How do You Feel About a Fox Doctor Doom Film?

[First Avenger]

After finding out the Skrulls are now part of the MCU, whatever Fox does at this point is insignificant

It feels so good that Fox could have showed Skrulls or Watchers for all these years and Marvel just introduces them in its movies.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I had assumed most people had heard Noah Hawley is developing. There isn't a director attached. That's all we know.

I'll edit.

You're right, directing not confirmed, just developing in some capacity.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It feels so good that Fox could have showed Skrulls or Watchers for all these years and Marvel just introduces them in its movies.

That alone provides insight into how Fox doesn't understand these characters. If we had had elements like that, maybe the Fox films wouldn't have failed so miserably.

We even had a Galuctus/SS film, but no Watcher.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

You're right, directing not confirmed, just developing in some capacity.

He could end up being the director, but if so, that would follow the same pattern of the previous FF films - seemingly talented director but with almost no track record.

Hawley has directed 3 TV episodes... not seasons, but literal episodes.

All told, he's directed roughly 120 minutes of screen-time total and in a TV environment which is far different than a feature film.

 

[Spiderine]

He could end up being the director, but if so, that would follow the same pattern of the previous FF films - seemingly talented director but with almost no track record.

Hawley has directed 3 TV episodes... not seasons, but literal episodes.

All told, he's directed roughly 120 minutes of screen-time total and in a TV environment which is far different than a feature film.

Was this guy tapped to direct or just "develop"? Because I was under the impression it was the latter.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Was this guy tapped to direct or just "develop"? Because I was under the impression it was the latter.

You are correct, but most people seem to be assuming he will be director. And the way these things work, he probably won't even be the primary script-writer. He will probably create a very rough outline and then Fox will turn that over to someone who has more film script experience - like Seth Grahame Smith.

Then that script will get polished by someone else, etc. etc. Then if it actually goes further (unlikely) they'll hire a director get his/her input, and if it actually gets green-lit after that, Hawley will likely be a producer.

 

[NealKenneth]

It feels so good that Fox could have showed Skrulls or Watchers for all these years and Marvel just introduces them in its movies.

That alone provides insight into how Fox doesn't understand these characters. If we had had elements like that, maybe the Fox films wouldn't have failed so miserably.

We even had a Galuctus/SS film, but no Watcher.

And when Feige was asked why they decided to bring in the Skrulls, he responded that they thought it would be "fun."

This is what really makes the MCU so much better than the other studios. For everyone else, they are looking at demographics and spending patterns etc....at Marvel, it's just a bunch of people saying "You know what would be cool?" and doing it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

And when Feige was asked why they decided to bring in the Skrulls, he responded that they thought it would be "fun."

This is what really makes the MCU so much better than the other studios. For everyone else, they are looking at demographics and spending patterns etc....at Marvel, it's just a bunch of people saying "You know what would be cool?" and doing it.

Yep. Fox is obsessed with not making anything too 'comic-booky'. Fox doesn't understand or respect the comic books or their fans. Marvel strives to make things as similar to the comic books as possible. And because they understand and respect the comic books and their fans, they understand how to make films that are fun and capture the key elements without being campy.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

You are correct, but most people seem to be assuming he will be director. And the way these things work, he probably won't even be the primary script-writer. He will probably create a very rough outline and then Fox will turn that over to someone who has more film script experience - like Seth Grahame Smith.

Then that script will get polished by someone else, etc. etc. Then if it actually goes further (unlikely) they'll hire a director get his/her input, and if it actually gets green-lit after that, Hawley will likely be a producer.

By "polished" do you mean re-written without any expensive sequences so they can film the movie on the cheap?

 

[Zarex]

"What if Latveria was a modern metropolis, like say Montreal? And Doom wears emotional armor instead of that silly metallic outfit?"

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

By "polished" do you mean re-written without any expensive sequences so they can film the movie on the cheap?

"What if Latveria was a modern metropolis, like say Montreal? And Doom wears emotional armor instead of that silly metallic outfit?"

Sadly this is how Fox thinks. People hear "Doctor Doom" and think: "Cool! I'd love to see Doom brought to life on the big screen!" And so would I.

But I was hoping for that and didn't get it in 2005. And I was hoping for that and didn't get it in 2007. And I was hoping for that and didn't get it in 2015.

And now I've learned my lesson. Anybody at Fox saying "Doctor Doom" doesn't mean what any of us imagine when we think of Doctor Doom.

