of Eden?

No theory.....fact.


Complexity demands and intelligence behind it. In Darwin's day it was understandable to come to some of his conclusions. Looking at the cell through his microscope, led him to believe that it was primitive one-cell organism. But today, there is more information. That cell is a friggin' computer!! A factory so balanced ...so intricate...there is no way random chance put that together.

It takes more faith to be an evolutionist:

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...an_We_Be_Certain_That_Evolution_Is_a_Myth.htm

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...olution_Conflict_with_the_Book_of_Genesis.htm

 

[Memphis Slim]

Which theory has more scientific facts to back it up?

In regards to creationism, where is the garden of Eden?

No theory.....fact.


Complexity demands and intelligence behind it. In Darwin's day it was understandable to come to some of his conclusions. Looking at the cell through his microscope, led him to believe that it was primitive one-cell organism. But today, there is more information. That cell is a friggin' computer!! A factory so balanced ...so intricate...there is no way random chance put that together.

It takes more faith to be an evolutionist:

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...an_We_Be_Certain_That_Evolution_Is_a_Myth.htm

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...olution_Conflict_with_the_Book_of_Genesis.htm

 

[Memphis Slim]

Which theory has more scientific facts to back it up?

In regards to creationism, where is the garden of Eden?

No theory.....fact.


Complexity demands and intelligence behind it. In Darwin's day it was understandable to come to some of his conclusions. Looking at the cell through his microscope, led him to believe that it was primitive one-cell organism. But today, there is more information. That cell is a friggin' computer!! A factory so balanced ...so intricate...there is no way random chance put that together.

It takes more faith to be an evolutionist:

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...an_We_Be_Certain_That_Evolution_Is_a_Myth.htm

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...olution_Conflict_with_the_Book_of_Genesis.htm

 

[Fried Gold]

Telling us 9 times doesn't make it true.

 

[The Overlord]

Read a play or watch the movie called Inherit the Wind, great movie, great play. However, your post is slightly hypocritical since you barely give the other side a chance to retort since you basically say there argument is "stupid" to begin with.



How can you say your not inciting an argument, you're asking WHY people are stupid(In your terms).

Now time for probably the only voice on the other side of this. I believe in evolution, HOWEVER... I do not think creationists are idiots, they look at what their given, and have come to the conclusion they don't believe it for whatever reason. That's there decision and they shouldn't be humiliated for it or made to feel like there inferior to those of us who believe in evolution... WHat I find mostly is that for every athiest saying people of faith, are insecure and need something, are in the same boat since they've replace there faith with a desire to put down people of faith, in the same way that people of faith try to convert everyone.

P.S. How much do people actually know about evolution other than "WE COME FROM APES!!! AND PROBABLY WORMS TOO!"

That's fine and well, the problem is a lot of creationists want to put their theory into science classes, that's where they leave themsleves open to a lot of criticism. Creationists can believe in whatever they want, but when they try to present their theory as science, they are asking to be criticized. Whether God created the universe is a question of religion or philsophy, not sceicne, this question has no place in a science class.

 

[Movies205]

No theory.....fact.


Complexity demands and intelligence behind it. In Darwin's day it was understandable to come to some of his conclusions. Looking at the cell through his microscope, led him to believe that it was primitive one-cell organism. But today, there is more information. That cell is a friggin' computer!! A factory so balanced ...so intricate...there is no way random chance put that together.

It takes more faith to be an evolutionist:

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...an_We_Be_Certain_That_Evolution_Is_a_Myth.htm

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...olution_Conflict_with_the_Book_of_Genesis.htm

P.S. How much do people actually know about evolution other than "WE COME FROM APES!!! AND PROBABLY WORMS TOO!" - My point exactly

 

[Movies205]

That's fine and well, the problem is a lot of creationists want to put their theory into science classes, that's where they leave themsleves open to a lot of criticism. Creationists can believe in whatever they want, but when they try to present their theory as science, they are asking to be criticized. Whether God created the universe is a question of religion or philsophy, not sceicne, this question has no place in a science class.

A valid point but he was asking about why people believe in it, not on where it's taught. But yeah I agree religion shouldn't be taught in science class.

 

[The Overlord]

No theory.....fact.


Complexity demands and intelligence behind it. In Darwin's day it was understandable to come to some of his conclusions. Looking at the cell through his microscope, led him to believe that it was primitive one-cell organism. But today, there is more information. That cell is a friggin' computer!! A factory so balanced ...so intricate...there is no way random chance put that together.

It takes more faith to be an evolutionist:

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...an_We_Be_Certain_That_Evolution_Is_a_Myth.htm

http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaM...olution_Conflict_with_the_Book_of_Genesis.htm

No that's a theory, not a fact. Just because something is complex doesn't mean it was created by an intelligence and comparing humans to computers is just silly.

