How do you think the X-Men will be introduced into the MCU?

[TheVileOne]

Unless they switch it around later, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch got their powers from Loki's scepter. That's why they wanted to use Wanda's power to destroy the mind stone because they originated from it.

They were successful Hydra experiments.

 

[Iceman]

After re-watching the Avengers just now, I think they have already put subtle hints that Mutants exist in the MCU already. Like how the only one of the heroes the whole world was readily aware of was Iron-Man, and the quote Nick Fury dropped on why Phase 2 was necessary, because "the world is filling up with people who are uncontrollable." And then we actually saw 2 mutants, they just weren't called mutants, in Age of Ultron, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. What if the experiments on them didn't give them their powers, but merely activated their X-Genes? but the Hydra operatives didn't understand what an X-Gene is, so they thought the scepter gave them the powers. This wouldn't even require a retcon, it would just be further expounding on ideas that were laid all the way back in Phase 1.

This is a popular theory and I have zero problem with it.

 

[Chris B]

After re-watching the Avengers just now, I think they have already put subtle hints that Mutants exist in the MCU already. Like how the only one of the heroes the whole world was readily aware of was Iron-Man, and the quote Nick Fury dropped on why Phase 2 was necessary, because "the world is filling up with people who are uncontrollable." And then we actually saw 2 mutants, they just weren't called mutants, in Age of Ultron, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. What if the experiments on them didn't give them their powers, but merely activated their X-Genes? but the Hydra operatives didn't understand what an X-Gene is, so they thought the scepter gave them the powers. This wouldn't even require a retcon, it would just be further expounding on ideas that were laid all the way back in Phase 1.

These are my thoughts as well. They have always alluded to there being other people with powers that we just haven't seen yet. I don't think it would be a huge stretch to say those references were to mutants.

 

[Marvel united]

So are we going with the idea that SHIELD was aware of and were somehow hiding thousands of mutants? Or are we talking about there being relatively few? Because both of these scenarios are completely different.

 

[Raiders]

Neither don’t make any sense

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Introducing mutants has never been the problem. Introducing the long term discrimination causing Professor Xavier to create a school and the anti mutant vigilante groups as well as a governmental crackdown in the MCU is the problem.

 

[Raiders]

Introducing mutants has never been the problem. Introducing the long term discrimination causing Professor Xavier to create a school and the anti mutant vigilante groups as well as a governmental crackdown in the MCU is the problem.

Exactly

 

[Flash525]

After re-watching the Avengers just now, I think they have already put subtle hints that Mutants exist in the MCU already. Like how the only one of the heroes the whole world was readily aware of was Iron-Man, and the quote Nick Fury dropped on why Phase 2 was necessary, because "the world is filling up with people who are uncontrollable." And then we actually saw 2 mutants, they just weren't called mutants, in Age of Ultron, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. What if the experiments on them didn't give them their powers, but merely activated their X-Genes? but the Hydra operatives didn't understand what an X-Gene is, so they thought the scepter gave them the powers. This wouldn't even require a retcon, it would just be further expounding on ideas that were laid all the way back in Phase 1.

You make a very valid case, but then where were the X-Men during any of the Avengers films? Surely if they exist, and especially if Charles exists, he'd be aware of these threats and would send his X-Men to assist? That is unless he had blind faith in the Avengers dealing with the problem themselves. Or maybe, I suppose, he doesn't allow the X-Men to get involved unless it's an X-Men related issue (like Magneto causing trouble somewhere etc).

When you put it the way you did though, it's certainly possible to just slot them in where they're needed.

 

[Flash525]

So are we going with the idea that SHIELD was aware of and were somehow hiding thousands of mutants? Or are we talking about there being relatively few? Because both of these scenarios are completely different.

Shield wouldn't specifically have to hide them; they could just be in their own isolated groups. Think Agents of Shield; specifically with that group of Inhumans (inc Daisy's Mother). They'd just isolated themselves from civilisation. If Charles exists in the MCU, I suppose he could've done the same.

