How long can Clark hide his identity?

[robot]

If something like that happened to your kids, and they swore on their lives that a kid picked up a bus and walked to the shore, would you believe them?

It wouldn't matter... because once superman revealed himself, all those parents that didn't believe would instantly think back on the incident.. the bus didn't just swam out by itself.... it may have been left 'un-explained' or 'case unsolved' in the local sheriff's dept.. but once supe reveals himself as growing up in kansas, the jig's up...

 

[Reel]

I wouldn't think Lana or Whitney especially would know since if Whitney knew what Clark could do from when they were teenagers, then he wouldn't have picked a fight with him to begin with and we don't know what's happened with Lana since she was a teen and whether she still thinks that Clark is "strange/unique".

That wasn't whitney who picked a fight with Clark for starters.

Both will instantly know when they hear about Superman that it is Clark Kent.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

I mean... at the end of the movie he became the famous eyeglassed clark. Now i must assume that nobody seen kal's face, except for few people like the family at the end or the soldiers, then for now it's fine.

But how long could stand this scenario? It's 2013, everywhere you go you can find someone who can catch you on a camera. The net can spread everywhere your image in few seconds.

Byrne's version made Supes uncatchable and not available to be taken on shot... will Goyer follow the same idea in the sequel? I'm afraid this could lead to a dead end. Come on, the world will discover soon Supes as a symbol of heroism and peace, then situations like "come to visit this school" (as can happen for a president...) will be unavoidable.

What do you think?

For all the buzz the movie made about how Clark was taught NOT to use his powers so he wouldn't be exposed, the movie certainly did not care much about Superman's (kind-of) secret identity. Lois found out easily. The Army knows where he is from (Kansas), and those glasses - for a movie concerned to explain everything and make it look plausible - were absolutely useless.

 

[Tony Stark]

They never specifically say, but it seems to me that the film indicates that since several people already know who Clark is, that those people will help aid in the concealment of his identity.

I'm a little confused if we're supposed to know if Perry White knows Clark is Superman or not. Lois never officially revealed the story, but how else could he have gotten in with the Planet?

 

[BH/HHH]

They never specifically say, but it seems to me that the film indicates that since several people already know who Clark is, that those people will help aid in the concealment of his identity.

I'm a little confused if we're supposed to know if Perry White knows Clark is Superman or not. Lois never officially revealed the story, but how else could he have gotten in with the Planet?

I'm sure Perry doesn't know a d he was stood at a distance when Lois kissed Superman

 

[robot]

For all the buzz the movie made about how Clark was taught NOT to use his powers so he wouldn't be exposed, the movie certainly did not care much about Superman's (kind-of) secret identity. Lois found out easily. The Army knows where he is from (Kansas), and those glasses - for a movie concerned to explain everything and make it look plausible - were absolutely useless.

Exactly why the Tornado scene was so obscene to me...

 

[Senator Pleasury]

I'm sure Perry doesn't know a d he was stood at a distance when Lois kissed Superman

Well, we didn't see Perry and Clark together.

 

[BH/HHH]

Well, we didn't see Perry and Clark together.

Yeah but he introduces him to Lombard and Lous and its clear in his demeanour he doesn't know, we'll it was to me.

 

[robot]

Well, we didn't see Perry and Clark together.

Yeah but he introduces him to Lombard and Lous and its clear in his demeanour he doesn't know, we'll it was to me.

It was always a stretch that you can hide your secret identity just by putting on glasses and acting 'differently'... Just look at how difficult for famous people to avoid detection with all their 'disguises'... you think Michael Jackson could evade detection by putting on some glasses?

Superman, arguebly would be even more famous than Michael by a huge margin.. and with today's everyone has a camera phone, there'll be tons and tons of photos of superman, especially since he's saving people on a daily basis...

As much as Goyer/Snyder wanted to ground this new franchise into reality, i think the 'clark disguise' isn't one of them.. that part still requires us audience to just 'play along'...

I really have no problem with that... It's not a big issue for me...

 

[Doc Samson]

The Clark Kent "identity" is probably my biggest gripe about this movie. You can't try to modernize Superman, go so far as to have Lois privy to his true identity fairly early on, but then expect us to believe nobody else would use that same ingenuity to look past a pair of glasses. Especially since his arrival is seen as such a huge news story across the whole world. It just doesn't hold water for me, and personally, I think making Clark wear a true disguise would work in this version.

