The Amazing Spider-Man 2 How do you think they will tie-in Venom and Sinister Six?

[Mr. Dent]

Not sure if this is appropriate for TASM2, but it's where the foundation is being laid so I thought it would be fine.

Wondering what you guys think they will do to tie-in these two movies? The way I'm thinking it will go is:

Symbiote suit Spidey, Eddie Brock, and the remaining Sinister Six baddies (Doc Ock and Vulture, along with a completed Goblin serum for Norman) will be introduced in TASM3 and the movie will end in a way that sets up a Venom spin-off featuring Eddie and the villains defeated again and deciding they have to team-up to take down Spider-Man. And after these two films, they will all crossover into TASM4. But I can't imagine what kind of plot will allow for Spider-Man to take on 7 villains at once, or if there will be more going on than just Spider-Man vs. Venom/Sinister Six showdown.

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

I was actually thinking it would be an interesting take for the Sinister Six movie to be from their standpoint still fighting Spider-Man. You wouldn't have Peter Parker at all in the movie. Almost a reverse role of a standard superhero movie. You could avoid paying Andrew Garfield the movie he would be demanding to add a fourth film to his contract.

I really don't think they would do that and it's VERY risky. But It would be something new and fresh. We will have to see how Maleficient does for Disney I suppose.

 

[Mr. Dent]

You could avoid paying Andrew Garfield the movie he would be demanding to add a fourth film to his contract.

I think you're misunderstanding how these things work.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

What if the fourth Spider-Man movie is simply called The Sinister Six and this is exactly what this new movie is going to be. I still don't know how this movie would work out if that wasn't the case.

 

[Mr. Dent]

I don't think that's it. Given when this was announced I'm expecting it to come out in 2017, a year after TASM3 and a year before TASM4.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

I honestly have no idea what form the sinister six film will even take. that said, i believe that they listed the venom movie first in the press release because it is coming out before the S6 spinoff, which leads me to believe that tasm3 will feature the black suit. makes sense if he is out for revenge over a certain someone's death.

now, either tasm3 is actually spider-man vs. the six, or it is rather spider-man vs. green goblin. if it's the former, i see a sinister six spin off being just about the villains, with little to no spider-man at all. audiences will already be familiar with the six from tasm3, and therefore be more likely to want to see them in a spin off.

if it's the latter (spidey vs. green goblin), then i reckon the sinister six film will be like sony's avengers, with spider-man facing six baddies in a big spectacle. it wouldnt make sense for the sinister six movie to have no spider-man in it if he hadn't already fought them first. it'd be a complete waste. the sinister six debut on screen after all this time and no spider-man? hopefully sony aren't this obtuse.

anyway, tasm3 will end with the black suit being exorcised and eddie brock or whoever the host of the venom movie is will gain access to it.

but seriously, we need more info on just what the sinister six movie is.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

So it would be The Sinister Six robbing banks and killing cops for two hours? I just... don't get it. They should just make it the fourth or fifth Spidey film.

Venom can definitely work without Spidey. I have no problem with that one.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Didn't they say that The Amazing Spider-Man 4 would be more than Spider-Man or something? I honestly think that that date is for S6 but they didn't want to announce S6 at that time.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

I don't think that's it. Given when this was announced I'm expecting it to come out in 2017, a year after TASM3 and a year before TASM4.

remember that they said that tasm4 wouldnt just be a spider-man movie? also, the fact they never mention it in the press release makes me think that one of the two spinoffs is actually "tasm4" (which was a placeholder title)

i really hope "tasm4" turns out to be a spider-man vs. sinister six movie. you could completely ignore any civilian parker storyline and just have a film entirely focusing on a particularly hectic day of crime fighting. it'd probably cost like 350 million to make though lol.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

So it would be The Sinister Six robbing banks and killing cops for two hours? I just... don't get it. They should just make it the fourth or fifth Spidey film.

Venom can definitely work without Spidey. I have no problem with that one.