 

[Spider-Fan]

So are we going with the idea that SHIELD was aware of and were somehow hiding thousands of mutants? Or are we talking about there being relatively few? Because both of these scenarios are completely different.

I think it makes more sense if mutants existed in small numbers for a while, but the number of mutants grows into a sizeable number now. Hence why they never came up in the past but matter now.

As for the issue of Xavier. If we operate under him having the school for years, he could have been recruiting others like him, but much like prior example, his student body could have been low. Either this, or make the school new at the start of the movie.

There are options.

 

[Raiders]

Everybody is coming up with these weird scenarios on how to introduce the X-Men.
The MCU has made twenty movies without a mention of mutant"s existence.
There is no viable way to introduce them without an eye rolling responds.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Only for those that lack imagination. Seriously, the X-Men as a comic started at issue #1, in which it had to introduce the concept of mutants into a larger continuity in which there were no mutants. Over 50 years later, no one is rolling their eyes. It is the same exact thing. Again, you're just fooling yourself or are in denial if you think this isn't what is happening.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Everybody is coming up with these weird scenarios on how to introduce the X-Men.
The MCU has made twenty movies without a mention of mutant"s existence.
There is no viable way to introduce them without an eye rolling responds.

It'll be funny when we're all loving MCU X-MEN and you're screaming on your soapbox how it doesn't fit in the continuity that you know you hate.

 

[Marvel united]

I think it makes more sense if mutants existed in small numbers for a while, but the number of mutants grows into a sizeable number now. Hence why they never came up in the past but matter now.

As for the issue of Xavier. If we operate under him having the school for years, he could have been recruiting others like him, but much like prior example, his student body could have been low. Either this, or make the school new at the start of the movie.

There are options.

This is the best way to do it and have it make some semblance of sense. Isolated cases that are few in between, with all of the older mutants living in different parts of the world is easiest way to explain it. This is why Charles Xavier didn't interfere during the battle of New York - he was on the other side of the planet when it was happening.

As for the X-Men themselves, as you know -- I'm not a fan of the "The X-Man/school have been around for 15 years! You just didn't see it until now!" Storytelling Avenue for obvious reasons.

The only way I would accept the X-Men having any prior existence in the MCU is if they firmly established that the X-Men WERE a thing but they disbanded years ago and Xavier's first Class are now in different states, living their lives. Once mutants start showing up - Xavier calls them back to start a new school for the thousands of mutant children who can't control their powers.

Do an adaptation of Wolverine and the X-Men = X-Factor, a "getting the band back together" story that sees the X-Men having to chalk up the rusty use of their powers and reconcile their relationships. A pseudo origin story if you will much like Captain Marvel.

Also, I still want them to be young. So early to mid 20s ala Wolverine and the X-Men.

But please no "The X-Men have been around for nearly 20 years and they've been secretly operating under the radar!"

That's 15+ years of history that has fo be explained.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This is the best way to do it and have it make some semblance of sense. Isolated cases that are few in between, with all of the older mutants living in different parts of the world is easiest way to explain it. This is why Charles Xavier didn't interfere during the battle of New York - he was on the other side of the planet when it was happening.

As for the X-Men themselves, as you know -- I'm not a fan of the "The X-Man/school have been around for 15 years! You just didn't see it until now!" Storytelling Avenue for obvious reasons.

The only way I would accept the X-Men having any prior existence in the MCU is if they firmly established that the X-Men WERE a thing but they disbanded years ago and Xavier's first Class are now in different states, living their lives. Once mutants start showing up - Xavier calls them back to start a new school for the thousands of mutant children who can't control their powers.

Do an adaptation of Wolverine and the X-Men = X-Factor, a "getting the band back together" story that sees the X-Men having to chalk up the rusty use of their powers and reconcile their relationships. A pseudo origin story if you will much like Captain Marvel.

Also, I still want them to be young. So early to mid 20s ala Wolverine and the X-Men.

But please no "The X-Men have been around for nearly 20 years and they've been secretly operating under the radar!"

That's 15+ years of history that has fo be explained.