 

[robot]

The Clark Kent "identity" is probably my biggest gripe about this movie. You can't try to modernize Superman, go so far as to have Lois privy to his true identity fairly early on, but then expect us to believe nobody else would use that same ingenuity to look past a pair of glasses. Especially since his arrival is seen as such a huge news story across the whole world. It just doesn't hold water for me, and personally, I think making Clark wear a true disguise would work in this version.

You have a point.. on the one hand they wanted to ground the movie in reality, then they go and do something totally illogical and not grounded on reality.. though, i must say, i can forgive this one...

I was actually hoping they would have done a better disguise as well..

And if you factor in the fact that Cavill is probably not as good as Reeve in transforming himself into a totally different person, the problem is compounded...

 

[BH/HHH]

It was always a stretch that you can hide your secret identity just by putting on glasses and acting 'differently'... Just look at how difficult for famous people to avoid detection with all their 'disguises'... you think Michael Jackson could evade detection by putting on some glasses?

Superman, arguebly would be even more famous than Michael by a huge margin.. and with today's everyone has a camera phone, there'll be tons and tons of photos of superman, especially since he's saving people on a daily basis...

As much as Goyer/Snyder wanted to ground this new franchise into reality, i think the 'clark disguise' isn't one of them.. that part still requires us audience to just 'play along'...

I really have no problem with that... It's not a big issue for me...

It's no big deal to me, end if the day it's a film about a flying alien, I think I can suspend disbelief for a guy with glasses

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

The Clark Kent "identity" is probably my biggest gripe about this movie. You can't try to modernize Superman, go so far as to have Lois privy to his true identity fairly early on, but then expect us to believe nobody else would use that same ingenuity to look past a pair of glasses. Especially since his arrival is seen as such a huge news story across the whole world. It just doesn't hold water for me, and personally, I think making Clark wear a true disguise would work in this version.

As per Goyer, they plan on going through some "serious story gymnastics" to make the mild-mannered Clark identity work on film. What that means, I do not know. Should be interesting though!

 

[robot]

It's no big deal to me, end if the day it's a film about a flying alien, I think I can suspend disbelief for a guy with glasses

Absolutely.. that's the least of its' problem...

The main problem to fix is:

- better story telling, period!!!
- add back some magic, for goodness sake... (after a dour/upbringing by a father that thought letting children die is ok and letting his own son see him die is ok/moodiness/etc)
- add some superman charm to his character (prob more room to work with in MOS 2)

 

[BH/HHH]

Absolutely.. that's the least of its' problem...

The main problem to fix is:

- better story telling, period!!!
- add back some magic, for goodness sake... (after a dour/upbringing by a father that thought letting children die is ok and letting his own son see him die is ok/moodiness/etc)
- add some superman charm to his character (prob more room to work with in MOS 2)

Well I don't totally agree with you, especially in that last part Cavill oozed charm in this film

 

[robot]

Well I don't totally agree with you, especially in that last part Cavill oozed charm in this film

Which part? The clark kent part? If that was the charm, it's too little too late for this movie...

It'll be his time to 'dazzle' in the next installment, if goyer stop being a dick and give superman back his charm...

 

[BH/HHH]

Which part? The clark kent part? If that was the charm, it's too little too late for this movie...

It'll be his time to 'dazzle' in the next installment, if goyer stop being a dick and give superman back his charm...

There's loads of parts pretty much anytime he talks to Lois

 

[robot]

There's loads of parts pretty much anytime he talks to Lois

Oh? Hmmm.. then, i guess we both see different things... i really didn't think he was very charming at all.. and i thought it was due to the script calling for 'dour vs charm'..

i guess different strokes for different people...

One of my friend found Cavill completely devoid of charm... (and that he was completely one dimensional).

 

[Ultimatehero]

I think the thing people need to realise is I doubt people would even think Superman had a secret identity outside if those already in the know

Sometimes I take my glasses off in a room to blend in and not be spotted and believe it or - often times it works lol. (Being in the peer group that see me on a daily basis in a college class). Glasses are magical because they disguise me in real life too. People aren't fast to jump to the simplest explanation there is, they often over-think things and miss out on the smaller details. Plus, you add in the stumbling Clark Kent and you really throw them for a loop.