Could God have created humans through evolution or even created the big bang. That is possible. But whether God exists and created the universe is not a question of science, it is a question of religion or philsophy. Intelligent Design has no place in a science class because whether God exist or not has nothing to do with science. That question should be addressed in a religion or a philsophy class.

However I will say creationism as told in Genesis is highly unlikely. It doesn't take into account things like bio-diversity and has way more holes than evolution. Again why don't you prove creationism? Where is the Garden of Eden?

 

[Memphis Slim]

Hang on, however giant a leap it may be, surely it's a proverbial tiny step compared to the MASSIVE leap of some dude in the sky creating everything within a week.

If you start from the premise of an ALL POWERFUL GOD, who can do anything He pleases, that is not a massive leap. What's a week to Him?

 

[Super Kal]

Where is the Garden of Eden?

most likely rotten away by now

 

[The Overlord]

A valid point but he was asking about why people believe in it, not on where it's taught. But yeah I agree religion shouldn't be taught in science class.

Well that's be fair here, evolution has more facts and has fewer holes than creationism. People of faith can belief in whatever they want, but that doesn't change the fact that from a science based stand point one theory is better than the other. Believing in something doesn't make it factually correct. Plus ultimately faith is another word for pure opinion, I think facts trump opinion.

 

[The Overlord]

most likely rotten away by now

Why, it was prefect and created by God, he could easily maintain it for forever. God had a angel guarding it, why would he bother with that if the garden was going to rot away?

 

[Movies205]

Well that's be fair here, evolution has more facts and has fewer holes than creationism. People of faith can belief in whatever they want, but that doesn't change the fact that from a science based stand point one theory is better than the other. Believing in something doesn't make it factually correct. Plus ultimately faith is another word for pure opinion, I think facts trump opinion.

And Ladies and Gentlemen... the truth is known... So... When your argument was shown not to have any place here... You switch to "Evolution makes more sense'. Anyone someone just posted a link to a decent argument which shreds this "common sense" argument to shreds since it sheds light on the fact that most of us have no f'ing clue what evolution is or the supposed facts involved.

 

[The Overlord]

If you start from the premise of an ALL POWERFUL GOD, who can do anything He pleases, that is not a massive leap. What's a week to Him?

So what did God just didn't enfonce bio-divesity at the begining of time? Was he okay with incest back then, but changed his mind later? Seriously objectively creationism has way more problems than evolution. Where is the garden of Den?

 

[Super Kal]

Why, it was prefect and created by God, he could easily maintain it for forever. God had a angel guarding it, why would he bother with that if the garden was going to rot away?

because back then, God showed Himself in a physical form.... people had a direct connection to God, and if you have a direct connection to your creator, would you really care what happened to the garden?

if it didn't rot away, it's probably in another dimension or something.

 

[The Overlord]

And Ladies and Gentlemen... the truth is known... So... When your argument was shown not to have any place here... You switch to "Evolution makes more sense'. Anyone someone just posted a link to a decent argument which shreds this "common sense" argument to shreds since it sheds light on the fact that most of us have no f'ing clue what evolution is or the supposed facts involved.

Then do it, prove creationism is better than evolution. Provide facts that prove bio-diversity didn't matter 5000 years go or so. Give me some facts that creationism is better or equal to evolution. Look we are talking about the origin of the universe, which means that one theory is correct and one is incorrect. Don't give me this PC "everyone's opinion is equal" BS, because that isn't true. Evolution isn't prefect, but it is a better theory. If people want to believe God created the world through evolution, that's fine to, no one can prove or disprove that. But don't tell me a theory that ignores bio-diversity is better than one that doesn't.

 

[Memphis Slim]

No that's a theory, not a fact. Just because something is complex doesn't mean it was created by an intelligence and comparing humans to computers is just silly.


Wrong.....dude. Can you look at the Mona Lisa and suppose that the paints just jumped on the canvas into the complex work of art we see today? Can you look at a building and not think that there was mind and hands that put it together in a functioning way?? That my friend, stretches credulity. The balance in nature, the human eye, the human body....the universe. Order cannot come from choas unless a mind is reeling in the choas and setting it in order.


Could God have created humans through evolution or even created the big bang. That is possible. But whether God exists and created the universe is not a question of science, it is a question of religion or philsophy. Intelligent Design has no place in a science class because whether God exist or not has nothing to do with science. That question should be addressed in a religion or a philsophy class.


Science and religion don't oppose each other. Let me ask you this: "Even if creation is just a random bunch of biochemical processess to you, where does the soul come from? Thoughts? Emotion? A sense of morality?? Right & Wrong???