There you go, a 3rd option! I think this is a 3rd and very viable option. If it were me, I likely would make it where Xavier has been studying the mutants he can find for years, but when the mutant population balloons, he starts recruiting them to his school. That or maybe his research on mutation indicates a balloon in mutants is coming, and he started the school just before it happened to give them sanctuary when it happens. That would likely be my approach, but I don't hate your idea at all if we're doing an already established X-Men.

 

[Marvel united]

There you go, a 3rd option! I think this is a 3rd and very viable option. If it were me, I likely would make it where Xavier has been studying the mutants he can find for years, but when the mutant population balloons, he starts recruiting them to his school. That or maybe his research on mutation indicates a balloon in mutants is coming, and he started the school just before it happened to give them sanctuary when it happens. That would likely be my approach, but I don't hate your idea at all if we're doing an already established X-Men.

I've had the idea for awhile. It's the best way to approach the idea of the core X-Men not being kids when we meet them but also leaving tons of room for growth in future movies. (Scott and Jean for instance rekindle--take their relationship to the next level from what it was when they were kids. Kinda like Peter and MJ in PS4. You'd feel the weight behind it) and you don't have to jump through hoops explaining why the X-Men failed to make their presence known since the early 2000s.

I also like the idea of some of the X-Men members BEING around during the invasion of New York (2018). Not necessarily as X-Men but as mutant bystanders who still have some training memory left from the "glory days". You could show Scott/Jean/or Hank tieing a cloth around their face (to protect their identity) and then casually saving people from falling debris, trapped cars and school buses etc. Mirroring the Avengers from the first movie.

In my mind, the X-Men would have formed in 2012 as a reaction to the Avengers. Much like the O5 of the comics, it could have been Government sponsored and orchestrated by Fury. The project only lasted for a year but in that time frame, Charles helped the First class get a hold of their powers to avoid incidents that would expose them as mutants. (Giving Scott his ruby quartz visor and Warren his corset for instance) Enter 2022, ten years after 'Project X". Mutants are spawning everywhere, around the globe and Charles brings the original team, now in their mid 20s (late for some, like Hank) - back together.

And as for how/why Scott and co were mutants. They could have been seeked out by Charles being one of the few mutants existing on the planet.

 

[Raiders]

Only for those that lack imagination. Seriously, the X-Men as a comic started at issue #1, in which it had to introduce the concept of mutants into a larger continuity in which there were no mutants. Over 50 years later, no one is rolling their eyes. It is the same exact thing. Again, you're just fooling yourself or are in denial if you think this isn't what is happening.

Comic book readers will accept anything, but the general movie audience won’t. I can see the eyes already rolling.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Comic book readers will accept anything, but the general movie audience won’t. I can see the eyes already rolling.

Roll your eyes all you want. It's still happening. Whether you like it or not. Audiences will eat it up. Like they have the rest of the MCU.

 

[WereCoyote]

Comic book readers will accept anything, but the general movie audience won’t. I can see the eyes already rolling.

Comic readers will not just blindly accept things either, hence why the DCEU has bombed.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Agreed. Comic book fans are some of the pickiest fans on the planet.

 

[WereCoyote]

Unless they switch it around later, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch got their powers from Loki's scepter. That's why they wanted to use Wanda's power to destroy the mind stone because they originated from it.

They were successful Hydra experiments.

So you obviously didn't read what I said about this. I said what if the Hydra experiment with Loki's scepter merely activated their X-Genes. Under my theory since Hydra had been inside of Shield, all along, they knew powered people were a thing, and perhaps they even sought out the Pietrov twins because Shield had a file on them and their parentage. It was a spy agency afterall.

So are we going with the idea that SHIELD was aware of and were somehow hiding thousands of mutants? Or are we talking about there being relatively few? Because both of these scenarios are completely different.

Was Shield aware of them, yes, did they know they were mutants, maybe not. Were they hiding them? No, they just were monitoring, ala the Hulk. They weren't hiding the Hulk, they just weren't actively seeking him out until Loki came around, stole the tesseract, and then needed help.