Didn't they say that The Amazing Spider-Man 4 would be more than Spider-Man or something? I honestly think that that date is for S6 but they didn't want to announce S6 at that time.

so much agreement here

 

[Picard Sisko]

Mark Webb said that TASM4 would just be a Spider-Man film, which doesn't necessarily mean it won't have Spider-Man in it. In the press release, does it mention The Amazing Spider-Man 4 at all, or just TASM3, Venom, and S6? I can see things happening a few different ways:

1. Sinister 6 comes out in 2017 after Venom and shows the formation of the team, leading up to their battle with Spider-Man in 2018
2. Sinsiter 6 IS the 2018 film Sony had planned and will be about the S6 fighting Spider-Man (Reverse Avengers)
3. Sinister 6 comes out after The Amazing Spider-Man 3 or 4, AFTER Spidey has fought them in one of the main series' films.
4. Sinister 6 is coming out in 2018 and is an adaption of "Ultimate Six," where Spider-Man was the 6th member.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I know no one likes it when the cat's out of the bag, but I wouldn't mind if Sony gave us a basic outline of where the next few years are headed. It just seems a bit confusing, yet a little fun thinking of what's going on exactly.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I don't know if I want an outline, but just an announcement that confirms a few things:

1- When is the Venom film coming out?
2- Is Spider-Man in the Sinister Six movie?
3- Is the Sinister Six movie coming out in 2018 instead of The Amazing Spider-Man 4, or in addition to it?

 

[Mr. Dent]

Didn't they say that The Amazing Spider-Man 4 would be more than Spider-Man or something? I honestly think that that date is for S6 but they didn't want to announce S6 at that time.

remember that they said that tasm4 wouldnt just be a spider-man movie? also, the fact they never mention it in the press release makes me think that one of the two spinoffs is actually "tasm4" (which was a placeholder title)

i really hope "tasm4" turns out to be a spider-man vs. sinister six movie. you could completely ignore any civilian parker storyline and just have a film entirely focusing on a particularly hectic day of crime fighting. it'd probably cost like 350 million to make though lol.

That's my point. TASM4 is a "crossover" movie that comes out of Venom and the Sinister Six movies. It's not just a Spider-Man film because it's Spider-Man + Sinister Six + Venom. I think the S6 and TASM4 are completely separate things.

I honestly have no idea what form the sinister six film will even take. that said, i believe that they listed the venom movie first in the press release because it is coming out before the S6 spinoff, which leads me to believe that tasm3 will feature the black suit. makes sense if he is out for revenge over a certain someone's death.

now, either tasm3 is actually spider-man vs. the six, or it is rather spider-man vs. green goblin. if it's the former, i see a sinister six spin off being just about the villains, with little to no spider-man at all. audiences will already be familiar with the six from tasm3, and therefore be more likely to want to see them in a spin off.

if it's the latter (spidey vs. green goblin), then i reckon the sinister six film will be like sony's avengers, with spider-man facing six baddies in a big spectacle. it wouldnt make sense for the sinister six movie to have no spider-man in it if he hadn't already fought them first. it'd be a complete waste. the sinister six debut on screen after all this time and no spider-man? hopefully sony aren't this obtuse.

anyway, tasm3 will end with the black suit being exorcised and eddie brock or whoever the host of the venom movie is will gain access to it.

but seriously, we need more info on just what the sinister six movie is.

TASM3 can be Spidey vs. Norman Goblin, Doc Ock, and Vulture (rounding out the remaining Sinister Six).

