BvS How should Batman be introduced?

[Uroboric Forms]

We don't know that he will have been retired apart from some silly rumours.

Besides, I like the idea of a Batman who is not always meeting these villains for the first time. I want to see him go up against Joker with years of history behind them, like in the comics.

 

[Denish]

We don't know that he will have been retired apart from some silly rumours.

Besides, I like the idea of a Batman who is not always meeting these villains for the first time. I want to see him go up against Joker with years of history behind them, like in the comics.

Not silly rumors..official statements

Warner Bros. CEO Kevin Tsujihara: “tired and weary and seasoned.”

Zack Snyder: “Ben provides an interesting counter-balance to Henry’s Superman. He has the acting chops to create a layered portrayal of a man who is older and wiser than Clark Kent and bears the scars of a seasoned crime fighter, but retain the charm that the world sees in billionaire Bruce Wayne. I can’t wait to work with him.”

 

[Uroboric Forms]

Not silly rumors..official statements

Warner Bros. CEO Kevin Tsujihara: “tired and weary and seasoned.”

Zack Snyder: “Ben provides an interesting counter-balance to Henry’s Superman. He has the acting chops to create a layered portrayal of a man who is older and wiser than Clark Kent and bears the scars of a seasoned crime fighter, but retain the charm that the world sees in billionaire Bruce Wayne. I can’t wait to work with him.”

...we have a Batman that is already old..that has been retired..I

Tired =/= Retired

 

[Rorschach2012]

I wouldn't mind seeing Bruce in the cave sitting at the Batcomputer, possibly tracking the Kryptonian's recent activity. That could make a good intro scene. Instead of blowing their load immediately. I think it'd be better to save a full fledged Batman scene for later. Maybe they show the two sides of Bruce Wayne (public Bruce and the Bruce in the cave) before they show Batman

 

[Denish]

Tired =/= Retired

Well, maybe not retired, but that doesn't change what I was saying about Batman..

 

[Rorschach2012]

I always saw Batman on JL TAS as older, so I'm really happy that Batman is going to be older in the DC cinematic universe as well. He works well within the team if he's a bit older and wiser

 

[Denish]

What I hope is that they don't go TDK Returns route, with a too old batman, not physically obviously (Ben Affleck is 40ish..) but with the fighting, and everything Batman does..I'd like him to be ready and mature, not struggling and striving doing stuff..

P.s. My dream is to see before I die a "The Long Halloween" adaptation..I love that book, it's unique visual style, the perfect deptiction of Gotham and his rouges..I'd like if Snyder took some of those amazing shots for BvS..

 

[DarkKnight]

What I hope is that they don't go TDK Returns route, with a too old batman, not physically obviously (Ben Affleck is 40ish..) but with the fighting, and everything Batman does..I'd like him to be ready and mature, not struggling and striving doing stuff..

P.s. My dream is to see before I die a "The Long Halloween" adaptation..I love that book, it's unique visual style, the perfect deptiction of Gotham and his rouges..I'd like if Snyder took some of those amazing shots for BvS..

Agreed, part of me still wonders in the back of my mind if Snyder is going link this Batman (since he's "tired, weary and seasoned") to Nolans Batman. like Batfleck's story kinds takes place after the events of Rises and This Superman deal kinda brings him outta retirement. I know it sounds crazy, but it does have me somewhat curious. I highly doubt this to be the case.... but still wonder about it sometimes.

 

[Rorschach2012]

What I hope is that they don't go TDK Returns route, with a too old batman, not physically obviously (Ben Affleck is 40ish..) but with the fighting, and everything Batman does..I'd like him to be ready and mature, not struggling and striving doing stuff..

P.s. My dream is to see before I die a "The Long Halloween" adaptation..I love that book, it's unique visual style, the perfect deptiction of Gotham and his rouges..I'd like if Snyder took some of those amazing shots for BvS..

Dude TDKReturns Batman shows Batman as a pretty vicious fighter. He punches through cars and walls and ****.

That TDKReturns animated movie is so badass. I'd love if Batman fought like that.

And agreed about The Long Halloween. That and Dark Victory are honestly probably my favorite Batman stories. Would love to see some elements adapted from that into live action.
TDK was pretty close to TLH story wise, but not visually.