 

[VictusMortuus]

I’m guessing either Endgame or Eternals will have something to do with a sudden growth in mutant population in the MCU, going from maybe a dozen to thousands. Big event happens causing worldwide panic about mutants and Xavier starts recruiting mutants to train them to control their powers.

 

[OB12]

So you obviously didn't read what I said about this. I said what if the Hydra experiment with Loki's scepter merely activated their X-Genes. Under my theory since Hydra had been inside of Shield, all along, they knew powered people were a thing, and perhaps they even sought out the Pietrov twins because Shield had a file on them and their parentage. It was a spy agency afterall.


Was Shield aware of them, yes, did they know they were mutants, maybe not. Were they hiding them? No, they just were monitoring, ala the Hulk. They weren't hiding the Hulk, they just weren't actively seeking him out until Loki came around, stole the tesseract, and then needed help.

Not that I expect this to get acknowledged on film, but this has already been established on Agents of SHIELD. Early in the series, it was mentioned several times that SHIELD kept a list of enhanced individuals. I'd have to go back and listen to the dialogue again, but it didn't sound like there were thousands on this list. So, while AoS may be somewhat flimsy support, it is support nonetheless.

 

[Marvel united]

So you obviously didn't read what I said about this. I said what if the Hydra experiment with Loki's scepter merely activated their X-Genes. Under my theory since Hydra had been inside of Shield, all along, they knew powered people were a thing, and perhaps they even sought out the Pietrov twins because Shield had a file on them and their parentage. It was a spy agency afterall.


Was Shield aware of them, yes, did they know they were mutants, maybe not. Were they hiding them? No, they just were monitoring, ala the Hulk. They weren't hiding the Hulk, they just weren't actively seeking him out until Loki came around, stole the tesseract, and then needed help.

This still doesn't solve the issue of why mutants are not a problem until the first X-Men movie. SHIELD knew about them. Okay, and? They weren't doing anything to hide it. So why hasn't anybody else heard about it? Why aren't Congress introducing discriminatory bills and anti-mutant task-forces? Why aren't mutants dominating the news at this point? In short, why aren't the cogs of the X-Men franchise in full motion by this point If they've always been around as they currenly exist in the comics?

And the mutants are hiding theory does not work unless you turn the X-Men/mutants into Inhumans/Attilan knockoff. I wish people would understand that mutants are not a monolith like Wakanda. They don't exist in one concentrated part of the world. They don't and can't hide because they exist everywhere, around the world. They spawn randomly. This is the entire reason WHY mutants are a problem for mankind in the first place.

 

[WereCoyote]

This still doesn't solve the issue of why mutants are not a problem until the first X-Men movie. SHIELD knew about them. Okay, and? They weren't doing anything to hide it. So why hasn't anybody else heard about it? Why aren't Congress introducing discriminatory bills and anti-mutant task-forces? Why aren't mutants dominating the news at this point? In short, why aren't the cogs of the X-Men franchise in full motion by this point If they've always been around as they currenly exist in the comics?

And the mutants are hiding theory does not work unless you turn the X-Men/mutants into Inhumans/Attilan knockoff. I wish people would understand that mutants are not a monolith like Wakanda. They don't exist in one concentrated part of the world. They don't and can't hide because they exist everywhere, around the world. They spawn randomly. This is the entire reason WHY mutants are a problem for mankind in the first place.

How do we know they haven't been a problem, and that there has been legislation? Just because we haven't seen it on screen, and the Avengers haven't interacted with them, doesn't mean these things couldn't have happened. What if mutants were causing trouble in Canada, while the Avengers were busy in New York with the Chitari? Who is to say Mutants weren't off doing something in another country while the Avengers were in Sokovia dealing with Ultron? Perhaps after the fall of Shield in Winter Soldier, the people that were monitoring mutants were out of the mix. There are lots of ways around why we haven't seen them, and they have dropped hints that they could be there.

Just look at the trailer for Captain Marvel, obviously she and the Skrulls have existed for a long time in the MCU, but no one has ever talked about them or mentioned them, until now. Fury obviously worked with her, and knows how to contact her based off the end credit sequence in Infinity War, and the fact he has both eyes in the trailer.