 

[Mr. Dent]

Mark Webb said that TASM4 would just be a Spider-Man film, which doesn't necessarily mean it won't have Spider-Man in it. In the press release, does it mention The Amazing Spider-Man 4 at all, or just TASM3, Venom, and S6? I can see things happening a few different ways:

1. Sinister 6 comes out in 2017 after Venom and shows the formation of the team, leading up to their battle with Spider-Man in 2018
2. Sinsiter 6 IS the 2018 film Sony had planned and will be about the S6 fighting Spider-Man (Reverse Avengers)
3. Sinister 6 comes out after The Amazing Spider-Man 3 or 4, AFTER Spidey has fought them in one of the main series' films.
4. Sinister 6 is coming out in 2018 and is an adaption of "Ultimate Six," where Spider-Man was the 6th member.

I think it's bolded.

4. Sinister 6 is coming out in 2018 and is an adaption of "Ultimate Six," where Spider-Man was the 6th member.

I can see them sort of doing this because of the line in the trailer of them "having plans for Peter Parker" and such and whatever he has probably ties back into what the Gentleman wants and why he is forming the Sinister Six. That being said, I don't think they will wait to form a complete Sinister Six like the Ultimate comics, which never got a sixth member because Spider-Man never joined.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

That's my point. TASM4 is a "crossover" movie that comes out of Venom and the Sinister Six movies. It's not just a Spider-Man film because it's Spider-Man + Sinister Six + Venom. I think the S6 and TASM4 are completely separate things.

bit confused here. are you saying that there will be a sinister 6 movie, a venom movie, and then a tasm4 movie in 2018 which has spidey, venom, and the sinister 6?

if so, then they would have said so in the press release. they didn't. they only mention tasm3, which means that tasm4 is either the venom movie or the sinister 6 movie.

that was what i was trying to say. but then you said "that's my point", followed by "i think the s6 and tasm4 are completely separate things". so yeah, bit confused sorry!

 

[Mr. Dent]

bit confused here. are you saying that there will be a sinister 6 movie, a venom movie, and then a tasm4 movie in 2018 which has spidey, venom, and the sinister 6?

Yes that's what I'm saying.

if so, then they would have said so in the press release. they didn't. they only mention tasm3, which means that tasm4 is either the venom movie or the sinister 6 movie.

I don't see how you immediately jump to that conclusion, especially since if TASM4 was really Sinister Six they would not have called it that in the first place, they just would have booked that release date. You don't use The Amazing Spider-Man 4 as a placeholder title like that for a movie that will be, you would think, not at all focused on Spider-Man.

Also, maybe they didn't feel the need to potentially spoil plot details of TASM4 by stating that the movies would tie-in to it? I could just as easily say that if Sinister Six was meant to be TASM4 they would have stated that in the press release to clear up confusion about the release date and title of the film. But they didn't. And obviously, if the movie is meant to be a spin-off, it won't be titled The Amazing Spider-Man 4.

that was what i was trying to say. but then you said "that's my point", followed by "i think the s6 and tasm4 are completely separate things". so yeah, bit confused sorry!

My point was that TASM4 is not just a Spider-Man movie, but a Spider-Man + Venom + Sinister Six crossover movie. But the S6 movie itself is separate from TASM4.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

Yes that's what I'm saying.


I don't see how you immediately jump to that conclusion, especially since if TASM4 was really Sinister Six they would not have called it that in the first place, they just would have booked that release date. You don't use The Amazing Spider-Man 4 as a placeholder title like that for a movie that will be, you would think, not at all focused on Spider-Man.

Also, maybe they didn't feel the need to potentially spoil plot details of TASM4 by stating that the movies would tie-in to it? I could just as easily say that if Sinister Six was meant to be TASM4 they would have stated that in the press release to clear up confusion about the release date and title of the film. But they didn't. And obviously, if the movie is meant to be a spin-off, it won't be titled The Amazing Spider-Man 4.


My point was that TASM4 is not just a Spider-Man movie, but a Spider-Man + Venom + Sinister Six crossover movie. But the S6 movie itself is separate from TASM4.

i (and others) think it's very plausible that they wanted the 2018 early may date, but were not ready to announce sinister 6, so plugged in the ol' tasm4 as a placeholder.

you still are accounting for a movie that the press release does not mention. if they are planning a venom, sinister six, then tasm4 (with everyone in it), they would have announced so.

the press release is not solely about the spin off movies. they mention tasm3, but not tasm4? why? makes no sense.