I'd personally LOVE a TLH/Dark Victory animated feature.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Agreed, part of me still wonders in the back of my mind if Snyder is going link this Batman (since he's "tired, weary and seasoned") to Nolans Batman. like Batfleck's story kinds takes place after the events of Rises and This Superman deal kinda brings him outta retirement. I know it sounds crazy, but it does have me somewhat curious. I highly doubt this to be the case.... but still wonder about it sometimes.

Well i still believe that this story was originally conceived with Bale in mind. What you're saying doesn't sound crazy. I think they only rebooted because Bale wouldn't come back.

 

[Denish]

Agreed, part of me still wonders in the back of my mind if Snyder is going link this Batman (since he's "tired, weary and seasoned") to Nolans Batman. like Batfleck's story kinds takes place after the events of Rises and This Superman deal kinda brings him outta retirement. I know it sounds crazy, but it does have me somewhat curious. I highly doubt this to be the case.... but still wonder about it sometimes.

It won't for sure be linked to Nolan's trilogy..But, without tdkr's ending, or at least with a lot of people knowing about Bruce, and with a well planned path from the beginning of the trilogy, maybe they could have gave a different direction, including it in the DCU project, followed by MoS, BvS....till JL..But it's a good thing that Nolan came in and gave us the trilogy..Now, reboot and go

 

[EssayM]

I do like the idea of him having years of experience behind him. That, to me, is part of Batman's persona: He's confident, he's a professional, he's done this @#$% before. He can stare down psychos like the Joker and not be the least bit freaked out.

As for how to introduce him, I like the idea of maybe seeing him from behind in the Batcave, looking at Superman fighting on the Batcomputer, then later have him show up at the fight with a slow zoom and all that good stuff. Then eventually introduce him as Bruce Wayne, the flippant billionaire.

 

[shauner111]

Well i still believe that this story was originally conceived with Bale in mind. What you're saying doesn't sound crazy. I think they only rebooted because Bale wouldn't come back.

This is a full-on reboot but you're right. Im pretty sure they intended on rebooting Batman in his own solo series again, during the making of TDKR. Then when they were putting the final touches on MOS, Marvels universe blew the **** up. WB wanted a piece of the action and that old JLA script was rubbish. So guess what? They tried getting Bale. And ive been saying the same thing as you, they originally wrote this thing with Bale & JGL in mind to link up with Cavill & Adams. Hence the early 40s Bruce Wayne who hasn't been Batman for a little while but he's still doing detective work + an adult sidekick. They said **** it! Nolan won't let us, so we'll keep that idea but we'll actually make it Dick Grayson and this way Bruce can actually do things in the public. The drone idea was probably added after too. Im sure the new suit and batmobile would have happened whether it was Bale, Affleck or some younger Batman. Shooting in Detroit? Same thing. Gotham was filmed in a few different cities throughout the trilogy, so that means nothing.

 

[bluerayer]

Clark and Lois among the crowd witnessing Lex give a speech at a nighttime fundraiser event. As Lex talks about rebuilding/renovating Metropolis, it cuts to a scene of Batman ruthlessly kicking major ass in Gotham. It goes back and forth to Lex and Batman while the speech bleeds simultaneously through both. You can see that Batman has gone through this before, nonchalantly blocking, dodging, and landing hits.

As the speech nears its end, Batman finishes combat and realizes he has to get to the fundraising in time. He jumps onto the batplane, flies allll the way to Metropolis, ejects off the plane with his skydiving suit, lands on the roof, gets rid of his skydiving suit, fixes his tux as he goes down the elevator,

And then Lex says, "... and please welcome my partner in crime, the one and only, BRUCE WAYNE!" Bruce steps on stage looking all gorgeous and spiffy. End Scene.

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But since he's probably retired already, we may initially see him in the batcave being all obsessive and stuffs.

Intriguing but what happens to the batplane?

 

[Rorschach2012]

Intriguing but what happens to the batplane?

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[TheFlamingCoco]

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Or, I am not sure I could post that scene but if you look at the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the first appearance of Leatherface hits you like a hammer.

It sounds crazy but I would love for Batman to be introduced as if it were a horror movie, jump scare and everything. You want the audience to realize that they would be scared too, so make that first appearance a scene they will remember. Not some "oooooh how cool" entrance but a "**** I just jumped" kind of entrance.

I think Michael Myers in the Halloween series of movies has had a lot of shocking entrances. I'd like something along those lines.

TBH, I think that should be the ONLY approach for a Batman intro.
In past Batman movies, one felt like an observer in a sidecar with Batman, rather than a criminal experiencing him for the first time. And yes, I include Begins in that.