However I will say creationism as told in Genesis is highly unlikely. It doesn't take into account things like bio-diversity and has way more holes than evolution. Again why don't you prove creationism? Where is the Garden of Eden?

And where is the "missing link"??? Darwin said it was out here somewhere. Bible is clear about the fate of Eden. But there is more than enough archeaological evidence for Biblical cred.

The Bible wasn't written to show bio-diversity. But it does account for God creating mant different types of life.....animal and plant. It's not a text book. It was written for the purpose of showing man
1. Who God is.
2. What man's condition is.
3. To show man how to fix his condition thru a relationship with His Son.

 

[Memphis Slim]

No that's a theory, not a fact. Just because something is complex doesn't mean it was created by an intelligence and comparing humans to computers is just silly.


Wrong.....dude. Can you look at the Mona Lisa and suppose that the paints just jumped on the canvas into the complex work of art we see today? Can you look at a building and not think that there was mind and hands that put it together in a functioning way?? That my friend, stretches credulity. The balance in nature, the human eye, the human body....the universe. Order cannot come from choas unless a mind is reeling in the choas and setting it in order.


Could God have created humans through evolution or even created the big bang. That is possible. But whether God exists and created the universe is not a question of science, it is a question of religion or philsophy. Intelligent Design has no place in a science class because whether God exist or not has nothing to do with science. That question should be addressed in a religion or a philsophy class.


Science and religion don't oppose each other. Let me ask you this: "Even if creation is just a random bunch of biochemical processess to you, where does the soul come from? Thoughts? Emotion? A sense of morality?? Right & Wrong???



However I will say creationism as told in Genesis is highly unlikely. It doesn't take into account things like bio-diversity and has way more holes than evolution. Again why don't you prove creationism? Where is the Garden of Eden?

And where is the "missing link"??? Darwin said it was out here somewhere. Bible is clear about the fate of Eden. But there is more than enough archeaological evidence for Biblical cred.

The Bible wasn't written to show bio-diversity. But it does account for God creating mant different types of life.....animal and plant. It's not a text book. It was written for the purpose of showing man
1. Who God is.
2. What man's condition is.
3. To show man how to fix his condition thru a relationship with His Son.

 

[Super Kal]

this is why I think religion and science should stay away from each other... just creates too many problems when they hang around with each other

 

[DorkyFresh]

i, personally, think all of humanity is an experiment by aliens. our actions dictate what grade they get...

...right now they're getting an "F", hehe.

this is why I think religion and science should stay away from each other... just creates too many problems when they hang around with each other

exactly...religion is the theory (unproven), science is the truth (proof).

 

[The Overlord]

And where is the "missing link"??? Darwin said it was out here somewhere. Bible is clear about the fate of Eden. But there is more than enough archeaological evidence for Biblical cred.

The Bible wasn't written to show bio-diversity. But it does account for God creating mant different types of life.....animal and plant. It's not a text book. It was written for the purpose of showing man
1. Who God is.
2. What man's condition is.
3. To show man how to fix his condition thru a relationship with His Son.

Prove it show me the ruins of Eden, where is the angle who is guarding it? you want evolution supporters to prove the existance of the proof of the misisng link, but you get a pass on Eden?

Your theory is just a theory, not a fact. The fact that man is complex doesn't prove the existance of an intelligence, that is logic leap, it doesn't disprove it either, but it doesn't prove it. Comapring man to painting or computers is illogical.

I mean if you are argue there is an intelligence, how do we determine the nature of this intelligence? How do you know the gods of Hindusim didn't create the world?

If the Bible wants to be the basis for expalining the creation of the univsere, then it has to be taken as a text book, you can't say a theory that ignores bio-diversity is better than one that doesn't. Unless God was okay with incest back then and didn't enforce bio-diversity back then, the human race would have died out a few generations, because you can't have the human race come from one couple without it being destroyed in a few generations.

because back then, God showed Himself in a physical form.... people had a direct connection to God, and if you have a direct connection to your creator, would you really care what happened to the garden?

if it didn't rot away, it's probably in another dimension or something.

God put an angel to guard the garden, why would have done it if it was going to rot away in a few decades?

 

[Super Kal]

God put an angel to guard the garden, why would have done it if it was going to rot away in a few decades?

I don't know, and frankly, I don't care. As a Christian, it shouldn't concern me, and it doesn't. The goal of Christianity is not to find the Garden of Eden.

I can easily believe that God put it in some kind of safe and keep it there until needed...

religion is the theory (unproven), science is the truth (proof).

evolution has yet to be proven, since the missing link has yet to be found.
and it probably never will be.