 

[The Joker]

The thoughts of Green Goblin and Doc Ock, the two biggest heavy hitters of Spidey's rogues gallery, being done in one movie along with the Vulture, too, sounds like a terrible cluttered recipe for disaster.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

not that what you are proposing doesn't make sense in terms of a gameplan. it sounds good to me (get to have our cake and eat it too)

but the "not just a spider-man movie" comment + no mention at all of tasm4 in the press release implies that the sinister 6 spin off is the 2018 film. what form the film takes is unknown, but this explanation is simpler (more economical) than attributing another movie altogether to sony's slate.

the press release is confusing, but i don't think it was intentionally holding back cards (the damn thing announces two movies that are years away [beyond 2016])

 

[Repulsor Blast]

The thoughts of Green Goblin and Doc Ock, the two biggest heavy hitters of Spidey's rogues gallery, being done in one movie along with the Vulture, too, sounds like a terrible cluttered recipe for disaster.

we know that the sinister 6 stuff came after the outline of the trilogy was set. we also know rhino was a relatively late addition to tasm2 after giamatti expressed interest in the role on conan. also, he is not in the movie very long, as webb keeps reminding us.

so, i therefore do not think that tasm3 will be spider-man vs. three villains. vulture and doc ock may be introduced, sure, but i think it will be more in line with the trilogy webb had planned by making it just about norman as the green goblin.

tasm2 has three bad guys, but again, rhino has a very minor role and harry goblin is likely more of a foreshadowing/setup for the true GG in tasm3, which justifies his presence in tasm2.

vulture and doc ock in spider-man 3, if they appear in fights, will be very brief like rhino in tasm2 - otherwise, i don't see how webb can keep his trilogy plans intact with so much going on.

 

[SilentWarriorZ]

IMO ,They are possibly either making solo movies for venom and sinister six with different superheros and to get connected to spidey 3-4 with superhero team up spidey movie (eg .like avengers) or simply making spidey 3-4 dedicated to these characters with spidey included .
also what possible story can sinister six can do in one live action movie that too without a spidey team up in it .

 

[Picard Sisko]

The thoughts of Green Goblin and Doc Ock, the two biggest heavy hitters of Spidey's rogues gallery, being done in one movie along with the Vulture, too, sounds like a terrible cluttered recipe for disaster.

I don't think that's going to happen though. Starting with Vulture, he might be introduced the say way as Rhino in TASM2. Just a small role.

Doc Ock probably won't really be introduced or at least become a villain until the Sinister Six movie. At most, they might just introduce the character of Otto Octavious in TASM3.

I think the big, main baddie in TASM3 will be Green Goblin, and then maybe a side villain. But that's it.

 

[darthcoolness3]

set-up to The Venom movie:
1. Have Eddie Brock or Harry Osborn stalk Spider-Man/Peter Parker
2. Symbiote gets made at Oscorp
3. Spidey observes Symbiote
4. Symbiote breaks out its cage and consumes Spidey in its grasp
5. Spidey turns into Symbiote Spidey
6. Rage and Anger from Peter Parker(yelling at Aunt May during dinner)
7. Peter Parker gets grounded by Aunt May
8. Spidey goes to Church Bell
9. Harry Osborn or Eddie Brock stalk Spidey
10. Symbiote comes off and consumes Eddie Brock/Harry Osborn
11. Movie Ends and Credits Roll
12. Post-Credits Scene that sets-up Venom Movie, where Venom is testing out his new powers on a helpless woman, kills the woman by choking her to death with his symbiote web line.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Eddie Brock should be an important character in TASM3 but without turning into Venom. Though I'm afraid if they introduce the symbiote in the third film, we will get more comparisons to Sam Raimi's trilogy.