Frankly, that scene plays out like a dark comedy, and it's actually pretty fun to watch. Falcone talks about "the secrets of scary people" while various criminals are being taken out one by one. It's all a giant set up to the epic, but predictable punchline "I'm Batman."

Okay, I still think Begins is the best directed of the Nolan movies, even with its flaws in writing and action.

But Affleck has the fan majority rallied against him, wishing him to fail. It doesn't demand a scene on par with other Batman movies. It needs a scene that apes the early appearances of such a character.

Having Batman play the part of a non-deadly slasher with NO set-up whatsoever would play a big part in that.

I think a great scene in my head would be a sting operation with a detective conversing with a bunch of drug dealers. A drug dealer notices she's wired with a mic, and points a gun at her, which gets taken out by a Batarang.
He then looks to where he thinks the batarang was thrown from, and gets caught by the Bat Bola (which is thrown by above).

He says "Who..are?"
To which Batman just points at his embelm, and vanishes.

Or if they wanted to give him a supernatural vibe, have him foil a high speed car chase, crashing straight into the windshield (jumpscare) and push the driver and passengers against the car, using the environment as a weapon while tearing off the ignition wires with his grappling hooks. Then having him rescue the criminals before they fall over an overpass would be the best way to show the duality of darkness and brutality and heroic character. Straight-up TAS stuff, but more primal

People would both believe Ben as Batman, and invest in his Wayne later on, having seen what he could do in the suit. And a lot of it could just be a stuntman :P

 

[bluerayer]

autopilot

Ah, see now that makes sense.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Bruce Wayne is in Metropolis attending an event held by Lex, that Lois and Clark are reporting on. An explosion is heard while Clark is trying to introduce himself to Bruce. Clark says "I better check this out... for a... story." (appearing to audience that he wants to leave for purpose of helping, but is trying to cover that up) and Bruce says "I'm gonna make sure the police are on their way." Bruce quickly changes into his "suit", and Batman appears on the scene. He knocks a few guys down that were trying to run away. Superman chimes in "That's not the way we do things around here. We hand them over to the authorities, and that is it." Batman responds "Alright boyscout, you take care of that part." and he throws another guy against a dumpster. Batman reaches into belt and throws a small device onto the ground. Smoke engulfs the scene, and Superman turns around and waves the smoke away. Batman disappeared completely, so Superman uses his x-ray vision and looks around. He can't see where he went to. He makes a somewhat frustrated face, and the cops arrive on the scene.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Split screen show him and Supes saving people in their cities.

 

[gugumugats]

Split screen show him and Supes saving people in their cities.

Or a voiceover by Lois Lane reading an article out loud and describing Superman's characteristics only to be showing a scene of Batman kicking ass. Or vice versa to contrast/compare the World's Finest.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Split screen show him and Supes saving people in their cities.

That'd be nice. Though I want a really sinister Batman opening

 

[Bigjxxx]

Another idea:

The audio of Zod's message plays over the opening logos.
Transition to Bruce sitting in the batcave alone, in front of the batcomputer.
He's watching the video, gets up out of his seat and we get a full suit up scene.
He swishes his cape and the scene ends.

That would work if you don't show Bruce's face, mask, or even have him completely silent.

 

[Bigjxxx]

There are two ways of doing it.

Bruce Wayne.

Alfred answers the phone and calls for Bruce. Bruce's face is not shown within the first 10 ten mins.


Batman.

Batman should be introduced as horror/spooky. Close to how the killers from Strangers were introduced.

 

[-Nam rorriM-]

As long as they don't have a big bat family in this, personally it's one of the weakest writing sides of batman, because it cheapens his reasons to join justice league, i can go as far as nightwing, because everyone needs a failed attempt at a protege, and oracle, what with helping tech side. I want a strong lone batman! That doesn't need kids flick clacking around him.

So my answer is yes, an introduction in the cave sounds good, whoever mentioned it, simply because it's prolonging the awesomeness. Perhaps even show Alfred, and nightwing but have Bruce sitting in half shodow, pouring over his computer, with hollow eyes

 

[-Nam rorriM-]

Batman should be introduced as horror/spooky.

I'd also like that, it shows a complete difference in approach to Clark, gimme batman breaking arms over a roof top whilst slowly making his way to cobblepot or something, I know they said no batman villains, but how cool would it be if it were only for ten mins, just to show he's got history at least.