When Fox says "Doctor Doom" they mean something very loosely, loosely based on Doctor Doom. I haven't seen anything in 17 years to convince me they understand what it would takes and have the balls to give us the real Doctor Doom.

If Fox is really seriously thinking about it, they must consider the Doom they plan to give us to be cheap and safe.

But the Doom all of us want to see is anything but cheap and safe.

 

[Steamteck]

I don't think they are up to it

 

[VenomsMom]

Fox knows the MCU will run out of great baddies one day. Fox got every villain we want to see. This is why they will keep them. When Thanos kick the bucket anything after him will be a letdown and Fox knows it. Disney lawyers and bankers just need to negotiate in a locked room break out the bank book and give Fox the money. Fox saw them spend 8 billion on Marvel Lucasfilm. Fox be like show me the money!

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think Marvel's need for Fox's villains is overstated. Worst case scenario Marvel can just make their own original movie villains. Eon did it for decades with the James Bond series once they ran through Fleming's novels. Some of the best and most famous Bond villains like Jaws and Alec Trevelyan were original.

As it is Marvel has had several successful films with minor, virtually unknown comic characters like Alexander Pierce, Darren Cross, Aldrich Killian, and Kaecilius.

 

[NealKenneth]

Fox knows the MCU will run out of great baddies one day. Fox got every villain we want to see. This is why they will keep them. When Thanos kick the bucket anything after him will be a letdown and Fox knows it.

You're giving Fox wayyyy too much credit here...if they struggle so much to give us decent films about the properties, how likely is that they realize they've got the goods?

I think Marvel's need for Fox's villains is overstated. Worst case scenario Marvel can just make their own original movie villains.

That's a very intriguing idea and I think the Black Order is essentially an example of that. They are very new characters in the comics, right?

But I do wish they had been a bit more careful about killing villains off in the earlier MCU films.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

You're giving Fox wayyyy too much credit here...if they struggle so much to give us decent films about the properties, how likely is that they realize they've got the goods?That's a very intriguing idea and I think the Black Order is essentially an example of that. They are very new characters in the comics, right?

Four or five years, I believe.

But I do wish they had been a bit more careful about killing villains off in the earlier MCU films.

A couple of them, yeah. The biggest waste, by far, was Strucker because they never even did anything with him.

The other mistake was Ronin who had a lot more to offer. But maybe they will bring him back or create a new Kree that shares similar characteristics with comic book Ronin. Movie Ronin was already a very different character from his comic book counterpart.

I'm still not convinced Red Skull is actually dead. Same with Ultron. It wouldn't be hard to bring either back.

Most of the others basically fulfilled their roles to completion. Some of them I really liked, but what more are you going to do with Ego, for example? The one I'm conflicted about is Purple Man, who could have done more, but seeing him get his was soooooo satisfying I'm willing to overlook it.

 

[VenomsMom]

You're giving Fox wayyyy too much credit here...if they struggle so much to give us decent films about the properties, how likely is that they realize they've got the goods?That's a very intriguing idea and I think the Black Order is essentially an example of that. They are very new characters in the comics, right?

But I do wish they had been a bit more careful about killing villains off in the earlier MCU films.

Fox don't want to make this film anymore than we want it. Let them make an official announcement and see what the internet do. They want Disney to pay up. Push come to serve they will put more rumors of progress being made. They know what they got with the FF. These two studios been talking. Disney wants it but the price tag is high.

Marvel can reuse villains but they will be subjected to Loki status. Support role side status to a main villain. Who will the main villains be? Who do Marvel fans want to see after Thanos? What else beside the Spiderman announcement would shut the internet down and bring fans to its knees. The rights to the FF back thats what.

 

[NealKenneth]

The biggest waste, by far, was Strucker because they never even did anything with him.

I agree. I actually forgot he even died so that's pretty bad.

The other mistake was Ronin who had a lot more to offer. But maybe they will bring him back or create a new Kree that shares similar characteristics with comic book Ronin. Movie Ronin was already a very different character from his comic book counterpart.

Hopefully we'll see a bit of his backstory in Captain Marvel!

I'm still not convinced Red Skull is actually dead.

Jackson said something about Skull a few months ago so...maybe Captain Marvel as well!

Same with Ultron. It wouldn't be hard to bring either back.

Not as Spader please.

what more are you going to do with Ego, for example?