 

[robot]

Why would people not think Superman would have a secret identity? Everyone's who's ever read a comic knows that ALL superheroes have secret identities..

The only way people will not think he has a secret identity is if he's always in his suit and they know where he lives (as superman).. if he only appears to save ppl, then vanishes to god knows there, and to assert that people won't automatically assume he has a secret identity is just too much for me to swallow... (remember this movies is suppose to relate to our world, so name me a single person on Earth you know who wound't jump straight to the conclusion that supes would definitely have a secret identity)

 

[Bruce Malone]

They never specifically say, but it seems to me that the film indicates that since several people already know who Clark is, that those people will help aid in the concealment of his identity.

I'm a little confused if we're supposed to know if Perry White knows Clark is Superman or not. Lois never officially revealed the story, but how else could he have gotten in with the Planet?

Goyer said in a podcast not too long ago that perry is likely in on it.

 

[The Guard]

Clark being overlooked as Superman, because no one bothers to look, is half the magic of the secret identity.

Who cares if it's not entirely, completely logical? The filmmakers made a concession to this fact by having Lois Lane know early on, and Perry likely having an inkling as well. Let the mythos have some of its magic. Why must every ounce of joy and mystery be wrung out of concepts simply because "Well, in real life, THIS would happen". Sheesh.

 

[robot]

Clark being overlooked as Superman, because no one bothers to look, is half the magic of the secret identity.

Who cares if it's not entirely, completely logical? The filmmakers made a concession to this fact by having Lois Lane know early on, and Perry likely having an inkling as well. Let the mythos have some of its magic. Why must every ounce of joy and mystery be wrung out of concepts simply because "Well, in real life, THIS would happen". Sheesh.

Because Goyer wrung out all the magic that is superman to begin with..

I don't have a problem with it.. but some do, because Goyer wanted to make this movie believable yet, he then disguises clark with glasses.. it goes against his own grain, so to speak.. and that's the problem many people have with it..

 

[spund]

It's no big deal to me, end if the day it's a film about a flying alien, I think I can suspend disbelief for a guy with glasses

A lot of people use that explanation....that it's a fantasy so you should just accept anything. Like "yeah this huge unbelievable thing happened, so why can't you believe this minor unbelievable thing".

That's a total cop out explanation in my opinion, sorry lol. The thing you have to realize is that only the "alien with super powers" aspect is the fantasy part....but the rest of this world is supposed to be realistic.

This isn't the occasionaly-corny Superman of the 70's, where you can just write off anything to suspension of disbelief. This is the Superman of 2013 where they portray what it would be like to have Superman in the REAL WORLD.

So yes, Superman, Krypton, etc. is where the audience is required to have suspension of disbelief. But as far as everything else, these writers need to do as good a job as they can to make it all believable. They're the ones saying this is supposed to be realistic after all!

 

[robot]

A lot of people use that explanation....that it's a fantasy so you should just accept anything. Like "yeah this huge unbelievable thing happened, so why can't you believe this minor unbelievable thing".

That's a total cop out explanation in my opinion, sorry lol. The thing you have to realize is that only the "alien with super powers" aspect is the fantasy part....but the rest of this world is supposed to be realistic.

This isn't the occasionaly-corny Superman of the 70's, where you can just write off anything to suspension of disbelief. This is the Superman of 2013 where they portray what it would be like to have Superman in the REAL WORLD.

So yes, Superman, Krypton, etc. is where the audience is required to have suspension of disbelief. But as far as everything else, these writers need to do as good a job as they can to make it all believable. They're the ones saying this is supposed to be realistic after all!

Exactly right..

I have no problems with movies being campy, or totally out of whack or illogical so long as that's their premise.. but when they try to sell something as 'realistic' then do a 180 on it, that's when i think many people have a problem with it..

Take Fast 6 for instance.. people were flying around like superman.. it's just absolutely ridiculous.. but then they never tried to be realistic to begin with.. so, we go in for the pure entertainment value...

But after that have been said, i think it's near impossible to write a movie or even book with zero inconsistencies (asimov does the best job of it)... so, a little forgiveness is given here and there... and what bothers some may not bother others.. like the disguise bothers me because i think if they tried a bit harder they could have come up with a better idea, but then it's not going to ruin the show for me..