All sorts of things. Thanos could have killed him in Infinity War even.

The one I'm conflicted about is Purple Man, who could have done more, but seeing him get his was soooooo satisfying I'm willing to overlook it.

I don't think I could handle the stress of him still being out there honestly.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The other mistake was Ronin who had a lot more to offer. But maybe they will bring him back or create a new Kree that shares similar characteristics with comic book Ronin. Movie Ronin was already a very different character from his comic book counterpart.

I feel like Marvel jumped to Thanos too soon. Ronan (done better) could have provided enough of a threat (to an Earth that until recently never even knew what was out there) with his "Universal Weapon".

With where we stand right now, Ronan could have judged the earth based on their forays into the universe (and perhaps their clumsiness and ignorance of the Infinity stones which could still be part of the broader story without going to the gauntlet yet) and decided they were unworthy and needed to be destroyed.

That existential threat, of a super-powerful alien with a super-powerful weapon, done right, could be enough to bring everybody together to fight him without going to Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet... yet.

Then Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet could be held in the wings as an even bigger threat that dwarfed the Ronan threat that (at the time) seemed the biggest threat Earth would ever face.

By going to Thanos so soon, they've sort of painted themselves into a corner. Without Galactus, Doom or Kang, Marvel's options are a little limited in terms of coming up with threats to match or exceed Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet.

If Marvel could get Galactus, that would be great. "You thought Thanos was tough? Wait until you see this guy."

On one hand, maybe this will lead to smaller stories with fewer characters... and that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing since we're getting to the point that bringing all the heroes together is becoming too much. But I think a slower build to Thanos (especially with Marvel's lack of other epic villains) and more emphasis on smaller villains who still could have posed big threats would have been wise.

 

[Zarex]

My concern over the MCU's future post Avenger 4 was lessened by a considerable degree with the Skrull reveal and the acknowledgement that Captain Marvel would be a period piece. Though 60s era FF may be off the table (for now), having a race of alien shape shifters operating for two decades opens up the possibility that a few of the folks we've seen onscreen aren't who we thought they were.

As for future villains - Warlock and the classic squad have been set up for Guardians, and a few of those folks could clash with earth's champions. A Secret Invasion story is a strong possibility now, and a lot of posters have raised the possibility of a super villain team like Thunderbolts (Civil War set up Zemo and "Thunderbolt" Ross nicely) or maybe the Squadron Supreme (though there may be a problem with Warner Brothers) for the Avengers.

A trip to the Savage Land has a lot of appeal (superheroes and dinosaurs!) as does a time travel adventure involving whoever ends up with that Infinity Stone. I'm still steamed about having to continue the arguments we had less than two years ago with the same FF "Super-Fans", but I am feeling better about the next phase of the MCU.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

having a race of alien shape shifters operating for two decades opens up the possibility that a few of the folks we've seen onscreen aren't who we thought they were.

I hadn't thought of that. That could open up some interesting (though also potentially quite annoying) story possibilities.

Remember Lyja? Maybe Pepper Pots will turn out to have been a Skrull all this time.

And yeah, regarding FF, we had some lengthy discussions a while back regarding if the current MCU precluded previous heroes. Whether they do a retro FF or not, I like the idea that Captain Marvel will stretch things out. The idea that all these heroes just suddenly appeared after having nothing but Captain America previously seemed a little goofy. I hope the MCU spreads out not only to other planets and dimensions, but I hope it spreads out and fills in with regard to time as well.

And having some heroes functioning at different times would eliminate some of the 'crowding' we're currently seeing in the MCU. Will every major threat be faced by every major hero going forward, or can they compartmentalize a little more to give us something more like the comics?

 

[Ozbridge]

I voted Yes, I don't really care much about pre-production and what studios are doing. If it's a well received movie I'll see it in theaters, if it isn't then it's non-existent to me.

 

[Set]

But I do wish they had been a bit more careful about killing villains off in the earlier MCU films.

Yeah, I'd kill for a Thunderbolts-type movie, but people that could have survived and been used for such a movie, like Crossbones, or maybe Whiplash or Aldrich Killian (or, even better, the woman who actually invented Extremis for him, Maya Henson), got kind of needlessly ganked.

 

[The Infernal]

Not even Made Mikkleson can save Doom at this point. Just give up Fox.

 

[psylockolussus]

I prefer if they make a film for the Silver Surfer.